Hello, I've come back to the forums after putting a list of parts together using pcpartpicker, Logical Increments and input from players and here it is!!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Y6xmTW
Its a low end gaming PC but I'm hoping that with this system i will be able to play with great fps at 1920x1080. i would like to have more detail/effects on but my biggest concern is High FPS and maintaining the resolution i want.
If anyone could look and the build and give input, if any parts would be better for the price or anything glaring that I made a mistake on ^^;.
If i get some good reviews from fellow players and PC builders i will start buying the parts slowly and hopefully be building in two weeks! i cant wait cause this laptop is killing me.... had to retire ninja until i get a PC that doesn't get overran in group content :(
First Gaming Rig
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09-05-2015, 01:53 AMSavageRicoFirst Gaming Rig
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09-05-2015, 02:06 AMTouchandFeel
You should be able to run at that resolution with a decent frame rate, you wont be able to max out settings though, but should be able to run at "Desktop High" settings with acceptable frame rates.
If anything, I would get another set of the same RAM so you are at least running with 16gb.
Oh and get a decent CPU cooler, its not a good idea to use the stock cooler if building a gaming rig. -
09-05-2015, 02:14 AMSavageRicoSo buy an extra fan to instal in the unit and more ram? sounds like a plan because i was unsure what cooling was needed or when you need to add extra fansQuote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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09-05-2015, 02:14 AMUltimateAoe2No reason for 16. 8GB is enough. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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09-05-2015, 02:19 AMOblitae
Agreeing here, don't think you need 16GB if you're just playing games. 8GB is the sweet spot. I have 32GB and it seemingly makes no difference for games from the previous 8GB.
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09-05-2015, 02:40 AMSavageRicoSir the best reason i can give is i am a noob on building ^^; I wasnt sure what slots or how many were needed and i noticed from your post it is micro lol... can you suggest another mid size for the same pric epoint? or if it being micro will hold me back?Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
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09-05-2015, 03:12 AMNoxiferIt's mostly that microATX are intended for when you want a smaller case, and usually don't offer as many component slots and/or make it trickier to fit said components to it due to the lack of size. Which means that if you go with it, then decide to upgrade your RAM, it might be a cumbersome process to switch them because other components are in the way. And it might mean that you can't go with an upgraded CPU cooler instead of the one shipped with the CPU because there's no room for it -- like others have said, those are often not powerful enough for a gaming rig, which decreases the life of your CPU. Plus they are often louder than 'custom' CPU coolers. Custom CPU coolers, on the other hand, are often a lot larger than the stock coolers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageRico
I did a quick search on the site you linked, by selecting the parameters from your linked MB (socket, chipset, number of sata 6gb, onboard 3.0, RAM 32gb) plus "form factor ATX", and got a list of 12 different MBs =) Sure, the prices go up a bit, but the cheapest ones on the list are only $10-15 or so more than the one you'd picked, so it's not much of an increase. I'm not an expert, so I can't really make any comments regarding the various brands and their reliability, but I've had both ASRock and GigaByte MBs before without issues and they've all survived way beyond their "market value" (as in, technology advances made them obsolete; they didn't break down).
Best of luck with your build! =D -
09-05-2015, 03:20 AMMetabug
Remove Windows from the list. -83$
1) Install Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 from MSDN ISO (running in trial mode without activation).
2) Do magic (Exact incantation skipped because... reasons)
3) Upgrade to Windows 10 for free. Your temporary activation will turn into permanent one.
Replace GTX 960 with GTX 970. +115$
You'll be able to run most of the games on Ultra in fullhd at really high fps.
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09-05-2015, 03:26 AMKaedrianLiangThe 970 has double the memory bandwidth, along with justified performance increase on all other performance values. Get the 970.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metabug
the "70" in the 970 means its the biggest bang for your buck. "80" you are entering the realm of paying a premium. 960 and lower are really entry level and should only be considered if you are playing an older game. -
09-05-2015, 03:32 AMRisvertasashi
And so you go from budget to performance. Hope you enjoy the rig; it will be nice.
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09-05-2015, 03:34 AMSavageRico
Thank you i will look at it on break and put up another build with the correct board to get feedback ^^b
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09-05-2015, 03:36 AMSavageRicoi have no idea how to do this MSDN ISO but i will look into it if it can save me money on a OS i dont really wantQuote:
Originally Posted by Metabug
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09-05-2015, 03:36 AMUltimateAoe2Sorry! haha, I just looked at the rig and thats about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageRico
It's just a smaller motherboard that is intended for smaller cases, ^^b.
This is a similar model to the one I have (I have the MARK1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-561-_-Product
Should fit in the mid-tower well. Other than that, I think there's an option on pcpartpicker that lets you search for the regular motherboards (LGA 1150)
Like others are suggesting, Get a GTX 970 IF you have the funds for it. c: -
09-05-2015, 04:01 AMTouchandFeel
As Noxifer pointed out, the main difference between MicroATX and ATX is size. Basic performance will be the same, but the space everything is crammed in as well as the number of things like expansion slots will most likely be smaller.
As this is your first build, go with ATX as the extra space will probably make it a bit easier for you to work with.
Most of the main hardware manufacturers make good stuff and the biggest difference in performance/quality will be between models, so find one you may be interested in and read lots of reviews on it, both user and professional.
As for the 8gb vs. 16gb debate, it depends.
If you are pretty much just using this rig to play FF14, then yeah 8gb is enough as long as you don't go crazy with multitasking. If you are going to be doing a lot of multitasking while gaming, then you may want more. Also keep in mind that we are starting to see games come out now that have 8gb under recommended specs , but can push past that fairly easily with just basic multitasking.
The reason I recommended upgrading to 16gb is because its cheap and gives you headroom that you may need, or not. That will depend on your own personal usage.
Me personally, I chew through 8gb easy, but I also run everything at QHD resolution or 4k, run max settings, do a lot of image editing and use a lot of power hungry memory hogs of software.
So is "8gb is enough" gospel like many people like to say? IMO, no. For many people it will be enough, but mileage will vary upon usage.
If the extra $40 is questionable to you, get the 8gb and monitor your memory usage while gaming and how you would normally use your computer. If you start getting close to 8gb of usage, then upgrade to more. Otherwise you can just stick with the 8gb.
However, if you do switch to a 970 instead of the 960 as others recommended (I agree, the 970 are best bang for your buck), then you can probably just stick with the 8gb as the extra 1.5gb+.5gb of dedicated video RAM will be a much bigger performance boost for gaming and will help minimize the need for more system RAM.
One more thing, when you select your CPU Heatsink, check to see if it comes with thermal paste. If not, make sure to get some or else you won't be able to use the heatsink.
Edit: Out of curiosity, why the ssd and separate hdd? Do you plan to install the OS on the ssd and games on the hdd? If so, is Steam your main PC gaming portal (no pun intended)? -
09-05-2015, 04:36 AMRaidenz
hyper 212 evo for your processor. I haven't even looked at your parts list.....just get that cooler lol.
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09-05-2015, 04:42 AMTouchandFeelThat's actually a very good cooler for the price ($31 on Amazon), just make sure your case can fit it which shouldn't be a problem for most mid-atx cases or bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raidenz
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09-05-2015, 04:44 AMSavageRicohttps://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler...r-rr212e20pkr2Quote:
Originally Posted by Raidenz
Is this the correct fan? -
09-05-2015, 04:45 AMSavageRico
I want the 970 but i dont think ill be able to, (really nervous about not getting a copy of windows, never downloaded it before)
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09-05-2015, 04:59 AMRisvertasashi
Hmm. Just FYI you've been letting people talk you into a bunch of upgrades over the course of your last few threads. If you're OK with that, fine, just be aware of what's happening.
Also, I only use stock coolers unless I want to overclock or if the CPU has a particular reputation for running hot (check its reviews). Stock coolers are fine, generally. -
09-05-2015, 06:20 AMTouchandFeel
I don't believe we have talked him/her into "a bunch of upgrades".
We suggested a standard ATX sized mobo over a microATX, which is beneficial for a first time builder as it has things more spaced out and therefore is easier to put together.
We also suggested getting a 970 over a 960 as that will be a noticeable performance increase for not too much money. This one is actually an upgrade.
The memory suggestion was a tentative maybe, with a start with 8gb and get more if you end up needing it.
Lastly was the CPU heatsink, which you may get by "okay ...ish" with stock , but stock coolers are pretty much always louder, suffer from greater instances of fan failure and tend to be worse with case airflow set ups which cause greater heat build up inside the case which causes increased temps for all your components. Most cases have a forward to back airflow (front intake, back exhaust). Stock only tend to blow straight down onto the heatsink or pull up from it, flowing perpendicular to the established airflow of the case, hence the greater heat build up.
This one was also an upgrade.
That is only two upgrades that have been highly recommended and both for very good reason.
OP, if you can't afford the 970 right now, I would suggest waiting just a little bit to build your comp so you can afford it, it'll be much better in the long-term for you.
In the end it's a "you get what you pay for" situation and you just need to decide what you really want to end up with and how you can get that or something close to it.
Lastly, these are all only suggestions on what you should do, in the end just make the decision that you feel is right for you. -
09-05-2015, 06:36 AMSavageRicoYour right, i have been taking all the advice given and to be honest, its overwhelming for someone who only has used a pc for basic school work and internet use. After the premades were shot down for some part issues i looked into building a rig to make sure Im getting something worth the money, im still adjusting the rig like the 960 or 970 card (the card im still not sure about)) So im hoping to gather as much info so i can start buying parts. i have already ordered the case and the 8GB of ram and SSD, but untill then i want input on possible CPU/GPU/MOBO and power supply combos for just playing at 1980x1020 with normal settings, dont care for shadows but i would like to see other peoples moves instad of nothing like its on now. FPS wise i want over 40 if possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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09-05-2015, 06:49 AMTouchandFeelHonestly, if that is all your looking to get, it would really just be cheaper to get a PS4 to play on, even with buying PS4 copies of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageRico
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09-05-2015, 06:54 AMSavageRicoAfter playing FFXI on console (both ps2 and xbox) i dont want to go that route againQuote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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09-05-2015, 07:14 AMTouchandFeel
FX11 was crap on PS2 and Xbox, I remember that.
FF14 on the other hand runs amazingly well on PS4 (I have it on both PC and PS4 and they both link to your same account). It's about the same performancewise as a mid-level PC.
I did a comparison between my old gaming laptop that was running an i7 processor and a gtx680m gpu and the PS4 version, and I could barely tell the difference.
The only real drawback to the PS4 version is if you want to use specialized peripherals, like an MMO mouse or gamepad, those tend to not work because they require special software. A standard plug and play USB mouse and keyboard or even Bluetooth ones will work (although I experienced some lag with the Bluetooth connections). -
09-05-2015, 07:18 AMSavageRicoThats my main issue, i have a razr naga from wow that i can imagen not playing with. PS4 is not an opition at all. Im sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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09-05-2015, 07:38 AMNoxiferOh, it can be very overwhelming, trying to figure out what parts you need and which parts do what when it comes to "gaming horsepower". It can be a lot easier just to find a place that specialize in computers and buy something ready-made that's labelled "gaming pc". But the good thing with building one yourself (apart from not needing to go "oooh, this looks good *read through specs* oh, damn, it hasn't got that one thing I wanted" on several of them) is that it's often a lot cheaper than a ready-made one =)Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageRico
Like people have said, the RAM isn't an immediate issue; you can always get more RAM sticks later. Just try to get the same type (or at least same size and same Mhz), since they work better with each other than if they're not.
The GPU can be good to go the little extra mile on. Me and my flatmate recently upgraded our GPUs. Of course, the difference between our old GPUs (Radeon 7870 and 6870 respectively) and the new ones (GTX980) was bigger, but we more than tripled our benchmark scores with just that upgrade alone.
Looking at videocardbenchmark.net, the 980 has a score of ~9,700, 970 has a score of ~8,600 and the 960 has a score of just below 6,000, so the difference between 970 and 960 is bigger than between 980 and 970. In fact, both GTX 770 and 780 score higher than the 960. (That site can over-all be a good help when you're trying to decide which parts to get -- it also has lists for CPUs, Hard drives and RAM -- and how much you gain/lose by choosing a newer or older CPU/GPU related to how much money you'd spend/save.)
One word of warning, though: I've heard that many people experience lower performance in FFXIV with the 970 than with lower-performing cards (which is why me and my flatmate decided to splurge on two 980s instead), so you might want to look that up first.
As for OS, you might want to consider looking at OEM license Win7 (or 8 if you prefer that OS). It's legal -- if borderline, since they're intended for companies who sell those ready-made, pre-installed PCs -- and often a lot cheaper than non-OEM licenses, and other than the packaging there's no real difference between them other than what kind of support you get from Microsoft if something goes wrong (since with OEM you're supposed to get your support from the company that sold you the PC).
And the drawback of going with a console is (apart from giving up gaming mice/keyboards) is that you can't tab out and look things up while playing, and sharing links/youtube videos or other fun facts with your party/FC/linkshell is trickier, since you can't copy-paste but have to re-type it by hand ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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09-05-2015, 07:39 AMTouchandFeel
If it is one of the pre- Naga 2014 models that has the onboard memory, people have reported that and the Logitech g600 mice as working on the PS4 but the keypads default to the 1 through = keys.
Haven't tested it myself though.
Again, as a I said before, make the decision that you feel is best for you. Myself and others are just trying to provide you with information so you can get the performance you want for the $ you can afford.
@Noxifer
The whole lower performance on 970's thing, it wasn't so much that they performed worse it was that people thought they should perform better than they were. The why this is has to do with how the gpu RAM allocation is setup. Its not a singular 4gb chunk like it says it is, its a 3.5gb chunk plus another 0.5gb separate chunk of slower memory. This caused issues with some people when the would try to run games at max settings and at 4k resolution. They would use up the 3.5gb and start to dip into the slower 0.5gb which would result in visual stuttering and hitching for some people. Outside of scenarios like that, there weren't any issues. Also Nvidia kind of got burnt at the stake for that and have been working on improvements to the RAM allocation to make the separate .5gb RAM not, or at least less of an issue. Iirc, they said they were going to just allocate the .5gb for firmware storage, that way the 3.5gb of faster RAM is dedicated solely to graphical processing, therefore improving performance by more effective resource allocation.
I did a lot of research on this issue because it was a big thing when I was building my current comp. I ended up going with dual oc'd 970's in SLI and I have had no performance issues.
The gtx970 is still way better than the 960.
However if this game is really the only one that is going to be extensively played and only with mid-level settings, a gtx960 will be enough. -
09-05-2015, 09:42 AMSavageRico
Wow i didnt think it would be that far of a gap between 960 and 970.... if i just get my current build with the 970 card, i should bbe set. if im gonna spent 200+ on the GPU i should just wait and get the 970 to not have to worry about FPS issues.
So with the input i got this is:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpzdVn
this is with the normal sized MOBO a 970 card. not sure if its a good one or not because there were so many 4GB cards and brands......
the SSD is for OS, FFXIV and WoW, everything else if possible will be on the HDD (got to research how to do that as well)
I dont want to pay for windows 8 at all. i find it gross that win7 is more expensive then 8, like they know of the mistake they made but i have never downloaded a OS nor now how to get a code.
i will say you guys/gals are so knowleadgeable that just having this back and forth over my last posts have given me so much more incite into this wonderful building