Beginner Crafter

Just starting crafting in this game. Was looking to see where to start (want to get everything up to 60)

I figured getting the 3 DoL classes up to 15ish, then start working on crafting and doing each to same level everytime I level the DoL classes.

Is there a particular DoH rotation that would make this more effective in crafting gear/stuff for other crafts?

Getting everything to 15 is a good start since there are a lot of useful cross-class abilities that you get at level 15. Also, pretty much all crafting recipes at level 15 or below use mats that you can buy at the respective guild NPC vendors. If you're going to level all of the DOH jobs (and you'll want to do this, because of the cross-class abilities) I would recommend trying to keep the levels about the same as you work them up. This has two main benefits: If you need materials that are made by another class, like lumber for BSM recipes, those materials are usually recipes at similar levels; and having all the classes at the same level means you only need one set of gear at a time.

Most of the established crafting rotations are designed for endgame (level 50-60) crafting with a ton of the cross-class skills and tend to require a lot more CP than you'll have for a while. At early levels, you're going to need to work with what you have available. Steady Hand with Great Strides + Standard/Advanced Touch until out of CP was my default rotation for early to mid level crafting prior to having the skills that let you abuse Inner Quiet stacks. If you're having trouble getting HQ results using this method, gathering HQ mats can help.

Like PirateCat said, frequently people prefer to level up all classes at once. It should work well, but might feel a bit slow/ require days of downtime to recover leves, etc. I personally took goldsmith, weaver, and leatherworker out ahead of the others (though everything to 15 is pretty important). This was mostly because GSM makes most of the jewelry as well as needles (WVR tool), while weaver and letherworker will cover almost all of the armor as well as the accessories that GSM doesn't cover for both crafting and gathering classes. With just those 3 you'd need to buy tools (except needles) or toss BSM into the mix.

One thing I will say though is that leveling ARM after BSM like I did was great because I was easily able to provide myself with lots of HQ ingots for crafting and in one case for leve turn ins since BSM and ARM share a few recipes and mostly use the same materials.

Also, since you're gathering as well (and HQ gear is less important for gathering since NQ just means a few more misses/ fewer HQ over time rather than botching your final result) I feel like it pays to keep your gatherers ahead of your crafters and to keep an eye on which materials you want to pick up. Mostly these will be staples (logs, ore, flax, etc.), but you could be coming up on leves that require some rarely used material that you could easily grab a couple dozen of while you're out and about. Also, use your leves for crafting, not gathering. Leves do give decent exp for gathering, sure, but not as much as for crafting and you don't actually collect anything that you can keep (all key items that you turn in) so you end up gathering exp only that way.

Make sure you turn-in HQ items for the daily GC missions They'll reward double the exp for every gatherer/crafter.

I would not level them up all at once though. If you are starting out, you'll be broke really fast. I'd recommend levelling the DoL first, so you can spare the mats / sell some to earn enough.

Check the prices on the marketboard first ?

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

I would not level them up all at once though. If you are starting out, you'll be broke really fast. I'd recommend levelling the DoL first, so you can spare the mats / sell some to earn enough

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You'll only go broke leveling DOH jobs if you buy a lot of the mats you need. Nearly everything you need can be gathered, which is obviously slower but doesn't cost gil. So yes, keeping DOL jobs at pace is very helpful here.

I would also recommend making at least one retainer a DOW/DOM class for ventures so you can have a reliable supply of mats like hides and sinew that come from enemy drops. You can use the seals you get from daily GC turn ins to buy ventures and keep them going.

Overall it's not hard to be self-sufficient while leveling everything, but it can take a bit of planning.

Edit: Another useful source of experience is the daily Ixal beast tribe quests. There's less of an incentive to max out the reputation with them than there used to be, but you don't need to produce your own mats for anything other than the quota one and they're a pretty decent source of exp. Plus, you can turn them in as any DOH class, even if it's not the one you used to make the items, so it's a good way to dump some extra exp on a class that's lagging behind a bit.

Does fishing net some of the items needed to craft in any of the DoH besides like culinarian?

How to get any DoH to 15 in an hour or less:

Make one of every recipe. The guild salesperson will have everything you need to do this and the early guild quests give you the shards. Culinarian does not stock fish but the Hyline (sp?), just off the aftcastle does.

Save what you make and check with the local levemete. Some of the items WILL be levequest turnins.

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Originally Posted by Kheoss

Does fishing net some of the items needed to craft in any of the DoH besides like culinarian?

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Yes. For example fish glue, alchemy.

But the vast majority of fish using recipes are culinarian.

In general unless you like fishing, don't bother with it.

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Originally Posted by Kheoss

Does fishing net some of the items needed to craft in any of the DoH besides like culinarian?

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Fish glue, fish oil, shark oil Alch.
Jewelry uses certain fish, coral by color but as said, they are foods.

tbh, you might want to get Culi to 50 first and it has nothing to do with easy or hard. Culi is a horrible inventory drag. It's going to eat up a lot of space.

Take them to 50, go back and do all the crafting quests. I just got around to doing leather crafting quests and it took all of an hour to get from 15 to 50. You will be able to appreciate the story line of each crafting guild better as well, if you are doing them back to back.

You are in a better position doing crafting now than people were 'back then'.

Something you are going to want to do while leveling is, desynth the NQ's you make. Chose two Desynth classes now. They are essential at and after 50. Fieldcraft and Master DemiMateria are going to play a big role in crafting after 50 and if you need to buy them because you didn't get the desynth up, it's going to cost you. There is a lot of content in crafting and gathering and much like getting a DoW to 60 doesn't make you Alex extreme ready, getting one or even all the crafts and gathering to 60 doesn't make you 3 star ready. It takes a well ordered mind to be a top end crafter.

Take the DoL to 50 then go back and do Doh quests? I apologize may have misread that.

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Originally Posted by PirateCat

Another useful source of experience is the daily Ixal beast tribe quests.

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It's also a ton of EXP for some (admittedly dull) busywork. Doing the full suite of quests once you start getting up to rank 4 or 5 will get you 2-3 levels a day all the way up to 40. It's like getting six or seven extra leves a day.

As far as leveling order goes, I'd recommend doing them all simultaneously via GC turnins, while prioritizing:

-CUL to 37 for Steady Hand II.
-CRP to 50 for Byregot's Blessing.
-WVR to 50 for Careful Synthesis II.
-ALC to 50 for Comfort Zone.

Even pre-Byregot's, you can HQ a lot of the turnins yourself, even without HQ components. My typical pre-Byregot's rotation for low-level stuff was something like:

• Inner Quiet
• Steady Hand II
• Hasty Touch x4
• Master's Mend
• Steady Hand II
• Hasty Touch x4
• Master's Mend
• Steady Hand I + Basic Synthesis until finish, or Steady Hand II + Rapid Synthesis, depending.

Throughout all of this, use Tricks of the Trade whenever it pops up. This gives you more than enough CP to use MM multiple times. I preferred using Master's Mend over, say, Manipulation, just because getting a Tricks proc during one of the Manipulation charges was a bit of a pain.

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Originally Posted by Kheoss

Take the DoL to 50 then go back and do Doh quests? I apologize may have misread that.

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No, level the crafts without paying too much attention to the guild quests. The guild quests don't really give a lot in experience and won't make a huge contribution to the leveling process. I've never done them as I leveled. Though you will want to stop at 50 and go back and do them. The 50 tool is worth it and will make 50 to 53 much easier.

Do the 1, 5 and 15 because they give shards but after 15 just level with grind, Leve's, Grand Company turn in's and beast tribe. Stop at 50 and get the quest tool because they are very much worth it at 50 and improve your ability to level above 50 but not much in the Crafting Guild quests make leveling that much easier aside from the shards early and the tool at the end.

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Originally Posted by Kheoss

Just starting crafting in this game. Was looking to see where to start (want to get everything up to 60)

I figured getting the 3 DoL classes up to 15ish, then start working on crafting and doing each to same level everytime I level the DoL classes.

Is there a particular DoH rotation that would make this more effective in crafting gear/stuff for other crafts?

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Save all of your leve quests for high level (25-35+). Leves tend to give exp comparable to the level you first get them. At higher levels you would need to craft more items per level, making levequests the better option.

Exception:
If the materials for a levequest or normal crafting in a certain level range are very expensive or hard to get, you can use levequests to breach the gap to the next leve (new leves come at each 5 levels). I won't advise doing this below level 25, however.

Even at 25, you can generally just do two days worth of Ixal quests and GC turnins to get to 30. It'll take approximately 54 leves to get from 30-50 after that point.

thank you all for all of this information, the crafting community rocks!

Level everything together, and don't buy materials. This will not only keep your efficiency high because you'll be getting xp on everything, but you'll make a lot of gil selling any non-leve quest turn ins you make.

More time consuming but super profitable for you.

Also do GC turn ins everyday, again don't buy them, gather and make them yourself.

It's worth noticing that even before acquisition of Byregot's Blessing, you can still create an IQ stack and do a finishing move.
You can use Waste Not to buy more touches, and use Hasty Touches to save your CP. After IQ is higher, then in your final phase, use Great Strides in conjunction with a Standard Touch or Advanced Touch. It will usually give you a very nice increase of quality in the end.

For 70 durab items, you may use Basic Syn on Normal Conditions, while baiting for more Good conditions before you touch. So, something like:

Inner Quiet
Steady Hand
Waste Not
Hasty Touch (normal condition - just to build up IQ)
Trick of Trade (Good condition - gain 20 CP)
Basic Synthesis (normal condition)
Hasty Touch (Good condition - 1.5x quality)
Steady Hand
Waste Not
Basic Synthesis (normal condition)
Hasty Touch (Good condition - 1.5x quality)
Basic Synthesis (normal condition)
Hasty Touch (normal condition)

Steady Hand
Basic Touch
Standard Touch
Great Strides
Standard Touch (final blow at high IQ stack)
Basic Synthesis (completion)

The above is just one way to do things. There are sooo many other ways. If you found 3 synthesis gives you progress that is just a little shy from completion, you can try fit an Ingenuity in the final phase like the following:
Steady Hand
Ingenuity
Great Strides
Standard Touch
Basic Synthesis
Basic Synthesis

Then the final touch may gain more quality, and the two Basic Syn will give more progress than your usual Basic Syn alone. In this case, you may remove up to 2 Basic Syn in your IQ-build-up phase, and put in 2 Hasty Touches instead to further boost IQ.

If your quality is still far from enough after your final phase, you can even try Rumination after your final Standard Touch, see how much CP you can squeeze out to push even more quality. Although, without IQ stack, your touches will be a lot less powerful at that point. But if you have like 10 durab, you may still gamble with a Waste Not, Hasty Touch and then Basic Syn to complete it.

Don't start copying people's macros too early. I suggest you play around with level 15 cross class skills more and develop your own rotations first.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Save all of your leve quests for high level (25-35+). Leves tend to give exp comparable to the level you first get them. At higher levels you would need to craft more items per level, making levequests the better option.

Exception:
If the materials for a levequest or normal crafting in a certain level range are very expensive or hard to get, you can use levequests to breach the gap to the next leve (new leves come at each 5 levels). I won't advise doing this below level 25, however.

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This is all true. Another thing to consider, if you have trouble creating HQ products to turn in at your current level, consider doing Levequests that are LOWER than your current level, and craft the easier-to-HQ items for that lower level. For example, if you struggle to HQ items for level 25 leves, do level 20 leves instead. HQ turn-ins for a level 20 leve will net you more experience than NQ turn-ins for level 25. And you should always strive to HQ - the more practice you get at this, the better!