I don't understand some people in this game/rant...

So this will just be my rant thread so run if you don't want to hear my qq but there was a 60 Healer in my group in Cutter's Cry and I was on my lower level character, my bard.

Here we go/ Brace yourselves: !


Anyhow the tank is new and the healer is spamming medica. Then has the audacity to put in party chat to the tank who is obviously having threat issues that he needs to re-roll his class because he is bad. For he can't hold threat etc.

Normally I mind my own business but as a fellow healer I can't stay silent with these types of people. If it's obvious that they are the ones playing bad and for them to get on someone whose trying to do their job. Mind you between this the tank is APOLOGIZING because he doesn't understand that it's not their fault and whm is telling him to leave the instance.

So automatically in my eyes this white mage became are a class A Douche. Pardon my language if I offend anyone.

So I tell him maybe he shouldn't Medica so much as he should know and I bet darn sure he does, but just trying to be that guy. But let's say he doesn't and is innocent.

We get to the 2nd boss, and everyone is dying to dot. I ask whm if he can esuna. No response at all. After boss he says to me directly. I won't heal you. I laugh because he spams medica next trash pull. So much for that even though I don't have hate anyways - he does.

So we get to last boss. I tell tank to watch out for blue eyes. WHM scoffs. Tank dodges every single one, which tells me the tank is a good tank. WHM is obviously a douche. Again sorry for my language.

So around 10% the chimera casts violet eyes spams, and whm dies to the paralyze he couldn't esuna off himself. Also to the fact he can't dodge. Tank eventually dies as melee and I kite it like a boss, and win.

Wow I used a hi-potion - twice. But let me tell you, whm in party chat when I scrolled up after I left. (Was curious if they chatted while I kited and they did.) Was super negative and blammed tank for moving the boss when he dodged the blue eyes for his death! What!?

I was so happy when the tank replied, "It's not me, It's you. I'm sorry bae." HAHA.
GG. I'm so happy I commed the guy.

Should have told the WHM to go back to WoW. Sounds like he needs a super simplistic MMO in his life and needs to stop making other MMO communities horrible.

While WoW did have a notorious record for slamming on new players. I don't think this needs to be brought up as a debate on the matter. (As I played wow for 7 years - but I came out okay for the most part? I hope 0.o ;; ) To me if a person is going to be rude, it doesn't matter the game they are just going to be that way. It still doesn't mean I understand them any better though. lol

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

While WoW did have a notorious record for slamming on new players. I don't think this needs to be brought up as a debate on the matter. (As I played wow for 7 years - but I came out okay for the most part? I hope 0.o ;; ) To me if a person is going to be rude, it doesn't matter the game they are just going to be that way. It still doesn't mean I understand them any better though. lol

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I think the comment was directly less at the toxicity of the WoW community, and more to the point that the game has become so one-dimensional and homogenized that now you can literally sit there and just press one button and successfully heal a dungeon while standing in anything and everything ignoring mechanics. Coming to this game from WoW without having played 1.0-2.3 or any other MMO, a player could easily think that all MMOs are built that way, which could also be why WoW is bleeding subs atm even after their xpac announcement

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Originally Posted by ElanVelius

I think the comment was directly less at the toxicity of the WoW community, and more to the point that the game has become so one-dimensional and homogenized that now you can literally sit there and just press one button and successfully heal a dungeon while standing in anything and everything ignoring mechanics. Coming to this game from WoW without having played 1.0-2.3 or any other MMO, a player could easily think that all MMOs are built that way, which could also be why WoW is bleeding subs atm even after their xpac announcement

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Ahh, make sense. o/

Yeah players like this really erk me. For one, this is a leveling dungeon, so not knowing your class to it's fullest is perfectly acceptable here.

two, at that level the healer should have been prepared for such things when doing a roulette (I can only assume) never mind the medica spam, but the sheer lack of understanding is what gets me. I mean, how do you get to level cap and STILL have no patience for this kind of thing?!

I understand it can be frustrating when you are stuck in a dungeon for a long time because some players "aren't getting it" but refusing to heal someone because they disagreed with you, isn't speeding up the process. I would much rather these kind of people simply leave the dungeon, because even with the penalty, things will go smoother in the long run for both parties in a lot of cases.

Ya, I've had a few Medica2 Spammers in my life, which is annoying when Adds spawn far off from the battle, and it's not possible to wait at their spawn location, Leading to a few ticks of AoE regen building up massive threat, on top of their continued AoE spam.

And for some reason, EVERY SINGLE GOD D*MN TIME, they seem to always blame the tank. (Even if that tank never has any issues with the same content, but different healers.)

But usually its the DPS, so I almost welcome the healer being the prick for once.

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Originally Posted by Kemosobe

Should have told the WHM to go back to WoW. Sounds like he needs a super simplistic MMO in his life and needs to stop making other MMO communities horrible.

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Wow has nothing to do with the bad attitude of the whm, absolutely nothing!!! those from other ff games are just as terrible.

At any rate op I commend you for at least trying to point out that he was wrong. GOOD JOB :)

The attitudes of some are just sick tbh BUT it is equally bad in every other game and also in our pf groups.

Yeah, that was just a horrible situation to be in, OP. If anything, the main thing that irks me is a WHM spamming Medica throughout a dungeon constantly drawing aggro to themselves.

A) It makes the healer in danger of dying.
B) It makes it MUCH more difficult for the tank to draw Aggro(unless Provoke is up).
C) It isn't smooth.

Usually whenever I start, I check their levels. If they're synced(or have a 60 in another class and are unsynced) then I expect them to do good at their job unless they just don't have a great overall idea of it. Only then do I give advice.

Wow. I would have kicked the healer right before the boss and asked my FC to replace them.

The tank sounded like a trooper, right until you said he used the word "bae".

At that point I would have politely vomited on his sabatons.

;)

Haha this was a great story. Cutter's Cry seems to be the bane of my existence too. Most of my awful dungeon experiences have come from that dungeon. Whenever Leveling Roulette gives it to me I cry a little.

That WHM sure was terrible. Sometimes I wonder how people like that make it so far in the game.

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Originally Posted by OfTheWhitewind

Sometimes I wonder how people like that make it so far in the game.

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By being carried while whining at the people carrying them.

I'll bet that if that WHM was in a burning building and a fireman was carrying them to safety, they'd whine that the fireman was doing it wrong and should get a real job.

/ac "Medica"
/wait 25.0
/ac "Medica"
/wait 25.0

Job done

FATE grinding has created many mindless high lvl players who barely know anything and usually are carried by better player when tome farming. The whm mentioned reminds me of that kind of player.

Just anyother day in DF, lower your expectation then lower it again.

Sounds just like me when I just didn't know any better until I met a Tank in there who has a whm as main class teaching me how to do it.

Healers like that (me included for a while) are just the result of the easy fate leveling. This can be said for practiclty every job though.

maybe the healer doesn't know his class as well as he thinks

I learned the hard way from my AST never cast AOE heal to start a fight cause you will get argo , and don't cast the Regan spell (whatever its called for AST) or you will get Argo and make your tank mad

Not knowing ones class perfectly while still leveling is excusable to an extent. Being hostile when advice is not. Due community being what it is, some people can get pretty far before someone stops to point out some more or less serious faults in their play.

As someone who main tanks, when ever i play DPS or healer i often see new tanks, and how rude people are to them... I mean come on, this guy is NEW you can clearly tell by his gear. i often like to give him some tips but sometimes i just rage and tear a new one to who ever is going at the tank. If its a new guy, Why in heavens name would you be so rude? Cause its noticeable? He loses hate? Or his gear isn't up-to-date, It might not be AS noticeable you $!@$ but you're not doing the best you can on your class either i then respond.

Seriously, and people used to wonder why there (Still is? ) a tank shortage. I love my insta-queues i just feel bad for the newer tanks who get stomped into the ground often.

I alternate between Healing and Tanking, I wouldn't have put up with this kupo-head.

Anyone whom tries to better themselves will always have my full support. We all were new once and due to that i have no problem helping new players.
I had a group(3 new sprouts) once in Stone Vigil that just could not for the life of them dodge the AOE of the final boss, but they tried so hard, took in all advice and did their best.
We didn't make it because the dungeon timed out. Nobody complained, nobody was salty and even though we failed we had a good time.

It is often the elitist snobs or the bad players which are the ones being salty about everything in my opinion.
Basically the best is to often ignore these kinds of people. They do not offer constructive criticism (Keep in mind the way you say things matter!) nor do they contribute to the group.
If someone has constructive criticism (in a friendly way) and tries to help you become a better player there is no issue what-so-ever.

Give a sprout a chance, they will grow into fine players one day. As a community we should nurture and help these players improve instead of bashing on them for not knowing everything at once. They in turn will help the generations of sprouts after them and overall the community will change into the better for it.

Reminds me of all the WHMs back in titan HM days, tumult>double med 2 for some reason, by the 2nd or 3rd tumult they have agro and blamed me every time. Loved when I went in with WHM friends though and another whm as the other healer, whm friend would always be the one calling them out on it, though back then everyone was new so stupid play was pretty commonplace.