Chimera Trial?

In point of fact, I already have a 120 weapon (thank you silver chocobo feathers from RAF), making the necessity of quickly completing the relic chain not quite as urgent.

So I am following the relic weapon quest chain and have hit the part of needing to do an 8 man trial that it says I use DF for (A Relic Reborn: The Chimera). Except it is not listed in DF!

So is listing it in PF the only way I can hope to get past this step? Somehow I see this being an issue... as in if it isn't listed in DF, there must be no rewards for players who have gone by this step... and THAT can mean a LOT of waiting possibly over many, many days. Somehow I have many doubts there EVER may be a time when 3 other DPS, 2 tanks and 2 heals are online at the same time and on the same stage in the relic journey! Yet obviously, many HAVE gotten by this step... need some advice on the how!

There is a later stage where one needs to do Amdapor Keep, can I do that one BEFORE I pass by the Chimera one (yes, I do have it unlocked)? AND do I have to have the unfinished relic weapon equipped for the 3 primal battles towards the end of the chain (would be my assumption)?

It actually is listed in the DF (make sure you're looking at the correct tab; for example, don't look at Heavensward trials). You'll get players that queue for 'trial roulette' to assist you.

It should be listed as a trial.

Also, I would recommend going in with 4 friends or solo. The quest does not require you to actually use the lower ilvl weapon and the boss is so ridiculously weak now (designed for ilvl 50), that you can probably solo it if unsynced.

If you're lvl60 and close to ilvl170, you can probably run Chimera, and ampador solo.

Did you actually unlock it? If I remember correctly you have to talk to an NPC or something first at the location of the trial in Coerthas.

It didn't used to be on DF, after it was added, you do indeed have to go to Coerthas and unlock it. Same with Hydra and Thanalan

Ah, I shoulda realized there may have been an unlock thing (in my defense I DID read some posts saying that it was NOT listed in DF so one HAD to form one's own group), the quest says to go to a location where it happens, failed to put 2 and 2 together (senior moment).

I WISH ilvl 160, am 54 (i116) and have yet to hit the HW MSQs. Some pals at the same 54 I am have much better gear, I think it was that they hit 50 long before HW dropped, so thay had time to advance further than I (as in gear from the HW MSQ line which they started on 6/23).

I do find certain things quite difficult... like this beast daily FATE that has one pretty tough min-boss and 4 adds; it's way deep in Amalj'aa land so I gotta solo it and even using sleep more than once, can't seem to beat it. I was working on the big guy and sleeping the adds, but at one point before I got the big guy down, sleep lasted about 2 seconds!

There are diminishing returns for crowd-control, yeah.

For the FATE, I would party with another person who wanted to run it (either a tank or a healer). If I didn't have a friend who ran this with me, I'd run it with a pet chocobo and fill in the healer role.

Reminds me that I need to deal with training up my Chocobo. But should I not train it as a tank?

A tank is probably better for your blackmage. However, you will probably want a way to heal it for those boss fights. Consider putting a little in to both the tank and heal trees if you're hunting as a dps.

I was only i110 when I completed the preliminary relic stuff and my bird and I pretty much had to solo the required FATEs. This was just a few weeks before HW went live.

So you have the 3 Crystal tower raids open? If so go pick up the weekly quest in Revenant's Toll which nets you your choice of one carbon upgrade item and then get the carbontwine from that to make your magitek weapon 130. It will last you a long time. As it is I strongly suggest just setting the relic grind aside and finish the msq so you can get into HW areas. As it is you outgear them all and will have a pretty easy time in them especially if your chocobo is at least level 7-8.
Make sure to feed him krakka roots several times a day in your FC stable and also curiel roots when you're out in the field.

Besides, there is a NEW relic coming out and the one you have just begun the grind for will be only good for a glamour.

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Originally Posted by RiversideGuy

Reminds me that I need to deal with training up my Chocobo. But should I not train it as a tank?

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I would actually go with the healer tree first. While not strong, the choco's heals give you far more endurance in fates, quests, etc than anything else.

Assume on can change between heals & tank easily (need to read up on leveling up my bird, there seem to be a lot of FATEs that I'm going to have to solo coming up)? I did the unlock for my bird, but I'm at square one...

Not sure about unlocking raids... right now I gotta do Garuda H to unlock Titan to continue on the MSQ line.

I gotta assume I need the current relic to upgrade to whatever new one happens in 3.1... unless y'all say otherwise.

What I read was I need 3k Allied Seals to buy something else that can make the carbontwine... seemed like THAT would take way too long.

You'll get there! Here's some hints:

Chocobo - there's a thread on the forums advising how to best level up with the points given to lvl 10. This makes a powerful all rounder bird to build from.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-You-A-Guide

Chimera - once you unlock it people will join via duty roulettes and it will be completed in around 90s. Lots of Heavensward players will end up with you and the mechanics are easily cheesed now.

Relic Weapon - we don't know what will happen in 3.1 when Relic2 is released but they said you don't need the first Relic to get the new one. There may be a (very) small advantage to having a Zeta but TBH, don't bust a gut getting one. I haven't.

Hope that helps!

Ah, I see... from what I can glean, 3.1 may drop within the month. Looking over the relic chain, it SEEMS by that time, my current weapon will still be a higher level than the relic, so if it is NOT needed to go after the 3.1 relic weapon, maybe yes, not something to fret over.

Good thread there... I would have thought tanking would be preferred as I play a BLM, but I do see wisdom is going hybrid dps/healz (I read he/she does not make a very good tank)... and maybe letting him/her choose what is appropriate for the situation. I AM regularly going for beast tribe rep (poetics & mount) so that may be a good place to have him/her fight with me to gain those SPs I need to fill the talent tree.

Now I seem still confused about the food for the bird and the whole issue of stabling. I caught that one can NOT summon the bird for riding or combat if it is stabled... so do I have to go "unstable" the bird every day, then stable it when I am done for the day? AND why even do that... i.e. I have yet to read there is some specific benefit to stabling.

Next the food. Got a supply of the greens, can buy em from a vendor, cool. Advice I have gotten says to feed him Krakka Roots up to several times a day, and feed it Curiel Root when he/she is out and helping me. Except, far as I can tell, no vendor sells these items. Have yet to look at the MB, but somehow I think those may be priced way, way too high (back a ways I need an egg for one of the MSQs and on the MB my choice was buy 99 for 22k Gil or 2 for 17k, vendor sold it for 5). And I DID come across some indicating the yield from farming was very, very low. AND I see that seeds come from botanist cross breeding other seeds... hmmm, jus came across something saying they can be bought w/Allied Seals (did some hints when I unlocked it, but kinda stopped because the return didn't seem worth it so I concentrated on company seals for ranking and got a company weapon for a while).

You have to grow roots yourself or via an FC. They can be purchased from the marketboard too by people selling excess. As for feeding in the field - don't bother. If you're not going to have your bird fed every hour then don't bother stabling it. You don't need to ever stable it if you don't want to!

A good FC will have a stable, garden & feeding regime that you may want to investigate. =3

I followed the guide and got a well balanced bird that I used on a lot of content and it is good at fighting and healing if needed. You can level up to 20 eventually which will allow you to be at 10 for all three traits.

I looked at MB prices, yikes, WAY too much! Yes I will explore my FC regarding stables and gardening.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that by stabling and feeding the bird Krakka, he gets "trained" which means he gets xp... meaning leveling up to get SP. Realistically, I'll bring him out for running beast dailies and eventually FATEs I need to solo as some of those can be very tough (as a solo!). My understanding is that one can "train" a stabled bird once per hour... obviously as long as you have the Krakka roots. Anyone have an idea of the numbers involved... as in how much exp per hour "trained" at a stable?

Yes, krakka in the stable and completion of the Challenge Log are the only real viable ways to level up a bird. For example, a level 60 monster in Azys Lla will give 405xp to the bird but you may need 3 million exp per level. That's almost 7.5k kills! When you get circa 400k for the log & 17k per krakka (per hour) you can see why people just leave their birds in the stable & only bring it out for an hour or so per week to kill 100 beasts for the log!

Boy, very different numbers than what I'm seeing with a rank 2 bird. Training seems to yield about 700 xp, I can get that in 2+ mins of grinding mobs. Krakka's seems to be going for around 1200 EACH. Unfortunately, my FC used to have a garden, but eliminated it because nobody apparently used it. Maybe part of my issue is I'm so used to the monetary/gold system from the "other" MMO... where being frugal let's me pop for expensive items that only occur very, very rarely. 120k (99 toots) for someone with 5-7 million gil is a drop in the bucket, not so much for me. I suspect I'll need lots of it when I set about to level some crafts!

W/o a FC garden is there any way to grow?

Gotta check out the Challenge log... for now I'll use my guy on the beast dailies and see how much help he is on the FATEs I have to solo.

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Originally Posted by RiversideGuy

My understanding is that one can "train" a stabled bird once per hour... obviously as long as you have the Krakka roots.

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You can train a bird once per hour at the stable, but the only reason for leaving him stabled in between training is if it's an FC house where other members of your FC will also train him when you're not there to do so. If it's a personal house, just go to the stable, stable him, train him, and withdraw him. There's no need to leave him there in between training sessions.

BIRDS:

For birds, training is silly until about level 5 or so. I mean, exp is exp if you have the gil to buy the roots, but the exp gained is a percentage (which is why you're seeing such low numbers at rank 2). I believe in a clean stable (dirty yields less) you'll get 1% of your level each time you train your chocobo. This becomes a massive amount eventually, but at low levels it's not really worthwhile.

The challenge log works similarly. There are 2 challenges: kill 25 enemies within 10 levels of yourself (works while level sync'd) and kill 100 enemies (same conditions). Those yield 5% and 10% exp respectively (which with my rank 15 bird is like 300k or so).

When you stable a bird you can train him immediately and a 1 hour counter starts. Your chocobo doesn't have to be stabled for that hour, however, in addition to you training your chocobo every hour, up to 1 other FC member can also train your bird (which they might actually do depending on the circumstances -- there is an achievement with a barding reward for training someone else's chocobo 25 times).

Healer chocobos are pretty much the best unless you yourself are a healer (even then they might be). I would train him that way at least until he gets choco-cure, which is surprisingly late. After that you can mix it up however you like with the knowledge that eventually you can acquire every single ability (it gets crazy -- my chocobo actually has more HP than I do).

RELIC:

Unless you really like the look of your relic weapon I wouldn't bother. Even then, maybe just go as far as the base weapon. With the next patch there will be a new 'relic' type weapon that doesn't require the previous one at all. There is a possibility that having a completed one will give you a head start, but unless you plan on playing absolutely nonstop between now and then you won't have a completed one -- it's a huge hassle. As others have said, for Chimera and Hydra you need to visit the location (just like a dungeon) and then it will be added to the DF. Definitely go to the trouble of working through hard mode primals and the Manderville side quests (I forget where they start) as they will all be necessary to unlock the excellent duty roulette: trials. These are almost all very short and easy and give a very decent reward daily (exp + poetics I think while under 60, law and esoterics at 60).

If funds allow you can currently buy higher level gear on the market board even though you can't directly access Heavensward content yet. A lot of it should be modestly priced (I think -- haven't checked) because quests in Heavensward award players with a bevy of HQ equipment. If you can't afford HQ but NQ would still be an upgrade that's almost certainly dirt cheap. As a rule in this game NQ gear is 'useless' and often sells at a loss. For any instanced content at 50 your item level cap is 135 unless explicitly stated (so if you're under that you could still take advantage of improvements -- in the field obviously it will always help).

Ah, thanks Nutz, you posted while I was writing the one above, thanks for taking the time. I got to the halfway pt between rank 2 & 3 today just by using the guy doing beast dailies and 5 mins grinding mobs because I had 5 mins left on the greens (about 10k of xp in total). Yes I plan healer/attack hybrid. Even now, the guy does have more HP than I.

Given I read the 3.1 "new" relic does not require the older one, not going to put a huge effort in there, my poetic 120 s/b good for a bit. Next up on HM primals is Titan... I really studied Garuda then it went so fast doing it that I got whiplash (did manage to lay some BLM Fire II on the plumes so didn't get yelled at!)! Never spotted the green line AND spotted Satin Plume only as it died... damn fight was over before I could catch much breath. Yes, I do now realize one always has to do SOMETHING to unlock the ability to do a HM trial or dungeon... not to mention I managed to unlock Extreme Thornmarch!

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Originally Posted by RiversideGuy

I DID check out the Challange log, the 2 items it listed for Companion were both completed... so I assume this is a weekly, AND when IS the weekly reset?

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Weekly reset for most things occurs somewhere around 3am Tuesday morning Eastern time. I forget exactly but it's around then. The only exceptions that I can think of are the Gold saucer weekly lottery (Saturdays at 9 PM) and red scrips of crafting and gathering (level 60 content) which occur at the same time but on Thursdays.

I've never used the feed with the bird in combat before -- perhaps it is helpful, but at high levels the exp needed to level is so insane that the vast majority will come form training and the weekly challenge log.