Future Boss Fights

I am going to get crap for this, but must be said.

We have fights such as Leviathan, Bismarch, Ravana, ... Titan, Neverreap, etc
All these fights have edges were you can fall.

Yes I have fallen a few times, but the mechanic of falling off and staying dead the whole fight is not fun. You should be able to rejoin the fight via small mini game like alexander if you get sucked to the other field in burden of the father.

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Also frustrating is how often mobs "jump" like Ravana. Where you randomly loss target because of the phase. This needs to stop as well. Because games glitch all the time such as Bismarck and Garuda. When they "jump" sometimes they don't reappear.

And this hasn't been fixed yet. It happens alot less cause of how fast Garuda dies, but it does occur. Same with Bismarch.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I am going to get crap for this, but must be said.

We have fights such as Leviathan, Bismarch, Ravana, ... Titan, Neverreap, etc
All these fights have edges were you can fall.

Yes I have fallen a few times, but the mechanic of falling off and staying dead the whole fight is not fun. You should be able to rejoin the fight via small mini game like alexander if you get sucked to the other field in burden of the father.

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Sorry, but that's part of the challenge the fights present. There's an immediate danger that you know of and it's your responsibility to make sure you don't get blindsided by it.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Sorry, but that's part of the challenge the fights present. There's an immediate danger that you know of and it's your responsibility to make sure you don't get blindsided by it.

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I understand what you are saying, but what do say for those brief lag spikes. Such as titan, the height of his arena is what causes the lag because the game has to constantly register that the player is still on the platform.

Yes the new Primals don't have that same issue being much smaller falls height wise. But why should a lagging player be so heavily penalized?

This mechanic needs to go the most. Something else should be added instead.

Lol.Idek tbh, of all the complaints.
I personally am tired of the spread out, dodge circle, stack for soak, grab tether mechanics that are repeated (in various formats) in 100% of every boss fight
I cant wait for new primals where we /gasp/ dodge that circle aoe!!! So excite!.


As for your problems, ehh, you cant really design a fight according to a few peoples lag.As thats generally player side not server side. Plus it removes the point of the few fights that have it, if levi couldnt knock you off then you could spam aoe heals all day as thats really the only challenge etc

Getting knocked off adds a bit more danger to the fight. The mechanics for being knocked off as not that difficult to avoid lag excluded but it just means you need better internet usually or it's a low frame rate that people often mistake for lag in which case a better PC. Without those mechanics that knock you off fights like Titan would be a breeze. If you could res back after being knocked off it also makes it too easy.

The game as it is isn't that challenging it's made to be a one size fits all game but you need some level of challenge to content or it becomes boring.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I understand what you are saying, but what do say for those brief lag spikes. Such as titan, the height of his arena is what causes the lag because the game has to constantly register that the player is still on the platform.

Yes the new Primals don't have that same issue being much smaller falls height wise. But why should a lagging player be so heavily penalized?

This mechanic needs to go the most. Something else should be added instead.

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Source? As in, have you had direct access to their source code? How do you know that height is causing lag while registering player location? I work in software and dabble in game programming, and I cannot fathom how this would cause latency. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but to my knowledge, sending a packet to register spacial coordinates shouldn't suddenly bog down because your "Z" value is higher.

I would say it is more likely that rendering the terrain is causing framerate issues. They might not be culling the floor below the platform at all, or perhaps they actually can't. Either way, I've never once felt lag during Titan, and my overall latency is nothing stellar. My machine is rather beefy however.

So the real question is: If the recommended hardware isn't handling an encounter very well, why have they not addressed THAT issue? Unforgiving mechanics are how you add difficulty, so I disagree with your conclusion, but I do agree that there is a problem here.

If you get knocked off in any of those fights, it's your fault. Plain and simple. Getting knocked off in Ravana is next to impossible if you are even remotely awake.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

If you get knocked off in any of those fights, it's your fault. Plain and simple. Getting knocked off in Ravana is next to impossible if you are even remotely awake.

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I agree in the case of Ravana, but Titan is another problem. I know people who literally cannot dodge because of the slowdown they experience. I do not want the mechanic nerfed at all, I just think they might want to optimize the fight a little more. Make it run smoother on weaker hardware. Personally I find the fight to be extremely easy, but if I was unable to react fast enough due to technical limitations, I would be frustrated just like the OP.

Of course, that should have happened over a year ago now.

I remember when Titan HM has hard content and so many lag conspiracies were floating around over it.People refusing to accept they had bad ISP or badly specced pc.I love these fights with the falling mechanics.
I think the best solution would be to make players be able to res for any versions of these fights that were story related if they fall off.But for the harder non story versions if you fall you're dead and tough luck.

I struggle with the "don't fall off, you idiot" mechanics a lot so I sympathize. Titan EX and Leviathan EX especially cause me (and undoubtedly my poor party) a lot of frustration.

But like everyone is saying, that's just part of the fight. It's up to me to learn how to deal with that just like it's up to me to learn to avoid Landslides and Bodyslams. Making it all easier by ditching certain fight mechanics (unless those mechanics are super broken) is no fun just because a few of us hate it.

Because let me tell you... the moment I got the Titan EX rotation down and stopped falling off was a moment of triumphant for me. And because I finally learned to avoid it, we won! Dumbing that part down would have made that victory way less satisfying!

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

I think the best solution would be to make players be able to res for any versions of these fights that were story related if they fall off.But for the harder non story versions if you fall you're dead and tough luck.

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I think this is fair.

My internet used to be horrible and I would lag everywhere, but Titan EX always gave me problems regardless. I would see myself and others stand far away from landslide before it ever went off, and it would still hit. I eventually found a way to maneuver around it with lag, but this only ever happened to me in that fight.

Not saying we should need future boss fights or anything like that, though. Hard/EX should always be as unforgiving as possible.

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Originally Posted by MistralLevante

I would say it is more likely that rendering the terrain is causing framerate issues. They might not be culling the floor below the platform at all, or perhaps they actually can't. Either way, I've never once felt lag during Titan, and my overall latency is nothing stellar. My machine is rather beefy however.

So the real question is: If the recommended hardware isn't handling an encounter very well, why have they not addressed THAT issue? Unforgiving mechanics are how you add difficulty, so I disagree with your conclusion, but I do agree that there is a problem here.

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I agree with this, my wife could not dodge in titan hm a long time ago, and we were not sure why, tested ping and it was fine, and she never had problems dodging before. She had pretty decent frames in the game, but watching it I felt like her frame rate was dipping in that fight. So I went and upgeaded her computer and she cleared it first try.

what about....dont fall?

without the cliff titan would be easy. They should do something like if your group all falls off , than the fight moves to another area where the boss gets more buffs. That would mix things up a bit

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Originally Posted by PogueX

without the cliff titan would be easy. They should do something like if your group all falls off , than the fight moves to another area where the boss gets more buffs. That would mix things up a bit

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Actually avoiding the falling part of titan is easy as the only two things that knock you off is Land slides and when he lifts his foot up like a sumo wrestler, not sure how anyone really gets hit by either since both are obvious and really aren't that fast.. The lag feast of earth plumes or ignorance as to how bombs work is where most people fail at.

I'd actually say that the only threat of falling off is at Levi due to all the effects that happen at once while trying to flip the switch to the shield before Tidal wave goes off, not to mention that I've seen the thing that casts Dread Storm appear while the switch is up and ready to be turned on.

If we really want a fight where falling is a threat, they should re-make the FF11 diabolos fight and make the fading tiles more random and have that be the enrage timer. Also give him a some what obvious knock back move for tanks.

I actually like that you can fall in these fights. It adds challenge and isn't all that hard to avoid if you are paying attention. That being said, it can be quite annoying when a lot of people in your party are getting knocked out of the fight all the time.

Though I feel that even if they did stop using the falling mechanic, I am almost positive they would only replace it with another perma-removal mechanic, like "exile" or some such.