I think overall 1.19 is going to evolve into mostly good, but I have to admit I'm getting frustrated with various aspects of it, yet I have to keep reminding myself we're still very much in transition.
My most recent frustration is when I look at a mage weapon I'm having serious issues understanding exactly what the attributes of the weapon are and how they affect me as a mage. Pre-patch we could see the various mage related stats in the weapon description that allowed us to make a clear decision about which weapon was better - namely magic attack, magic accuracy, magic crit rate, etc.. The difference in weapons was very clear and evident.
Please note, I did read the patch notes about the various changes in attributes, enfeeb, healing, enhancing, etc.
Tonight is the very first opportunity I had to peruse the market for new gear and the very first item I looked at is a new jade crook. I see damage,attack speed, and damage type blunt, which I could care about as a mage. Down below I see magic accuracy +15 and magic crit rate +25. This new jade crook is a level 45 weapon.
I then compared this to the level 48 dated jade crook +2 that I've been using and I was shocked to see that the new version reflected a +4 improvement in magic accuracy, and +3 improvement in magic crit rate over the 48 +2.
Now I'm not happy about this at all, but I've learned thru the years that SE can do anything they want - ergo a new R45 jade crook (NQ) is > than my R48 +2 - fine.
Beyond this, I started to look at the various conjurer weapons on the market and the only thing I noticed beyond the meele stats of damage and attack speed, was small improvements in mostly magic accuracy and magic crit rate.
So I bought a R38 dated yew crook and I equipped it and I compared my attributes vs. my R48 dated jade crook +2. Attack magic enfeebling magic, healing magic, enhancing magic and magic evasion did not change. The only thing in my attribute menu that changed was magic accuracy increased with the dated jade from 409 to 410. I also got an increase in magic crit of +2, and I have no idea how to gauge how significant that is, but it can't be much.
So then I got extreme. I bought a weathered cane, and I equipped that and compared my menu attributes to my dated jade crook +2. Again, attack magic enfeebling magic, healing magic, enhancing magic and magic evasion did not change. The only difference was an increase in magic accuracy of +11, from 399 to 410, and of course the weathered cane had no magic crit, so +22 there.
Save your calculators, the magic accuracy improvement over a weatherd cane is less than 2.8%. I can get more than that equipping 3 pearl rings.
So either I'm missing something very big here, or I'm way too concerned about which weapon I'm using as conjurer. Furthermore, I have no idea how to judge which weapon is best for me aside from some miniscule increase in macc and mag crit.
Now, if I'm missing something here I would be ever-indebted to anyone who could make me see the errors of my logic. If, in fact, I'm reading this right, then SE you have some explaining to do.
Mage Weapons and Attributes
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10-08-2011, 01:34 PMzzappMage Weapons and Attributes
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10-08-2011, 02:36 PMFleur
I have no helpful advice here, but I am curious about new mage weapon stats too! I've been using unique/untradeable ones, but with this materia thing I figure I need to go shopping for new crafted ones.
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10-08-2011, 03:08 PMDreadnoughtthe only thing i can really comment about is regardless of your old gears stats, it will be completely obsolete once materia becomes more common (especially gear with multiple materia!) and once 1.20 comes around (the old recipies will no longer be valid once 1.20 hits)Quote:
Originally Posted by zzapp
it really does seem like im the only one in game glad to burn anything that says dated on it. im excited to be wearing fresh gear with empty materia slots! -
10-08-2011, 03:57 PMzzapp
To be honest, this isn't so much about the old vs. new gear. This is about the stat increases or lack, thereof, that I see when I compare any conjurer or thaum weapons - old and new, and how it affects our current stats. We are getting next to nothing going from equipping a level 1 weapon to a level 48, and I'd like to know why.
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10-08-2011, 09:28 PMzzapp
I can't believe this isn't getting commentary from, at minimum, the mage community. This is a travisty, if, in fact, I'm reading this right, and I would sincerely appreciate clarifcation from the development team.
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10-09-2011, 01:53 AMDowen
If this is true i would also like to know a reason as to why we are not getting bonuses. Bumping this up.
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10-09-2011, 02:19 AMFiron
Its not that you are not getting bonus its not showing i started a thread about str not working but it does indeed work just not changing atk power in the menu for some reason, it seems to be glitch.
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10-10-2011, 02:32 AMzzappDid you test this? Just curious how you know this. Still doesn't help us decide which weapon is superlative enough to replace the prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
It would be nice to hear from the develpment team on this, please. -
10-12-2011, 07:58 PMzzapp
Can we please get a response on this from the develpment community.
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10-12-2011, 08:08 PMSecret_Reeve
i think its because your looking at the RAW weapon.
yeah the new jade crook may not be that great, but add in a materia or two to it, then add materia to your mages armour and you will soon begin to see a large difference from old to new -
10-12-2011, 08:56 PMRinsuiYes... but what prevents you from adding that very same materia to an Axe or a bow? Or ist the only difference between mages and melees now the size of the MP pool and the recast timers?Quote:
i think its because your looking at the RAW weapon.
yeah the new jade crook may not be that great, but add in a materia or two to it, then add materia to your mages armour and you will soon begin to see a large difference from old to new
Edit: Oh! Oh! My mistake! You can't, since weapon materia is not cross-class compatible! -
10-13-2011, 01:04 AMPlatinumstorm
You're also missing out on wands and how the different elemental [tides and tremor] are weaker than the other elements, and that the elemental type affects a primary statistic. There are wands with +STR and +DEX
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10-13-2011, 01:49 AMSecret_Reeve
still though, materia WILL make a large difference to the overall performance of mages.
just get some stuck on there n test it out
i myself am a mage and found that materia brings it back up to par, also dont forget mage classes are being changed in 1.20 -
10-13-2011, 01:56 AMquantumsaint
Hey, zzap, I found this on the battle mechanics board, I hope it helps.
Stats And You!
Well, since the update we are now able to see our specific values of attack power, accuracy, defense, evasion, attack magic, enfeebling magic, healing magic, enhancement magic, magic accuracy and magic evasion. I decided to play around with some level 31 rings (+5 stats) on my 37 Pugilist and found out the following things about stats and disciples of war:
For every 5 PIE you get 5MP, 1 Enfeebling Magic and 1 Magic Evasion
For every 5 INT you get 1 Magic Attack
For every 5 VIT you get 5HP and 1 Enhancement Magic
Using up to 4x DEX rings for a total of +20 showed no change in Accuracy or Evasion. VIT showed no change in Defense.
On my 31 Conjurer I only had MND rings handy and found out the following for disciples of magic:
For every 5 MND you get 2 Healing Magic and 2 Magic Accuracy
If anyone has any other disciple experience with stats in increments of 5 please post and share your findings! This could be handy for understanding stats better as well as possibly pointing out something to devs. It may be a bug that DEX doesn't show any gains for DoW. It's interesting to know now that MND doesn't increase MP anymore and that it seams to be a 1:1 ratio for PIE/VIT:MP/HP. I'm assuming the +1 magic stats per 5 base stat on DoW would translate to +2 magic stat but if anyone can confirm, kudos!
I'll update this main page periodically with everyone's findings. Apologies if this exists elsewhere, I did search.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Stats-And-You!
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10-13-2011, 01:56 AMzaviermhigo
I want to see stats on weapons that are like "healing magic potency" or "enfeebing magic potency" get my drift? I think that would totally B.A. (I feel a lack of mage shoes and hands now [even though the new boarskin whatevers are sexy on stats] so I want the weapons to have some awesome stats to make up for the gear. I get it materia materia materia, but that in itself needs balancing, 1 piece of materia on a piece = better than nm drop, better than gear from dzamel, hrm?, I think two pieces for sure since success rate is like 24% for 2nd piece, 3 pieces and you're a god right? since like 7% success rate, but one piece @ 100% shouldn't be enough to make the gear better than dropped pieces.)