The RNG aspect of favor mat grinding is absolutely infuriating

What is with SE and taking the success/failure of the player out of their own hands and leaving it up to random chance? It's so disheartening, and it feels like the game does not want me to have fun and I have to fight it tooth and nail to eek out what little enjoyment I can while trying to craft my i170 AF2 stuff.

I really feel like the gathering of favor mats needs to be much, much more consistent as it's already enough of a gauntlet gathering the EIGHTY favor mats (and thousands of junk mats/crystals while grinding the favors) needed to craft a single MH/Chest piece. I'm not a game designer so I really don't know how best to fix it, but I would feel a lot better if I knew for certain how many ooids i was going to get from a stack of favors instead of praying I don't get completely screwed over.

I doubt anyone from SE will read this, but I cancelled my subscription yesterday and this is the reason why. I loved gathering and crafting in ARR and I was excited to see how scrips would play out when they were first announced, but all they have done is suck every last bit of fun out of the game for me.

Reported averages are about 3.5 mats per favor, for someone using good technique, and it varies by location. Botany nodes seem to yield less than mining nodes for some reason.

A lot of people I've encountered running Favor nodes do not have good technique.

Jade Nephrite's Lodestone blog has some good information in the post I've linked.
There is also The FF14 Heavensward Gathering Guide by Caimie Tsukino

I don't know if this is related but somehow I feel like ooids are easier to gather in bigger quantities than foxgloves or void nuts.probably cause nodes for btn are further apart than Min ones.

I get an average of 19/22 ooids per 5 favs.whereas btn favs only get between 14/17 per 5

They have to eliminate the red scrip cap, and make favor nodes a 100% spawn rate. These two fixes would alleviate much of the current systems problems.

Fully agree with red scrip cap. Removing it will actually fix the problem. At least we won't have to wait a week to craft higher stuff

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Originally Posted by BushWookie

They have to eliminate the red scrip cap.

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No, they don't. All that would do is crater any chance of a good market developing for Favor node mats.

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Originally Posted by doctapeppa

What is with SE and taking the success/failure of the player out of their own hands and leaving it up to random chance? It's so disheartening, and it feels like the game does not want me to have fun and I have to fight it tooth and nail to eek out what little enjoyment I can while trying to craft my i170 AF2 stuff.

I really feel like the gathering of favor mats needs to be much, much more consistent as it's already enough of a gauntlet gathering the EIGHTY favor mats (and thousands of junk mats/crystals while grinding the favors) needed to craft a single MH/Chest piece. I'm not a game designer so I really don't know how best to fix it, but I would feel a lot better if I knew for certain how many ooids i was going to get from a stack of favors instead of praying I don't get completely screwed over.

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Don't do it, its pretty much pointless. Just get your af2 gear and be done with it

The RNG aspect of getting HQ Leaf/Land borne sands is far worse I assure you...

3 Favors down, 2 Green Ooids in the bag. Isn't this system just wonderful. They know how much we are expected to get, 3-4 mats per favor. What they should have done is just make them into the gathering equivalent of delineations, give us 20 per token instead of 5, or let us get 4 per node, and make it a 1 off 100% spawn rate when you use the item while harvesting the appropriate node. That way we get 20 mats per token and it even out the usage of the crafter scrips because as it is, unless you are forced to waste crafter scrips on hq mats, you will never gather the 180 mats needed to use all 9 crafter tokens using just 9 gathering tokens.

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Originally Posted by Seraph

They know how much we are expected to get, 3-4 mats per favor.

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I've been averaging 3.5 nodes per favor, plus rares, over around 120 Favors run so far.

Technique makes a huge difference, most are explained in Caimie's HW Gathering guide. I've had bad runs with no Concealed node pops, and good ones with 6.

I actually squashed seven once in a single favor. On the same day I went through a stack of five and only got seven. That's some crazy RNG if you ask me.

I absolutely hate gathering void nutts. Only 2 spawn locations in comparison to 3 from other favor mats. And the 3 of the lvl60 nodes are in close proximity to mobs :(.

Too much time wasted with stealth. It usually takes more favors on void nutts for me than any other favor.

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I absolutely hate gathering void nutts. Only 2 spawn locations in comparison to 3 from other favor mats. And the 3 of the lvl60 nodes are in close proximity to mobs :(.

Too much time wasted with stealth. It usually takes more favors on void nutts for me than any other favor.

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You can also gather Void Nuts down at the place Birch Logs and the like are mined, in the south-east. It's much safer. That said, I think the distances are greater at the Birches, so when I go to gather Void Nuts, I have my wife pacify the groundskeepers -- with FIRE. I do the same for her when it's her turn.

I got 9 Green Oids and two Green Roundstones from one Favor yesterday.

And just 2 Green Oids from the next favor.

RNGesus, he giveth with the left and taketh away with the right ...

As a botanist, favors feel like a relief after you ´ ve been teleporting over and over for scripts, folklore, unspoiled nodes or standard gathering.

I did another token's worth of favors, so five of them... my friend needed roundstones and I said I'd try and get some for her.
Ended up with:
two HQ green roundstone, one NQ green rounstone
six HQ green ooid, fifteen NQ green ooid.

Better than my last run...

Red scrips need to go. Might have been a good idea but the way it is even after the nerf is horrid. I have yet to do any favors this week as my hands are still too sore from last week. I have more than one char so I do a lot of favors and feed them over to my main for crafting. Love the gear, hate the system. I have gotten I high of 8 per favor and a low of 0 per favor with an average just under 4 per favor. The rare mats, round stones are useless. If you can craft, it is not hard to make hq out of nq mats. I use to give SE feed back on what could be improved with the system in a reasonable way. Now as a rule of thumb I send them an in game complaint for every favor that yields 0 items. Over the last few weeks I have rack up a lot of 0 per favor. But it could be my fault, I am dumb enough to do this content so why would they change it. Almost done with my sets and then done with this favor system. Hours of mindless gathering for a few weekly crafts. pfffftt. Loved crafting far more in 2.0, hate the 3.0 system.

With the ilvl they say we can find in 3.1 for drops, crafting my just be down the drain unless they step it up and give us good DoW, DoM crafts that are meaningful. Not even motivated to cap eso anymore as the gear was done poorly vs the myth gear in 2.0. plus why waste time when much higher gear is around the corner. At this rate and lack of feed back, I trust in SE to f*ck up any changes to the 3.1 crafting system.

I know RNG is RNG, but.... I feel like Favor gathering has been better lately. I've been hitting the minimum 20 mats per 5 stack pretty consistently in the past few weeks. Maybe something changed?