This game currently is too short sighted in keeping everyone happy by trying to make everybody relevant and outdating its gear with every new addition to force people into a carbon copied version of the same Tome Farming System...
Time to wake up FFXIV, you don't have to recreate the wheel here, your company made a great, albeit slow and less pretty version of the game you have now. While I'm not saying go back to farming NMs or camping Faf for 12+hrs just to not get claim and piss off your E.G. Shell, I am saying look at the systems that popularized the game (Nyzul, Neo-Dynamis, Salvage, Assaults, Campaign, Beseiged, Sea), the classes and how they interconnected and balanced one another, and start getting creative. Unless this game is designed to have only a 5 year run, stop trying so hard to be new that in actuality you're just being played out like every MMO before you.
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09-05-2015, 05:46 AMLilith_MerquiseDr. Yosheep and how I learned to love the RNG, New event/reward system?
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09-05-2015, 05:52 AMRisvertasashi
Balanced classes? You mean in that game where you have to be 1 of 5 jobs the community prefers of the 22 jobs available to do endgame... or they would rather spend hours shouting than take you?
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09-05-2015, 06:02 AMLilith_MerquiseI never said that FFXI had "Balanced Classes" and while its later less popular iteration of content made many more classes necessary for "Procing" in Abyssea or Voidwatch. What I'm saying is, stop trying to preserve every class by making all of them flat. Classes like BRD still getting the shaft and only really being brought for the possibility of using Mana/TP regen, but mostly to hit from range when boss zones out the melee dps to keep up with check. While having classes like WAR that make PLD basically obsolete in End Game Content. FFXI may not of been balanced, but at least it didn't pretend to be like this game does with its class system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
IF anything that is everything my post is arguing against is the desire to make every class relevant for all content at the cost of hindering other classes or newer ones. -
09-05-2015, 10:22 AMNadirah
So.. you're asking for niche content that isn't worth the investment time?
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09-05-2015, 10:42 AMLilith_Merquise
^^ I get that the intention was to be funny, but it falls flat when you don't source what you're refering to. Because I'm saying for there not to be content that is phased out so quickly as it currently is which would increase the value of your time investment in obtaining it. So if you're going to troll, be specific.
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09-05-2015, 05:01 PMSarealSo are you happy?Quote:
keeping everyone happy
It's time to wake up FFXIV? Or it's time for FFXIV to wake up? Or SE?Quote:
Time to wake up FFXIV, you don't have to recreate the wheel here
But I thought you said they were trying something new?Quote:
you're just being played out like every MMO before you.
I guess not then?Quote:
force people into a carbon copied version of the same Tome Farming System...
Look, I'm not trying to troll here, but perhaps I'm simply too "Short Sighted" to understand what you are talking about? Your post just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sorry. However, I played FFXI for 7 years and I personally can't agree on bringing back more features from it. I'm satisfied with the current system and overall experience. -
09-05-2015, 05:09 PMLilith_Merquise
I'll make this quick because I'm not in the mood for silly riddles that don't address the topic at all.
1. Yes I'm happy with how classes operate to an extent but the route this game is taking on aquiring gear that defeats the purpose of previous gear. Also not committing to supports having strong utility out of fear that they will become necissary as opposed to being optional.
2. This is pure semantics, the point is SE stop pandering to the lowest common denominator, people that play this game should be able to handle more then just a pigeon holed role.
3. I said, "Stop TRYING so hard to be new..." I'm not saying it shouldn't take a new approach but I'm saying stop trying to reinvent the wheel here. There is perfectly good systems that this company has created for loot and it basically harness none of them simply to say "We're FFXIV not FFXI" even though that same thinking is what lead to no chocobos and no marketboards.
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09-05-2015, 05:16 PMSarealThat's how you perceive it. It doesn't make it the truth. Riddles? I could say the same about your post. If your so hostile towards others disagreeing or trying to understand your point of view, why would you even come here and post?Quote:
I'll make this quick because I'm not in the mood for silly riddles that don't address the topic at all.
Welcome to the club? That's exactly what I'm trying to tell you. I don't understand what you are talking about at all. Explain, don't act like the world is against you. Is it such a sin to admit that I am overly confused by your post?Quote:
4. No idea what you're trying to say here...
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09-05-2015, 05:39 PMPence
Are you trying to ask for more variety in content, and less vertical - more horizontal progression?
I'm not even sure if you're talking about FFXI with this one. Balance was non-existent, and if you're not aware how XIV jobs compliment and enhance each other....well....Quote:
the classes and how they interconnected and balanced one another
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09-05-2015, 09:06 PMIsalaUnless you're a monk. Then screw you. Because the only thing a monk enhances (outside of Mantra) is another monk. Of course, this wouldn't be an issue if we had another class that also had blunt damage, or if Delirium actually acted like Dragon Kick completely. But, hey, there's always hope for 4.0 bringing in a blunt DPS, or Tank, or something in the 60-? range giving monk, something, ANYTHING that has synergy with another class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pence
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09-05-2015, 09:36 PMKaiser-AceA hammer wielding tank would work as blunt dammage. Or a quater staff Dps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Isala
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09-05-2015, 09:43 PMKaiser-Ace
As for the OP,
What exactly do you perpose they do?
You've stated the problem now whats the perposed answer?
We have FF11's NMs/HNMs (Hunts), we have FATEs, PvP, Dungeons, Raids, Gathering, Crafting, and all classes have support skills built in so a dedicated "Support" class isn't needed.
I don't see a problem with the system because the way itnis now is just below my tolerance for grinding since I can level a class to max in around a few weeks to a month and still be good to go as soon as I equip some high lvl gear.
Me personally, I never played 11 but I did play 1.0 and plenty of my friends have said 11 was WORSE than 1.0.
So if that's the case, please keep Vana'diel as far away from Eorzea as possible. -
09-06-2015, 12:27 AMDererk
Outside the current raid we don't have any end game content. I'm sorry I mean good end game content.
Once you get to 60 on your main job unless your leveling another your just siting around doing duty finder. And I friking hate duty finder. We need real open world end game content or at lest content that won't have to be dumb down for duty finder because you know they do. Yes sure we have savage Alexander but it's just a redone coil with a different look different bosses and the same 4 separate short instances. -
09-06-2015, 02:58 AMPence
So we know what you don't like (DF), and that you don't like instances. Perhaps say what you do want, specifically?
Anything in open world needs to be dumbed down to hunt/FATE level (Which is even lower level than DF....). Which means the rewards need be in line with them. The game is in no way designed for meaningful content - putting an 'actual' fight in open world? RIP PS3 or low end PC users.
There is airship exploration coming to (hopefully) add something new and exciting, along with the new 24m. -
09-06-2015, 03:21 AMKaiser-AceThats why I'm leveling crafting like crazy. Im the only member of my FC to low level to help with the ship. Now that I beat all 13 levels of coil, All of the EX Primals, Alaxander Normal (not interested in savage), the three CTs, and the Zodiak Weapon Quest, All I have till 3.1 are crafting, gathering, lvling Alt Classes, finishing my beast tribe quests, and getting the Air Ship built.Quote:
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09-06-2015, 05:00 PMLilith_Merquise(chopped due to text limitations but I agree entirely with your post)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dererk
Thank you, ding ding ding to the one that gets it. That or at last challenging systems that are not "Grind DF for Tomes" system. The fact that the only way to get anywhere in this game in E.G. is Dungeon grinding or doing Alex Coils (yes the point is that they are essentially the same system with a different feel and tweaked mechanics). Again for those that say I'm stating a problem and no solution, I again point to content like Salvage, Nyzul Isle, Neo Dynamis, and Assaults. Sure they were not exactly E.G. (some more so then others) but the content was challenging, enjoyable, and varied the experience when you did these events to which you had to be on your toes about. Not half a sleep rolling it like current content is now (excluding the artificial difficulty that is A1S). -
09-06-2015, 05:09 PMLilith_MerquiseSigh....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sareal
Problem: Current game content (specifically Disciple of War/Magic) is dry and boring because it is the same systems we have used since 2.0, and nothing other then the skins of the content has changed and names, so it requires a change. Currently players are really only using Dungeons for Roulettes and Raids for Alex with the occasional Trials for glamor, but everytime you run the content, it is the same, with no variation.
Hypothesis: If we make game content that is varied and challenging, even if we do it 100x, it won't be so face-rolly. I.E. Nyzul, Neo Dynamis, Salvage, Assaults. Great challenging content that varied everytime you did it (if you ran 3 runs of any event listed it was not the same experience and had slightly different mechanics to make each one unique). -
09-06-2015, 10:23 PMKaiser-Ace
While that sounds good on paper, It'd die quickly to the old system as "Fun and Varried" is subjective and typically makes something difficult to farm so it either becomes faceroll easy to compensate for semi-randomness or it stays in a constant pattern that can be practiced, Memorized, and mastered.
It's literally Frontlines vs Turn 9 here.
Also, you do know this is the FIRST EXPANTION right? 3.1 isnt even out yet. How much endgame do you think there waa when Titan EX and T5 were the oy endgame challange in 2.0? Be patient, 3.1 is suppose to have alot if stuff to do.
And again, why compair FF14 to FF11? FF11's director is why 1.0 crashed and burned. So to me FF14 should follow FF11 as little as possible.
Oh and RNG=Bad. Always. That is objective fact. -
09-12-2015, 04:07 PMEnyalios
As far as end game content goes some sideways progression wouldn't hurt. Everything the game is about is Alexander. I wouldn't wish the pain that is the FFXI grind on anyone, though that is one of the things that gave a sense of achievement from the game.
However with that said, if we could take anything from the game it would be versatility and choice of end game content.
Those who didn't enjoy dynamis or limbus did sea and Sky. Those who didn't like those did Einherjar and salvage. Of course there were people who did everything! This would bring a varied set of gear and looks or glamours.
The negative I can see from this is that there's always the players set "best in slot" and to aquire it would mean doing every piece of content the game offers. -
09-12-2015, 07:31 PMSekuSimple fix. Add in time gates and only allow the fights to be done once a week. As that and over bloated stats that enforced large groups is what kept FF11's end game around for so long and it would have even the world first probably still stuck on AS3. As the only reason why content is blown through is due to the ability to continually re-try it right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise
IE:
Kirin took hours to farm up pre-reg items.
You could only enter Nyzule isle x amount of times per x amount of days.
You could only do one floor of Limbus once a week ( I forget.)
But I do think they could add more end game. But I don't think they will since the game was made for casuals, not hard core players.
. None of the things you mention were actually a challenge in 11 and were in fact just like DF, the only reason it wouldn't seem like it is because most people in 11 did them with pre-made groups and you were time gated. But I understand the lack of variety. and really ff14 and ff11 go about their end game the same way. Do event -> Max out tomes ( hope to get something in 11) -> Wait till reset. No real difference between the two other than the speed in which you obtain the item and the frequency that you can enter into the events either through irl time or a .01 drop off a random mob.
But as I was saying before, I do agree they could add in more varied events other than run through dungeon, kill three bosses.
They could probably actually use the current leve system for maxed out characters and bring interesting content into the game through it. Like 30-40 points for a key item that spawns a boss or allows entrance into an instance dungeon. -
09-13-2015, 05:01 PMfm_fenrirWorked identically to XIV endgame content. You did them on lockout, got a token or item for the lockout period, and then waited until the timer was up again. Worse, sometimes you got nothing and still got locked out . Dynamis currency, anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise
I would guess that they intended temple leves to be more in the vein of Assault, given the elevator pitch for them, but that didn't really execute as well as I would have expected. I wouldn't mind seeing Assault's region-specific armory/glamour concept brought back so those leves that are currently collecting dust could be put to good use. There's legitimately no reason to use a leve allowance as a combat class because even as melee dps filth your DF queue timer is way better XP/hr than doing any levequests...