Please buff the pvp ranged LB.

the ranged LB in pvp is such garbage. It has so many issues that make ranged damage dealers not even consider using it. A lot of this applies to PvE as well but that's not my focus right now.

First issue: aiming. Having to have a target makes it really hard to aim the LB where you want it to go, as your initial target may move and you have to adjust to get maximum effectiveness out of the LB which can be very difficult with a constantly moving target. It's even worse for a controller user as targeting is terrible and usually ends up targeting something behind you rather than what you're looking at. It would be much better if the LB had a small target circle (like the one for placing a pet) and the LB will fire in a line from you in the direction that you placed the circle.

Second issue: speed. The LB goes off sooo slowly, for Mage it's fine for it to be slow because the large radius makes it difficult to get out of. But the time it takes for the ranged LB to go off with their thin line AoE, you can basically side step it and do a dance before it goes off. I wouldn't say it needs to be instant, but it definitely needs to be faster than it is.

Third issue: damage. Combined with the above two issues the damage if you actually hit something is appalling, Mage LB is about 50% hp in one hit. With ranged LB you'd probably have done more damage just using your AoE skills in the time it takes to use the LB, it just does nothing.

Fourth issue: basically a culmination of all of the above but, animation lock, you get locked in place for so long, everything you target sees that LB line and goes "oh a MCH/BRD is LBing, thank you for the convenient trail that leads me back to you where you're stuck in place and defenceless, let me just sidestep out of it and come murder you with my 10 other friends you tried to target, good thing you're right next to us so you'd actually be able to hit something with it even though you're a ranged damage dealer!". I can't really think of a way to deal with this other than fix all the other issues so this won't be a problem since all LB's have animation lock, but they can actually do something with theirs that makes it worth getting locked in place for.

Stop relying on LB and git gud.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

Stop relying on LB and git gud.

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Can someone Al Bundy him out the door please.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

Get out of here.

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Make me Forum Police.

I like that title.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

Stop relying on LB and git gud.

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I know this is a troll, but I don't rely on the LB, I CAN'T rely on the LB, cause the LB is garbage, that's the point. It needs to be buffed to be a reliable way to kill things or at least deal decent damage.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I know this is a troll, but I don't rely on the LB, I CAN'T rely on the LB, cause the LB is garbage, that's the point. It needs to be buffed to be a reliable way to kill things or at least deal decent damage.

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LB is a push for free kill button used properly, it is far from garbage and you want it buffed?
So who's really trolling here.

More like nerf the melee LB please. And fix Cometeor so that I don't get hit by it even when I'm out of it. And make the healer LB affect all players on the entire map pls yoshi-p. And give my WAR the DPS LB instead of the tank one so I can one-shot people.

But really, drop it in a chokepoint and people have nowhere to run. I do agree perhaps the area of effect could be a bit wider.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

LB is a push for free kill button used properly, it is far from garbage and you want it buffed?
So who's really trolling here.

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Free kill... For anyone who sees the BRD/MCH using it.

And since you didn't seem to read the OP yes I want it buffed >_> it's in no way a "free kill" it locks you in place for a signposted and easily avoided attack that even if it does hit something only does like 20%hp in damage. and unlike mages we don't have an AoE sleep/bind to make everyone hold still while we use it.

Ranged LB is the weakest, easiest to avoid and hardest to use. It has no advantages over the other LB's so yes it deserves a buff.

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Originally Posted by adn

But really, drop it in a chokepoint and people have nowhere to run. I do agree perhaps the area of effect could be a bit wider.

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Well this goes back to problem 1, yes this is pretty much the only way to use it, but you can't just drop it on a choke point you need to pick an ideal target in that chokepoint to get it central or you'll miss everything by aiming off to the side somewhere, which is why it really needs to be manually aimed.

I like how the OP didn't mention the biggest problem with the ranged LB; It doesn't work on slopes or any changes in elevation. Even if you have a bottleneck node like the southeastern uphill one, it won't hit anyone if they are on a different elevation on you.

Other than that, it's effective range is an utter joke to justify it doing less than a caster LB; The width isn't any wider than bodies standing next to each other. And personally, I can't tell if I'm shooting where I'm facing or at who I'm targeting because I don't see my projected AoE.

The only time I can reliably use it is to overlap with a caster who is setting up their caster LB to garunteed a kill. Me using it by myself hits for 4k-4.5k at the most and probably won't hit anyone by itself unless they're holmgang'd or stunned.

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Originally Posted by adn

More like nerf the melee LB please. And fix Cometeor so that I don't get hit by it even when I'm out of it. And make the healer LB affect all players on the entire map pls yoshi-p. And give my WAR the DPS LB instead of the tank one so I can one-shot people.

But really, drop it in a chokepoint and people have nowhere to run. I do agree perhaps the area of effect could be a bit wider.

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The choke points located in the center-ish area of the maps aren't narrow enough to make full advantage of it. As for the nodes that have bottle neck entrances, they're on different elevations so it doesn't hit either (specifically, the uphill node close to center and the uphill one on the SE side of the map)

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Free kill... For anyone who sees the BRD/MCH using it.

And since you didn't seem to read the OP yes I want it buffed >_> it's in no way a "free kill" it locks you in place for a signposted and easily avoided attack that even if it does hit something only does like 20%hp in damage. and unlike mages we don't have an AoE sleep/bind to make everyone hold still while we use it.

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BRD/MCH have a good amount of binds,heavys and stuns so folk can't dodge and using anything but Melee on someone at full health is wasteful.

Why would you want an AoE sleep/bind anyway for an LB that doesn't even have a radius of 5y?

Though MCH does have an AoE stun centred around themselves so there's that if everyone's stood in a straight line for some reason lol.

It's certainly not 20% either as BRD/MCH is just a slight lower potency than Caster LB and that rips a good chunk off unmitigated.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

BRD/MCH have a good amount of binds,heavys and stuns so folk can't dodge and using anything but Melee on someone at full health is wasteful.

Why would you want an AoE sleep/bind anyway for an LB that doesn't even have a radius of 5y?

Though MCH does have an AoE stun centred around themselves so there's that if everyone's stood in a straight line for some reason lol.

It's certainly not 20% either as BRD/MCH is just a slight lower potency than Caster LB and that rips a good chunk off unmitigated.

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BRD does not have a stun or heavy, and MCH's stun is melee range (Which is often a bad idea considering their damage penalty). They have a single target bind (with the MCH's bind being a shared cooldown with heavy), but that's far less synergy than casters having a AoE Bind/sleep for their AoE LB. Ranged LB isn't good for finishing off people either because of the cast time; it's often enough time for someone to land a heal in (and if no one is within range to heal them, then honestly you don't even need a LB to finish them off in that circumstance)

It's a ranged LB on a class that can't really set it up to take advantage on the linear AoE, and the AoE itself has an extremely low effective range for less damage.

Honestly, both caster and ranged LB really aren't that strong. 20-40% of someone's hp is the average and you'd get a far better milage from your actual burst rotation than AoE for burst. Where it shines is the fact that it's hitting more than one target and can often have devastating results if two caster LBs overlap each other. The problem with that is the ranged LB is again, has a pitiful effective range compared to caster (which is also the case in PvE sadly) so you'd be lucky to ever line up more than one target in time to overlap with someone else's LB.

Bind, sleep, or stun someone first before using it, or use it down a narrow pathway, as seal rock has a lot of those. It's fine.

I wish the range LB would be kind of similar to caster LB. But instead of a telegraph round area where you can cast it within the range, have it like a straight line telegraph starting from you and extended it to the limited range would be easier to cast.

I am one of the worst players ever and even then I don't think that I have ever so much as taken damage from a BRD/MCH LB in PVP, even when the enemy team is playing well and trying to sync it up with their team's burst. Everything they are saying about it is true; it's noticeably the least effective LB and it doesn't work right anyway with the elevation glitch. The only real use it seems to have right now is to frighten players into stepping away from the template if your team is around you and you want to make some space, which is sort of lame for the time it takes to use it.

Most BRD/MCH I've seen tend to drop it on clusterfucks occurring at a tomelith. It could probably use some adjusting though. For one, it's total bollocks in both PVP AND PVE that you can't even really see its trajectory lol. A width adjustment would probably be okay too...the line is really narrow. I've accidentally ran INTO one and was still able to run through to the other side without taking damage, haha.

Sometimes is pointless to use the Ranger LB. Without the shadowbind you will fail or your target being attacked after bind him.

In the other hand, Caster LB is more effective, the aoe effect is mor wide than ranged lb. If they are not fast to move, targets are affected by the damage. With Our LB, just two steps and /laugh.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

BRD/MCH have a good amount of binds,heavys and stuns so folk can't dodge and using anything but Melee on someone at full health is wasteful.

Why would you want an AoE sleep/bind anyway for an LB that doesn't even have a radius of 5y?

Though MCH does have an AoE stun centred around themselves so there's that if everyone's stood in a straight line for some reason lol.

It's certainly not 20% either as BRD/MCH is just a slight lower potency than Caster LB and that rips a good chunk off unmitigated.

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Bards have one heavy if they cross class feint, no stuns, and one bind that breaks as soon as the target takes damage.

I think I've gotten two kills with bard lb ever, and they were from the same lb fired into the middle of a massive 3 way skirmish. :/

It supposed to have some flaw as it's a ranged LB.

I'm reading this thread with all these made up bard abilities that I had to reread them again..what..???

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Bards have one heavy if they cross class feint, no stuns, and one bind that breaks as soon as the target takes damage.

I think I've gotten two kills with bard lb ever, and they were from the same lb fired into the middle of a massive 3 way skirmish. :/

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Feint causes slow, no heavy. It slows their attack speed but not movement speed.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It supposed to have some flaw as it's a ranged LB.

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Flaws which are the same as casters except worse in every aspect; The damage is lower, the effective width is a joke, and the distance range is irrelevant because it doesnt work on slopes (and the aforementioned width still makes for it very easy to avoid, even in some of the bottlenecks like the center of Seal Rock.)

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Originally Posted by Natashio

I'm reading this thread with all these made up bard abilities that I had to reread them again..what..???

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I haven't seen anyone say a skill name that isn't in PvE, but I went ahead and got this link for you anyway: http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/PvP_Actions

(Aside from "Cometeor" which is a caster thing and not a Bard thing.)

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Feint causes slow, no heavy. It slows their attack speed but not movement speed.

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Whoops must have misread it. I knew it didn't effect movement speed but the fact that its called slow has always thrown me off, heh. Keep mixing up slow and heavy.

...so yeah, bards don't have a stun or a heavy.

Get a better weapon? LB damage is largely dependent on the weapon damage of the user. Ranged characters just tend to have a lower number then other class types.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

Get a better weapon? LB damage is largely dependent on the weapon damage of the user. Ranged characters just tend to have a lower number then other class types.

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LB is dependent on the average Ilvl of the weapon of everyone in the party, not the user. While Ranged LB is still weaker than caster in PvE, the thread is about PvP which Ilvl syncs everyone to ilvl150 anyway.

If you aren't using shadow bind or Leg Graze/The-Bind-For-Machinist-Which-Escapes-me-right-now, you shouldn't be playing Bard/MCH in PVP until you learn how to, :p.

idk how to play, SE, buff me.

First, adrenaline is for crucial use only, second, its a ranged LB with a long AoE, you can`t have it buffed more than it is. Both caster and ranged LB are made to be heavy damage dealers to an area, not killers like the melee ones. And, considering the advantages of no casting time and firing on the move of both DEX ranged above the casters, is pretty obvious that the LB needs to do less damage too. You can`t have it all.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

idk how to play, SE, buff me.

First, adrenaline is for crucial use only, second, its a ranged LB with a long AoE, you can`t have it buffed more than it is. Both caster and ranged LB are made to be heavy damage dealers to an area, not killers like the melee ones. And, considering the advantages of no casting time and firing on the move of both DEX ranged above the casters, is pretty obvious that the LB needs to do less damage too. You can`t have it all.

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Wat. Ranged LB isn't instant cast, and their non-GB or WM damage is an utter joke that they have to stand still.

And also, the longer range is irrelevant because the width is an absolute joke they they can quite literally side step and avoid it completely, let alone it not working if there's even a small difference in elevation