Will A3S/A4S be sellable before 3.2 hits?

Whats your guess? Or do you have to kill the content properly this time to access the next tier of raid from day 1 which comes with 3.2

no1 knows , maybe killing alexander floor 8 in normal is enough to let u enter alex savage F5.

in 3.2 ppl will be full 210 , even if they didnt enter alex savage , just esoterics gear + 3.1 way to upgrade it (weekly raid quest is my guess) ...

alex savage wont receive nerfs or echo afaik :p

Oh well, I really hope A4S must be cleared in order to enter the next savage Tier

Has it been confirmed that the next 'high' raid will require completion of A4 or A4S at all? Just because it worked that way with coil doesn't necessarily mean it'll be the same this time. We turned Alexander off, after all.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Has it been confirmed that the next 'high' raid will require completion of A4 or A4S at all?

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Did you read the quests? Its a linear questline. The new quests will continue, where the recent quests ended.

A4S finished for access A5S, we will see. But I expect this. For A1S there were 2 requirements: Finished Alex normal Story and finished Ultima HM.

A4S doesn't seem possible to sell in my opinion. A3S? Yes, definitly.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

no1 knows , maybe killing alexander floor 8 in normal is enough to let u enter alex savage F5.

in 3.2 ppl will be full 210 , even if they didnt enter alex savage , just esoterics gear + 3.1 way to upgrade it (weekly raid quest is my guess) ...

alex savage wont receive nerfs or echo afaik :p

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I think both will be required.
Clearing normal Alex2 and Alex1 savage 4 to unlock Alex2 Savage

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Originally Posted by Metterschlingel

Whats your guess? Or do you have to kill the content properly this time to access the next tier of raid from day 1 which comes with 3.2

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I hope, i need empty a few pockets and fill mine :D

it is possible now. just have somewhat geared character and let the seller log on to your account for the kill so they can do proper dps/mechanics.
i imagine people will wait to sell for now tho. at least until everyone has their loot/mount.

The cleaning of A4S will surely be a condition to enter A5S savage as long as the cleaning of A8.
BUTT, they will probably break the fact that you need to do A1S, A2S and A3S to reach A4S.

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

it is possible now. just have somewhat geared character and let the seller log on to your account for the kill so they can do proper dps/mechanics.
i imagine people will wait to sell for now tho. at least until everyone has their loot/mount.

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Account sharing is no legitimate option for kill selling (I know it is done, ...), I'm speaking of proper kill sells (7-manning the fight).

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

Did you read the quests? Its a linear questline. The new quests will continue, where the recent quests ended.

A4S finished for access A5S, we will see. But I expect this. For A1S there were 2 requirements: Finished Alex normal Story and finished Ultima HM.

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I'm sorry, I'm not an uber raider and haven't been in Savage yet, so no, I did not read those quests on account of not having done them. A4 seemed to me to be pretty conclusive for Alexander, but maybe I misunderstood it. No need to get all aggressive about it.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

A4 seemed to me to be pretty conclusive for Alexander

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A4 was many things, but not conclusive. The last dialog stated "we prepare for the next an hope you will be there, when it begins."

Honestly, A3S is probably already sellable for some groups.

there is a big difference this time. and i am actually pretty sure savage a4s clear wont be needed to access a5s. the reasons :

people complained back then with coil that clearing the old (outdated) raid content was very hard to do because nobody did it anymore. this would be WAY worse this time with the current difficulty. echo wouldnt slove this. it didnt last time either. was one of the biggest complaints its also quite silly to block out new raiders that just got the game from the current endgame by this method. and saying BUY the kill is just plain bullshit and wrong game design.

the second reason : on coil there was ALWAYS this single quest after finishing the final turn which then blocked the NEW quest for the next arc.

for savage tough : THERE IS NO QUEST at the end this time. another indicator that we might not need it to access the next tier.


nobody knows for sure yet tough. so we have to wait and see. 3.2 wont be released until end of january 2016. so its still a good while till then. currently everything is a GUESS.

saying its gonna be the same because it was like that in 2.0 doesnt mean anything. HW changed a lot of these things. for example eso weapons dont require clearing raid content anymore etc. and not all of 2.0 was GOOD either. that roadblock turn pissed many people off. and thats ok. no other game i know blocks new players out of current endgame raids by requiring the old raid to be finished. it maybe required some gear level but never forced new people trough obsolete content.

and yes. i am raider myself. even tough i still say this roadblock was bullshit for us raiders aswell. as it brings problems for us raiders aswell by blocking off new players which may have the right attitude to be a good raid player for your group which maybe just lost a player due to rl or other reasons. reducing the pool of potential players like this is never healthy for raiding aswell on the long run.

saying a player who didnt clear this and this is not a good player is plain bullshit of an excuse guys. there is MANY good players who didnt have a static at that time but have the required skilllevel. or players who simply didnt PLAY at the time that raid was relevant.

i hope yoschis team learned something from this old mess and doesnt make a4s required to access a5s. on coil it made sense story wise. on alex we have story on normal and savage is completly extra. so its not the same system anymore.

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Originally Posted by Windklinge

for savage tough : THERE IS NO QUEST at the end this time. another indicator that we might not need it to access the next tier.

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Have you cleared Savage to know that there's no hand in quest at the end? Kind of seems like an assumption rather than fact to me.

I disagree, because i think that finding a static is not impossible. As you say there are plenty of good players who may be roadblocked and may deserve to do the next tier, 90% of players that are roadblocked are stopped because they are clearly NOT sufficiently skilled. This prevents people trying to get carried and wasting peoples time. There are times where an unskilled person has joined a static and caused unlimited frustration for the rest of the team, leading to the disbandment of the team of people who may of been competent enough to clear the content due to the nature of the mechanics in endgame. The issue is more with morale, where constant poor preformance, and lack of progress can lead to people not wanting to continue.

All of this can be prevented early by making it a prerequisite to clear the final turn of the current tier.

What would someone even want to buy savage clears for? O.o

I can almost guarantee the next savage will not be gated on the previous savage. Story mode will be the gate to each savage and the only necessary requirements being the previous story mode to be completed. I also don't think savage will get nerfed. I think hating the savage progression behind the previous savage would not only limit the player pool but also open it up for a potential nerf. But we shall see.

The reason I think that savage doesn't gate the next is because savage is a revisiting of the story from normal. It's prerequisite would be the experience of that story so the wandering minstrel can create the "savage" version from it.

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Originally Posted by Azper

What would someone even want to buy savage clears for? O.o

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because if you buy a clear you unlock the farming mode and you can join in future farming partys when they put savage in duty finder.