So they've been saying they want to fix TT make it more accessible. The solution they stated was to "Make NPC's easier to beat."
Well that would be swell if that were the issue. True some NPC's are stupidly hard to beat with broken mechanics (Yellow moon having ONLY high level cards except Glaidecat, Random, Order, Ascension/Descension) but I have beaten YM over a hundred times trying to get a TWO star card from her...
The results? My ENTIRE Free Company doesn't have Yugiri's card. It's a TWO star card! Raise Card Drop rates, it's as simple as that really.
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09-25-2015, 01:56 AMValaskaFix to TT
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09-26-2015, 03:07 PMNel_Celestine
Higher Difficulty should equal higher drop rates.
Lower difficulty should be lower drop rates.
Rather simple when you consider it that way.
High Difficulty with Low Drop rates = Frustation -
09-26-2015, 04:15 PMdementiondrivei can get behind that set up. some really are fusterating to even play with going 9 matches straight either losing or tie and only 1-2 wins before going back to the 10+ tie/lose again matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine
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09-26-2015, 07:13 PMValaskaI can agree with that too, it would be a great system as long as they gauge their NPC difficulties properly. Either way I don't think dumbing down the game is a great solution in of itself, but yours is more than fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine
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09-28-2015, 08:40 AMMaikeru3.0 Tataru, I hate her so much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine
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09-29-2015, 01:24 AMrandysquirrel
I don't know. Maybe my view is slightly biased, as I managed to get all the npc drops. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't impossible either.
Whilst I do agree it seems a bit odd that a 2-star card be as hard (or harder) to get than a 3-star card, outside of the random rule you are very unlikely to use the Yugiri card... the ONLY reason to get the card is the for the challenge of actually getting it, it's not like it's particularly good, or needed. The only people that want it are completionists, like myself, and if they are too readily available it takes away the fun of actually trying to get the full set. Just my opinion. I still have a few cards left to go, the only one of which being a challenge is the 1m MGP one. the others are plat pack drops, which seem to elude me, but they are just random drops rather than something I can really affect -
09-29-2015, 03:02 AMLollie
I'm only missing 3 cards so I may be a bit biased. The frutration I see with the new npcs is the random rule and their small card pool, if their card pool was doubled it would be a bit more bareable.
Payouts seemed in line with 3* 2.55 cards across the board, sure there were a few that would take a hundred wins to get. Most of the npc cards were gotten under 50 wins though. Your win rate is going to be much lower on average when you cant pick your cards so that adds to play count also.
Most of the random npcs are beatable by flip baiting also due to the content and design of their decks. I do not off hand remember all the strats but for instance tataru with arguably the hardest deck to beat in 3.0 can be beaten 40% with a 1-2* deck playing a zigzag bottom left to top right.
Bismark has been the biggest stumbling block in my experience. -
09-29-2015, 10:18 AMBARDS_ARROW
Increase TT card drops through out the board.
Increase the MGP you can earn for trading in doubles -- thus giving people a chance to get a little more scratch to spend on card packs (if that's what they prefer instead of playing/farming NCPs.
OR allow people to trade double cards. Only today I was running WoD with my fc and my friend who happens to tank mainly won the card on 2 occasions. TWO.
Maybe make the "timed" NPC's a little more notable? Not everyone is going to run around with a off game app/site that has Eorzea times on it.
That's just some of the things I can think of that would help with TT. -
09-29-2015, 02:10 PMValaskaYeah Yellow moon etc having such a tiny pool of cards that are absolutely bonanzas and tataru etc... Its silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lollie
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10-03-2015, 03:05 PMAlex_Lenderson
Low drop rates in general are a terrible idea. It turns something fun into frustration.
I'm find with having hard difficulty as long as isn't artificial 'random' difficulty. -
10-05-2015, 01:55 AMMaikeru
After insisting over and over, I've got both Firion and Lightning from Tataru. Finally completing all the NPC drops. From dungeons/trials, I'm only missing Bismarck. The HM is being super evil, I lost count on how many times I've ran it. Extreme... nobody farms that. :( Welp, it's matter of patience. It will eventually drop.
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10-06-2015, 07:41 AMCetonis
Increased drop rates would do wonders for TT participation I think. It's not so much an issue of "it's too hard for dedicated people to fill their collection", as it is a problem of "it's so grindy that very few players care to bother working on their TT collection at all".
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10-06-2015, 04:16 PMValaskaYeah any way to ease absolute grind that it has is what they need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetonis
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10-11-2015, 02:40 AMBARDS_ARROWThis! I know very few people interested in the game in my little corner of Eorzea :/ mostly because of the grinding and poor RNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetonis
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10-11-2015, 01:50 PMServerCollaps
dont know, I'd all new cards after 2 weeks after patch by just playing some windows per npc
afterwards I was bored for 4 months because there was nothing tt related to do anymore. I wish they would have been rarer to bind me longer to the game -
10-12-2015, 12:46 AMNel_CelestineNot everyone has insanely good luck with card drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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10-12-2015, 01:30 AMServerCollapsI wouldnt call it insanely luckQuote:
Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine
whats the point of getting all npc cards at day 1 when the patch hits and beeing bored for the next 6 months?
I prefer having 10 cards with gaius drop rate over beeing done with the patch during the first week and start "theres nothing to do ig" topics 10 times per week -
10-12-2015, 05:50 AMNel_CelestineIf you got every card in two weeks, then yes, I call that insane luck. It took me nearly 3 days at 6-8hr a day to get several of the 3 star cards. 2 days of 8hr to get both from Mogmill. etc etc. So either quite a few of us are on the 'really bad side' of RNG or you are on the 'really damn lucky' side. That median needs to be adjusted slightly. Higher difficulty should mean higher drop rate. period.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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10-13-2015, 08:17 AMScalizorYeah, because grinding NPCs like Tataru with a Gaius drop rate is fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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10-13-2015, 05:04 PMServerCollapsI got 3 lightning and 2 firion cards from plat packs, maybe you should try the tournamentQuote:
Originally Posted by Scalizor
and yes, I think its fun and it makes the feeling when you finally win a card even better -
10-13-2015, 06:46 PMScalizorI got Cecil and Nanamo from about 20 packs, the rest were 4-star cards. RNG, son. You having good luck doesn't mean TT is in a good place right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
The feeling I get when I'm done farming a NPC card after a brain-melting grind is the joy of NEVER, EVER having to duel that NPC again. Same thing goes for certain trial/dungeon cards, and yes, Terra, I'm looking at you. 400 clears for a single card. I know people who are sitting on 600+ and still didn't get it. But yeah, running a trial 24/7 must be fun.
Getting 1000+ wins out of ~5000 games on a NPC whose rules are Random and Chaos and not getting absolutely anything is fun too. Oh, wait, you get MGP! MGP you spend on gold packs to get absolutely nothing! That's fun too! -
10-13-2015, 08:50 PMServerCollapsthen dont buy gold packs if it frustrates you? get cloud, fenrir, or whatever. You can spend about 3m mgp on different stuff without even starting to touch gold packsQuote:
Originally Posted by Scalizor
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10-13-2015, 10:39 PMScalizorThat's the typical "if you don't like it, don't watch it" fallacy. I want the Zidane card because I want all 100 cards, because I'm a card hunter/collector/whatever, but I don't want to spend all my hard-earned MGP to get absolutely nothing thanks to the heavy influence of RNG. Cloud costs 1m MGP? No problem, even though the grind is painful it's guaranteed that once I save up 1m MGP I'll have it. Zidane and WoL, on the other hand, can take either 2 gold packs or a shitload of MGP to get. That's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
It also seems like you decided to skip the rest of my post. Should I stop doing anything I don't like instead of giving constructive feedback on a broken system to —with some luck— have SE listen to us and make some changes? -
10-14-2015, 12:28 AMServerCollaps
it took me 50 wod runs to get my first onion knight card, which is more time consuming then 400x dragons neck and do you see me cry a river? One time you have luck with something, another time you dont
rng is what motivates people because you can always be the winner
I'm paying for the game to play it and not to be done with the content after 1 week of casual play -
10-14-2015, 01:07 PMMilesSaintboroguh
Just because it's the way it is doesn't mean you have to "deal with it". I think we're all entitled to complain every now and then, especially when some NPCs have BS rules during card games.
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10-14-2015, 09:24 PMNel_CelestineExactly. It seems that ServerCollaps is only one at this time on this section that is flat out defending the current system. Please note not a single person on -any- of the topics here as far as I am aware have asked to make Triple Triad something -super- easy to complete. But look at things this way, if we hadn't said something, how many of us would have even had a -CHANCE- at the Tournament prize cards if we had just accepted the system as is?Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
We are trying to think of ways and offer possible solutions and feedback regarding a system that many of us feel is broken or too heavy handed with the RNG. I'm not saying your feedback is not needed as well, but just going "I got them all in two weeks" means the system is fine while others are -STILL- trying to get cards is like ATMA all over again.
Perhaps that comparison will help explain why we are trying to provide feedback. -
10-14-2015, 11:16 PMMilesSaintboroguh
Don't forget the Atma haves and have nots where they were in the SAME EXACT ARGUMENT:
"Oh i got mine in a few weeks, it ain't as bad as you claim. RNG is RNG."
"I been trying for months to get my Atmas and it's no longer fun. Pure RNG isn't good." -
10-14-2015, 11:42 PMScalizorQuote of the month. Why'd anyone feel motivated by RNG? Okay, there's RNG on Indolent Imperial and getting the Gaius card takes time, but he's easy to play against. It's not fun but at least you're just farming with a 100% (or close to) win rate. In the end it's all about what Nel said on the first page:Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
That's why Onion Knight has a higher drop rate than Terra/Bartz; it's not difficult but the runs take way more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine
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10-15-2015, 02:58 AMServerCollapsthats how casinos workQuote:
Originally Posted by Scalizor
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10-15-2015, 03:10 AMScalizorSo you're okay with this game being a casino. Sorry, but you're alone on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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10-15-2015, 03:21 AMDotsusama
For this reason, I like the Triple Triad game they have in the FF Portal app. If I win a match, I can choose which of the opponent's cards to add to my collection. Mind you, they have nearly 400 cards and the NPC has to USE the card in order for it to be available upon victory. This also means they have many decks per NPC and they do have some decks they use rarely. So you have to play them over and over again to get them to use the card, then actually win that match, to get what you want. If there are 4-5 cards in that same rare deck, it's going to take a while.
Mind you that you're also limited to 5 matches in a row that refresh at a rate of 30 minutes per match unless you buy more, so that's what keeps me from farming all cards in a couple of days. Perhaps some balance of this could be worked in. The timers on NPCs does this, to an extent, but mostly it's just frustrating because if you can only play a short time each day, and that NPC window is closed, you're beyond out of luck. -
10-16-2015, 01:14 AMScalizorYeah, that's how it used to be in FFVIII. Good ol' times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dotsusama
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10-21-2015, 11:31 AMMaikeru
A lot of hard work here. :( I've got 98/100 cards. Cloud will be a pure grind. Tidus I can win a tourney or be extremely lucky with RNG. Almost there. I hope they don't include more cards from boosters. God, it's awful. Just... let me kill the same NPC over and over... but no... more... booster packs...