I'm getting more sour ...

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

I know how you feel... the toxicity of a large portion of the player base means I now refuse to party with anyone other than my friends and family. Yes that means I've basically hit a roadblock story wise and that it means I'll never have BiS gear or never do endgame, but not using DF/PF/roulette farming etc is a small price to pay to securing my own sanity and enjoyment in this game. Especially this ridiculous and virulent 'lolPLD' mentality going around at the moment. *sighs sadly*

As much as I want to be the epitome of this trope, more and more I find myself descending into this one instead. :(

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

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Ignore Chat and do not help DPS which would like to have aggro while you are still in trash. They will learn it or kick you... which is ok as you can enter a dungeon much more quicker.
Had also a very "social" healer on the weekend:
Lv 51 dungeon (do not know the english name) a mate of my guild was running with me and switched to the ghost suite from halloween. I had to laugh so hard that I failed my skills and movement and we wiped on first trash.
We both laugh and from this point everything was smooth (no aggro lose, no wipes) beside of one thing: Healing.
Right before the first boss the healer tried to kick me with the notice: Eat to much dmg. I checked his equip and he was running with Lv 41 equip in that dungeon... sure only two parts but this was dropping the healing so much I was not beliving he was trying to kick me.
After I explained him he can buy iLvl 115 EQ in Ishgard which is way better then his current EQ his yelled: BUT NOT IN HQ!
So I explained him once again that even nonHQ is better then his current piece of crap.

Long story short: Kicked him and succesfully finished the dungeon with the next healer without any stress.

Every role has its issues :eek:

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I know how you feel... the toxicity of a large portion of the player base means I now refuse to party with anyone other than my friends and family. Yes that means I've basically hit a roadblock story wise and that it means I'll never have BiS gear or never do endgame, but not using DF/PF/roulette farming etc is a small price to pay to securing my own sanity and enjoyment in this game. Especially this ridiculous and virulent 'lolPLD' mentality going around at the moment. *sighs sadly*

As much as I want to be the epitome of this trope, more and more I find myself descending into this one instead. :(

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That sour knight got me hah.

Sadly I don't really have a group of friends or a FC to run with as of late so I'm stuck with running DF for most anything. I generally just stay quiet to avoid said toxic players, no reason to add fuel to the fire.

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

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Here Here buddy!

When it goes smoothly you feel like a one man army, but the DPS that don't think hitting the same enemy as you would be prudent and the other PT members "knowing better than you" and pulling extra groups in when you are not comfortable, the healers running for a chest instead of following you and healing.

They ruin it for me sometimes and make me rage on to a DPS. Stay the course, remember they will always need a tank...

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Originally Posted by pikster

Here Here buddy!

When it goes smoothly you feel like a one man army, but the DPS that don't think hitting the same enemy as you would be prudent and the other PT members "knowing better than you" and pulling extra groups in when you are not comfortable, the healers running for a chest instead of following you and healing.

They ruin it for me sometimes and make me rage on to a DPS. Stay the course, remember they will always need a tank...

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but did you die? :p

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

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I know the feeling I main multiple jobs as a tank is find ppl can't attack marked or other pull. As a healer tanks run ahead without buffs and not spected right same as healers,dps the problem is that ppl don't look nor online to figure what stats to put points and they don't read their skills and put in right order and they fail miserably and it gets to the point I just leave and waste 30 min of my time

hahaha , yeah it happens to me too when i tank for a while, but i haven tanked anything in HW

Now i usually brd when raiding and heal on my sch on DF ,and i have my share of "bad dps" than make me want to punch lalas , and the tanks that dont want to use CDs , and u are there healing like mad , sweating and praying the twelve for an adloquium crit to have some breathing room :P

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

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It's just tank-rage settling in. Don't let it bother you. As a healer, I normally just shake my head in awe and amazement when people do things to kill themselves or when a party falls apart. I care, but I don't throw myself into the line of fire.

As a tank, I end up cursing like a sailor. It just makes you watch your party and consider who they are and what they're doing that much more. It'll help you a lot when/if you get into a static or Savage content.

What stresses me out is the I195 bards that pull extra mobs in a dungeon. And even knowing we have a i195 blm/smn in the group, don't use foes a single time(except for boss's, yay?). It's like ok.. I can handle that many mobs, but the healer gonna run out of mp, if you don't kill everything fast. smh

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

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What happened? I've been doing experts most days and did Alex less than perfect and had no issue - and I forgot shield oath a few times in roulette.

You are tanking as DRK? Try this combo when you first pull pack.

Unleash -> Unleash -> Unleash -> Blood Price -> Unleash -> Unleash -> Unleash -> AFK for snack -> Hit the Bathroom -> Come back and pull next set of trash

Here Here Here!

Im one of the dps (ninja especially) who takes a 2nd trashmobs aggro and kills him, while the other dps kills the first trashmob. Usually the heal is able to heal both the tank and me.

And as heal (whitemage) i often run away to loot chests. But only if i know that the tank can handle the 5 seconds or more not getting heals other than hots.

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Originally Posted by Drako

What stresses me out is the I195 bards that pull extra mobs in a dungeon. And even knowing we have a i195 blm/smn in the group, don't use foes a single time(except for boss's, yay?). It's like ok.. I can handle that many mobs, but the healer gonna run out of mp, if you don't kill everything fast. smh

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Good grief, I can't stand it when DPS pull extra mobs! The tank knows what he/she can handle. They don't need extra "help."

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

The more I tank. I know the best thing is to probably move onto a dps or healing job but I love tanking.

I wish people would just consider what they're doing before they do it. Tanking isn't stressful, it's the people you party with that make it stressful.

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Bottom line: It's a game. You just gotta learn not to care so much about other people's opinions.

As long as you are doing your best and are open to constructive criticism when you make a mistake, you are fine and don't need to justify yourself beyond that.

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Originally Posted by Hypa

Good grief, I can't stand it when DPS pull extra mobs! The tank knows what he/she can handle. They don't need extra "help."

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I like to do this with my Titan egi. In certain level brackets, and especially if you're sync-capped on gear, he outperforms most of the tanks I get saddled with in survivability and enmity generation. I've managed to dissolve quite a few parties who were simply outraged that it worked, even on bosses.

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Originally Posted by Yeldir

I like to do this with my Titan egi. In certain level brackets, and especially if you're sync-capped on gear, he outperforms most of the tanks I get saddled with in survivability and enmity generation. I've managed to dissolve quite a few parties who were simply outraged that it worked, even on bosses.

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Thank jebus I haven't been unlucky enough to get df'ed with you.

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Originally Posted by Yeldir

I like to do this with my Titan egi. In certain level brackets, and especially if you're sync-capped on gear, he outperforms most of the tanks I get saddled with in survivability and enmity generation. I've managed to dissolve quite a few parties who were simply outraged that it worked, even on bosses.

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#votekicked

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Originally Posted by Hypa

Good grief, I can't stand it when DPS pull extra mobs! The tank knows what he/she can handle. They don't need extra "help."

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If the group survives the extra pull than this can't have really been true. Sounds like the poster was just talking about ripping hate, though.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

#votekicked

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Ha! I usually go with a healer from my FC - can duo any of the 4-man this way, really. I've yet to have a tank be like "haha wow *puts on dps gear*", it's always rage. Why do you think that is? It's good to have a sense of humor, right?

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

If the group survives the extra pull than this can't have really been true. Sounds like the poster was just talking about ripping hate, though.

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Which I can agree with, however most times it't happened with me it's been with a newer tank who's getting used to the dungeon. I did Brayflox HM with a fresh 50 and a monk was running ahead trying to aggro everything. The run went ridiculously long.

welcome to tanking in mmorpgs where everything is your fault no matter what you do. it only gets worst from here on out till that get you so fed up with other players that u become cold and jaded towards everyone thats in your pug.

singed, a fellow tank over years of mmorpgs

I've never run into a single party problem Tanking as Paladin from 2.0 to 3.0. Compliments, commendations, the usual. However, ever since this "inferior Paladin" meta began people are a lot more vocal. Even when nothing goes wrong they feel the need to voice their strange opinions. Some recent happenings:


DRG: "Why are you in Sword Oath (Expert Roulette bosses)? SMH. Now watch as I pull hate." -Never lost hate

BRD: "Why are you wearing full Slaying / Penta-Melded Slaying accessories? SMH." -Never dropped below 50% HP. Did more DPS than BRD.

AST: "Stop standing at the edge; you'll be knocked off!" -Nothing happens (Tempered Will / Hallowed Ground). BRD falls off.

NIN: "Pulled four bee's. LOL. GG." -Nothing happens on Final Stings (Dancing between Shield Swipe / Shield Bash)

DRK: "LOL PLD in Alex Savage" -Finds out I'm two turns ahead of him


Calm down. Relax. Deep breaths. I'm not going to let you die just because you've got an "lolPld" bible in your pocket. Maybe...

Eh, I wouldn't move to a healing class, it's just as bad, if not worse.

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Originally Posted by Incatasi

Eh, I wouldn't move to a healing class, it's just as bad, if not worse.

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This. The second you switch to healer, the DF windowlickers will immediately beeline to the nearest AoE.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

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I wish I could give you more than one like. You are a true PLD.

When life gives you sourness and salt, make margaritas.

I've found that if I just say "Hi, this is my first time tanking this" at the start of a dungeon, people tend to be pretty relaxed and helpful.

Although I really wish that people would run TO me instead of away from me if I lose aggro on something, because trying to chase them down to get it back makes everything a lot harder...

I try to turn any sour DF runs into a fun one. I had one where the bard decided to pull the first group of adds in fractal before I was ready (I like to wait till the healer has a decent amount of MP for reasons.) Anyway, he's getting destroyed, the healer healing him is getting destroyed, the other DPS is getting destroyed, I'm just standing there. After everyone dies and the adds leave me alone cause I didn't attack any I just say into chat "I wasn't ready." some lols were had.

Anyway, point is try to turn a negative into a positive.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

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Take my like. As a PLD main myself, I approve of this post. It's sad to see that the one thing I feared most about introducing a 3rd tank to the line up has come true though. The "lolPLD" hate is getting a bit out of hand these days.

As for the thread topic itself, I too am sadly becoming more sour (if that's even possible considering the stance I already had on MMO communities before I even joined this game) over time. As the first reply to this thread even says... while I'd like to be a Knight in Shining Armor... I've become more of a Knight in Sour Armor instead. (lol, them TV trope links) I still Tank because DF is absurdly low on willing players to Tank in DF, but again, I can't blame Tank players for avoiding DF like the plague either.

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Originally Posted by Reila_Circus

I try to turn any sour DF runs into a fun one. I had one where the bard decided to pull the first group of adds in fractal before I was ready (I like to wait till the healer has a decent amount of MP for reasons.) Anyway, he's getting destroyed, the healer healing him is getting destroyed, the other DPS is getting destroyed, I'm just standing there. After everyone dies and the adds leave me alone cause I didn't attack any I just say into chat "I wasn't ready." some lols were had.

Anyway, point is try to turn a negative into a positive.

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I still don't get where you people find those toxic players.
In the last 3 months I have seen ONE toxic player. ONE. And that was in A1N after the tanks failed to communicate whom to provoke.
Even when we wiped 5 times on Bismarck HM yesterday because DPS was horrible, nobody insulted anyone, sure, two people eventually left and we abandoned, but still, there was no toxicity.
When a tank in ~i150 in Neverreap pulled groups one by one despite having me as a i191 healer, a BRD and a SMN, he just got asked whether he could pull more, and while he was scared of it because of his lacking equip, he did, and we cleared pretty swiftly.

So yeah... Where the hell do you find those people?

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

I still don't get where you people find those toxic players.
In the last 3 months I have seen ONE toxic player. ONE. And that was in A1N after the tanks failed to communicate whom to provoke.
Even when we wiped 5 times on Bismarck HM yesterday because DPS was horrible, nobody insulted anyone, sure, two people eventually left and we abandoned, but still, there was no toxicity.
When a tank in ~i150 in Neverreap pulled groups one by one despite having me as a i191 healer, a BRD and a SMN, he just got asked whether he could pull more, and while he was scared of it because of his lacking equip, he did, and we cleared pretty swiftly.

So yeah... Where the hell do you find those people?

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The way I look at it, it's essentially like RNG. Even if you rarely ever fail a 95% success chance gather, it doesn't mean some poor sap somewhere... *cough*... hasn't encountered multiple 5% failures consecutively. Multiple 5/6 failed gathering attempts at 95% success chance will forever be stained in my hatred of RNG with this game. So even if you rarely ever meet one, it doesn't mean frequent encounters don't happen to someone. These horrid players are out there and someones gotta happen upon them.

Sour? Lol.

Yhoiryo, you have all my sympathy, but even being a DPS has gotten too stressful in this game. Some assorted comments from my latest dungeon runs, every one of which went like a breeze:

"Monk, are you playing on an abacus?" (when I lamented a lag spike)
"Monk, why aren't you doing the positionals?" but also "Monk, why don't you spam your AOEs?" (I do both depending on the context)
"Monk, your DPS is almost nothing." (WHUT? Then how the heck do I get all that aggro? With Second Wind?)
And simply: "You are the worst monk I ever seen." (Hardly believable, I equip monk gear at least, and do a bit more than spamming Bootshine.)

Notice that NOBODY EVER SAYS ANYTHING save that kind of nasty comments.

So, folks, I've had enough for now. Good game, but noxious community, worsened by various aspects of the gameplay. I play to try and relax, not to get pissed off all the time. Sorry snotcases, you'll have to wipe your snot by yourselves now, but it's back to WoW for me. There I can load a legal DPS meter and show my numbers to the occasional jerk.
They shut up then.

P.S.
In WoW, people usually call me "Goodberry" or "Good" or "Berry", not "rogue". :P

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Originally Posted by pikster

Here Here buddy!

When it goes smoothly you feel like a one man army, but the DPS that don't think hitting the same enemy as you would be prudent and the other PT members "knowing better than you" and pulling extra groups in when you are not comfortable, the healers running for a chest instead of following you and healing.

They ruin it for me sometimes and make me rage on to a DPS. Stay the course, remember they will always need a tank...

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The best part for me was yesterday. A healer decided that he wanted to keep pulling mobs ahead of me. It was my first time tanking the dungeon, and i had said so at the start. I asked him to stop. He said i was wasting his time. So the next batch he pulled, i let him die and the rest of us. I then said "Now it is you that is wasting our time"
Final boss, at 14% he stops healing me and lets me die so i don't get the Bonus XP.
Small price to pay. Would love to add players in dungeons to blacklist that way i never get queued with them again like in WoW.

Thanks everyone hah, I don't have a hard time as a tank it's just the little things that I wish the other people did well I'm tanking that kind of irk me as of late.
I'm sure it'll wear off soon enough but for me I can feel when a parties going to be good and when they're going to be bad just by how the peoples actions are in the first few seconds.

Either way I just wanted to get it out there that tanks are people to, not just meat shields.

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

I just wanted to get it out there that tanks are people to, not just meat shields.

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Say that to the Pallys that have their first "Tankless Job" achievement.