Any chance we can get Umbral Ice to restore MP the way it used to while casting Flare? The spell itself has been nerfed to hell already now that the damage is reduced with multiple targets.
Umbral Ice MP tics
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09-18-2015, 07:19 AMThaiChiUmbral Ice MP tics
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09-18-2015, 07:28 AMKolaina
im confused. are you saying you do now, or even used to cast umbral flares? thats gross
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09-18-2015, 07:52 AMKyrosBack in the day you could get 3 Flares down by Casting a Flare under Umbral Ice and having the MP tick as the flare is going Off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolaina
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09-18-2015, 09:01 AMMalevicton
They're probably not gonna unfix an exploit.
Edit: For people who don't know, in the past you could cast flare right as ui ticked and keep the mp, which let people do the "infinite flare rotation" which after the opener was flare>transpose>flare>flare>repeat -
09-18-2015, 09:29 AMDarkobra
Oh God, please don't tell me you're going to use a nerfed flare in Umbral mode. And you want to infinitely do it? I know the game is Full Casual Mode and it is impossible to fail but... You're choosing to do this?
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09-18-2015, 09:31 AMAttarikI couldn't hear you over my flare cast timer going off indefinitey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkobra
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09-18-2015, 09:33 AMDarkobraI saw a mage cast Fire 3/Ice 3/Fire 3 because he said the cast times were faster, he never ran out of mana and it was more damage. I thought he was a unique one. Then I saw this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Attarik
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09-18-2015, 09:34 AMLaylaTsarra
How about they fix it so Flares use no MP? There you go.
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09-18-2015, 09:35 AMAttarik1) I was kidding. 2) He sounds like one of those people who takes off all their old attacks from the hotbar when he gets a new version of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkobra
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09-18-2015, 09:36 AMZodiarWish granted, but it has a recast time of 600 secondsQuote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-18-2015, 09:37 AMLaylaTsarraParty Pooper!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodiar
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09-18-2015, 11:20 AMMalevictonThere used to be a thing you could do to still have mp if you timed it right. flare puts you in af3. So before they patched the ui tic you could essentially replace fire3 with flare in your aoe rotation. Either way you are casting something from ui.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkobra
Maybe I'm not explaining it well, but you can look up "ffxiv infinite flare" on google or youtube. It was really strong.
Given that SE decided it was an exploit and patched it, I doubt it will be coming back, but what you're saying is not remotely close to what op is asking for. -
09-21-2015, 05:21 AMThaiChi
Thanks for the people who actually knew what I was talking about. I never knew it was considered an exploit, I always thought it worked as intended. Oh well, tomato-tomato. It was the only reason I leveled BLM, it was a fun trick to do. I still contend it should be great to have back, even if it was considered an exploit. Be nice to have some other options.
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09-21-2015, 05:27 AMCatwho
Multi-flares are also much harder to achieve now that we don't have an MP potion that can restore enough to trigger it with the MP levels at 60 cap. A HQ X-Ether won't even do it. Convert will, of course, so the max you're probably going to want to pull off at full Astral strength is going to be two.
That said, with Blizzard IV and trying to maintain Enochian, the need to do back to back Flares is significantly reduced since the rotation has to be compacted into that 30 second interval anyway. -
09-21-2015, 06:52 AMWalielFlare - Transpose - B2 - B2 - Flare - Flare - Transpose - repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malevicton
You needed the UI3 for the faster cast time. I guess you could technically do it with UI1, but the timing would be much harder. Missing the timing was crippling, too, leaving you with UI3 powered Flare that did low damage and no mana to do anything for up to 16 seconds before you could finally get a B1 off for some mana.
Anyway, the way they "fixed" that was to make your AF appear after you spell animation, rather than at the beginning, so you now have a small window of neutral time there. I think the UI3 might also disappear slightly sooner. All they actually needed to do was to make Flare require AF to cast, but the fix they chose made everything a lot more awkward with mana ticks and some timings and stuff. You can't even queue F4 in certain situations because of that.
E: Was the Blizzardless version better? I can't remember anymore. -
09-21-2015, 04:55 PMTwiliteEh..no. It's always ONLY going to be Bliz 3 > Fire 3 > Fire I/IV, ONLY using Fire III from Firestarter. Never freaking Bliz 3 > Fire 3 > Bliz 3..jesus that's easily going to be the crappiest dps rotation ever. And doing Fire 3 > Bliz 3 > Fire 3 is no better. Bliz 3 serves two purposes; 1. MP restoration. 2. Setup for quick transition into Astral Fire III. The aim is to have full MP for all Fire 1s/Fire IV's. Never for Fire III.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkobra
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09-21-2015, 05:14 PMwicked-one
Forget about the Infinite Flare, that was lame anyways.
But I really would appreciate when the Mana Tic would come randomly, and not the "most time to waste and let the BLM stand around like a dick"
I really hate it in A2S where Flare comes at least somewhat handy (despite the nerf) but I tend to stick more to Single Target and let the SMN AoEing more, as often I Transpose after a Flare and wait a felt 6 seconds until I get some Mana to do something, mostly resulting in wearing of Enochian.
The delays switching AF/UI and enabling F4/B4 somewhat can be accepted, but the Mana Tic is really breaking all the fluid in the AoE - rotation.
Hope this gets better on lower latency, atm, I feel quite in disadvantage.