What actions would Scholar have if it were seperated from Arcanist?

Let's come up with some craziness. Here are the guidelines:

1) The job would theoretically start from level 30 like the 3.0 jobs and unlocked once you complete the level 30 arcanist class quest while meeting sch's current class requirements.
2) Certain actions/traits are imported from arcanist to sch leaving arcanist with new actions tailored more towards acn/smn while leaving a lot of room for new sch actions (thus this thread)
3) Since codex seem to be treated as a sch only book and Grimoire for acn/smn, it only seems fitting to conceptualize scholar as an "extra job" with its own "unique weapon."

Job Actions:
Lv 1
2
4 Physick, Eos (Formerly Summon I)
6
8
10
12
15 Selene (Formerly Summon II)
18
22 Resurrection
26
30
34 Eye for an Eye
38
42 Rouse
46
50

Job Traits:
8
14 Enhanced Mind I
16 Enhanced Mind II
20
24
28
32 Enhanced Mind III
36
40
44 Ehanced Eye for an Eye
48 Enhanced Rouse

Oh, and 4) The existing actions for sch only would also have to be adjusted for lack of an aetherflow. May I suggest a raised mp cost or a new submechanic?

Hmmm, let's take a page out of 1.0 Thaumaturge's book.

Level 2: Dia
Level 26: Dia II

Basically the "light" version of Bio from acn/smn, dealing unaspected damage to a single target. Unoriginal, I know...but a start :3

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Hmmm, let's take a page out of 1.0 Thaumaturge's book.

Level 2: Dia
Level 26: Dia II

Basically the "light" version of Bio from acn/smn, dealing unaspected damage to a single target. Unoriginal, I know...but a start :3

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This sounds cool but it would trip me up so bad...
(Dia spells from SMT = healing)

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

This sounds cool but it would trip me up so bad...
(Dia spells from SMT = healing)

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<3 smt too :p

dont forget sustain - kinda important to have this or something like it.
18 Sustain

Getting Eos at such a low level would require all the 30+ job quests to be completely rewritten.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Getting Eos at such a low level would require all the 30+ job quests to be completely rewritten.

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He's suggesting it be a 30+ job. So you'd be getting Eos at level 30, just like we used to, and can use it when we level sync down to that level, just like we used to.

Scholar should be connected to Arcanist though, Bio/Miasma/Virus/etc. all kind of fit with the Healer aspect of Scholar. Summoner is the one which should be turned into an advanced Job like Dark Knight/etc.

They should rework Arcanist into an actual Healer, since that's what I actually remember Carbuncle as being for most of the franchise (Healing Ruby, Reflect, etc.), while Summoner should be reworked from a pet Job into what it is 50-60, since Eos/Selene are pretty much perfect while Summoners Egis are just crap (summoning a pet once does not as Summoner make... Scholar and Machinist are more deserving of the name at this point...). The way Bahamut is handled on Summoner should have been how all the main six Primals were handled. Just throw in some elemental wheel mechanic for building Primal Aether, Final Fantasy XIV has two Elemental Wheels; Fire > Ice > Wind > Fire, and Earth > Lightning > Water > Earth. So you could be building two stacks at a time, if you build Inferno (Ifrit) stacks, you decrease Frost (Shiva) stacks, but your Tremor (Titan)/Levin (Ramuh)/Whorl (Leviathan) stacks remain unaffected, for example. Plus the existing Dreadwyrm stacks. Would require a complete rewrite of Summoner (same unlock requirements as Dark Knight/etc., which would mean you'd have beaten all 6 Primals to unlock it and they can actually do something with them all), but given how lackluster the current one is I think it's needed... Both Summoner and Scholar were rushed out the door for 2.0s release and it shows, but I'd say Scholar came out on top. Dreadwyrm stance shows promise, but instead of applying that awesomeness to the rest of the Job, we're getting pet glamours instead... RIP Summoner... I'll call your Bahamut Mage from now on.

Hmm... if Scholar were split off it'd likely become an Extra Job, and it'd likely lose alot of it's DD capabilities. It'd get several more healing spells to bring it on par with White Mage and Astrologian, and maybe some utility spells. It wouldn't get the same number of attack spells as it had with arcanist because it'd be completely geared for healing, like White Mage and Astrologian. Heck, Leeches might be moved down in level to make it as useful as Esuna. Essentially Scholar would cease to be the DD-capable healer it is now because it wouldn't have the DD base class that is arcanist.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Scholar should be connected to Arcanist though, Bio/Miasma/Virus/etc. all kind of fit with the Healer aspect of Scholar. Summoner is the one which should be turned into an advanced Job like Dark Knight/etc.

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yup. SMN should be the Extra Job and it shouldn't even be a pet job. take away all the Arcanist stuff and give SMN Inferno, Tremor, Vortex, Judgement, Wave and Diamond Trances.

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Originally Posted by ChazNatlo

He's suggesting it be a 30+ job. So you'd be getting Eos at level 30, just like we used to, and can use it when we level sync down to that level, just like we used to.

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That was exactly my thought process, and how could I forget potential Physick II / III?

I'd have liked a high-level action that when cast upon a party member their attacks will recover 5% of it as TP (ie, dragon kick deals 900 you get 45 TP back) - and would be even better if that move which spreads galvanise and E4E would spread that too. Dunno what the action would be called though. Then there could be also a 'modifier' to it also where if in cleric (or whatever stance SCH may get instead) then TP recovery would change to HP recovery, so allow SCH to dps a little more.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

That was exactly my thought process, and how could I forget potential Physick II / III?

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True, as a genuinely dedicated healer Scholar will be very potent. But that's not really what people 'love' about Scholar. What they like is how Scholar can, at the flip of a stance, become a DD that also heals. Take away arcanist and that ceases to be. We know this will be the case just by looking at White Mage and Astrologian. Sure, they have some attack spells but no where near the same amount as an arcanist-based Scholar. I'm not really sure people genuinely think about what they ask for sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

True, as a genuinely dedicated healer Scholar will be very potent. But that's not really what people 'love' about Scholar. What they like is how Scholar can, at the flip of a stance, become a DD that also heals. Take away arcanist and that ceases to be. We know this will be the case just by looking at White Mage and Astrologian. Sure, they have some attack spells but no where near the same amount as an arcanist-based Scholar. I'm not really sure people genuinely think about what they ask for sometimes.

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True, but who says DD spells can't be added? Could do more than just Dia/Dia II and add some offensive abilities as well as an action that boosts magic damage (would stack with cleric stance).

I'ts more like Bio, Bio II, Miasma and Miasma II would belong to SCH, the only reason SMN has skills based around those DoTs is because their offensive actions are limited by sharing actions with SCH through arcanist.

Summoner gets Ruin III so Ruin I, II would belong to them. The way to look at it is consider SCH as light/dark, the light is their healing aspect and the dark is the DoT aspect by giving the DoTs to SCH you could better define Summoner around the pets rather than defining Summoner around those DoT.

Summoner:
Ruin=1
Summon=4
Aetherflow=6
Energy Drain=8
Summon II=15
Sustain=18
Ruin II=38
Rouse=42


SCH:
Bio
Physick
Summon
Aetherflow
Energy Drain
Miasma
Virus
Summon II
Ressurection
Bio II
Bane
Eye for Eye
Rouse
Miasma II
Shadow Flare

That's how I would split the abilities and I'd do that because I think the dark aspect of the DoT better fit SCH, they seem forced on SMN and force SMN to have a playstyle based on those DoTs because they are limited by Arcanist actions.

If this setup SMN is missing 9 actions and think about it, where could one grab those 9 actions from? From the pet actions.

Summoner:
Ruin=1
2=Wind Blade (New DoT) Enhanced when you have Garuda active
Summon=4
4=
Aetherflow=6
Energy Drain=8
10=Rock Buster=New dmg ability enhanced when Titan is active
12=Shockwave (Similar to WHM's Fluid Aura)
Summon II=15
Sustain=18
26
30
34
Ruin II=38
Rouse=42
46
50

Just to give an idea of what it could be, but the idea is this. You draw actions from the pet onto SMN itself, SMN has access to using them but they can increase the potency when used with active pet.

Each ability that is designated towards a pet could grant an "elemental aether" that could then be used to perform certain pet actions So say using Shockwave grants 2 wind aether but 3 when Garuda is active. Wind Aether could be used to perform actions on Garuda or exchanged to "swiftcast" a new pet out, but that "swiftcast" can only be used on summoning a pet.

But ya, that's how far I"ll take the idea since odds are they won't ever make any change like this, while it would be nice to define SMN more by it's pets than the DoT the only way they could do that is further splitting SMN into two entities in itself. The Summoner and the Evoker, the Evoker could be the one with DoT manipulation and Bahamut Trance along with other primal trances to enhance their flexibility while the Summoner could then be focused more on the pets. But I'd say it's very unlikely they would do something like this. It is a bit of a shame that SMN pets in a way got the short end of the stick it would be nice if their abilities could be designed more around the pets themselves but it would be really hard to try and fix it now.

Instead of just broil, we could have broil and broil 2 to replace ruin and ruin 2. Then have broil 3 at level 54 (Is that the level we get broil regularly?)

Then Dia and Dia 2 instead of bio and bio 2

Then instead of a third dot and bane, we could give them an aoe nuke like the other 2 healers get.

SCH should retain the abilities from ACN as SCH is a very non-elemental type job lore wise. SMN however has elemental abilities from their Egis. If they split SCH from ACN, they should give SCH supplemental spells and abilities from previous iterations of SCH from other FF games.

These abilities would be transfered to ACN but be renamed and have different animations.
Aetherflow=Sublimation
Ruin=Force
Bio=Dia
Energy Drain=Aspir
Miasma=Sap
Sustain=Tabula Rasa
Ruin II=Force II
Bio II=Dia II
Bane=Modus Veritas
Rouse=Embrava
Miasma II=Sap II
Shadow Flare=Meltdown/Kaustra(FFXI's renaming of Meltdown)


Physick/Eye4Eye and such would be stripped from ACN and replaced with some other DPS ability, so SMN would lose some of its utility. SMN and SCH would both have Virus, just maybe SCH's would be called Curse or Imperil or something.


Here's a list of 1.0 spells/abilities that were cut in 2.0 for reference to new ideas of future skills:

http://ffxiv.gamepedia.com/Category:Actions
http://ffxiv.gamepedia.com/index.php...Raise#mw-pages

Sure, let's give scholars the mnd traits and remove the 30% pet bonus from maim & mend II. I'm totally ok with it.