VR on FFXIV?

This game, in my opinion, is beautiful and some settings are jaw dropping. To me, it feels like the kind of fantasy world I'd like to actually be in. The ambiance, the art, the music are all fantastic. I occasionally like to kick in first person mode to see what things would look like at ground level.

I, for one, like the idea of VR support in this game. If they could do a full first person view featuring your character model to see your hands, mounts, and equipment that would be really cool. The only thing I wouldn't want first person for would be combat of course lol but you can always just change back to third person for that.

What do you guys think?

If my computer could run that without just laughing at me, then sure.

I think that if VR becomes very successful, after a few yeas they will for sure implement it.

Personally, I'd say a new Final fantasy MMO from whenever the technology hits that point of sufficient immersion.

I think we'll have a few years of talking about PS4 limitations before that's an actually valid idea.

I don't think it would work for FFXIV. You'd have to redesign the MMO from the ground for it not to be a sightseeing gimmick, and even if it were implemented like a gimmick it's just wasted dev. time imho. Also, don't you need at least 120 FPS for VR not to cause motion sickness, with a 290x I find myself barely holding 40-60 in populated areas. Sometimes dipping lower.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

I think we'll have a few years of talking about PS4 limitations before that's an actually valid idea.

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PlayStation 4 getting Project Morpheus next year,

More lalafell peepers! :p

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

I think we'll have a few years of talking about PS4 limitations before that's an actually valid idea.

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Limitations based on what? it basically just First Person View but you would be viewing it in a different way

Being that i own an Occulus Rif,t (Admittedly a DK1) games that are specifically built from the ground up to BE Virtual Reality look flat out amazing, even on the 480p display. The exceptionally well built ones don't have many, if any motion sickness issues.

In contrast, an existing game hotwired to work with the Occulus (VR in general, but my experience is with Occulus) look absolutely horrible.
You don't simply take an existing art piece and fiddle with the perception, Skyrim tried that and it literally makes my eyes and brain hurt. Hawken is probably one of the few outliers, but the dev team for Hawken had to work directly with the Occulus devs to get it to where it is today.

You need to build a game specifically with that VR in mind. So on that note, while i would love to have a VR Final Fantasy MMO, please don't hotwire XIV to do it, it'd just bring down the game.

Yes; a VR game would have to be built with the VR system in mind from the ground up. I expect FFXXI or maybe FFXXIX to incorporate such features.

We already have first person view but we cannot see our body. Even someone on Skyrim has modded the first person view to make you can see your body part. I hope this feature will be developed. :)

I would love to see it happen, but the game isn't really made to be played at any seriousness in first person mode.
But I'd love to take a stroll around the world with it.

Yea first person mode.
Because people don't have a hard enough time to dodge the big orange indicators already.

You have to build up your game from the ground up with first person in mind for this to remotely work.

A first person mode on VR would be great, except you need to look at the personal aspect of it. We have experimented using the Ochulus rift doing a walkround of a building we designed a BIMX walkthrough on. The problem we were having was people were feeling dizzy or sick after wearing it for more than 5 minutes and also were struggling with the concept of looking at things to move forward as they kept wanting to walk in Real life. Granted these days you can get (at a large cost) these roller pads to enable you to walk but stay in the same position and the walking tanslates to movement in the game, however it will be a long time before that technology would be down to the price a standard gamer can afford. To us we have it availiable as a gimmick but find when doing public presentations at planning meetings people find navigating the building on a tv using an x-box controller is much more comfortable. Basically you would need to develop something that would appeal to the masses and not have any bad effects to be able to allow for the coding and facilities to be VR for any new game.

VR... hmmm... don't do it. It's a trap! SAO anyone?

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Originally Posted by ExiledOne

VR... hmmm... don't do it. It's a trap! SAO anyone?

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We would need a VR helmet that could interpret and interrupt nerve signals first :P

Ok so I love all the nay sayers here.... however it's already been done

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._morpheus_and/

Yoshi P had ffxiv running on project morpheus, and he says it's an experience square enix should let players try out

Sounds like VR is coming to ffxiv sometime in the future

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Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar

Ok so I love all the nay sayers here.... however it's already been done

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._morpheus_and/

Yoshi P had ffxiv running on project morpheus, and he says it's an experience square enix should let players try out

Sounds like VR is coming to ffxiv sometime in the future

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Yoshida explained, in order to obtain this they had to downgrade the graphics quite a bit, but he admitted its a unique experience Square Enix should let players try out.

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You kinda forgot about that key part y'know.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

We would need a VR helmet that could interpret and interrupt nerve signals first :P

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Yeah. It bugs me that what we're calling "VR" right now is really just two screens plastered against your face with some head tilting gyroscope controls thrown in.

I'd LOVE to look at Titan's magnificent rocky cockpiece while dodging literally the sky.

I'm all for this idea though, don't get me wrong.

I have asked for oculus support a few times on these forums. I still hope for it. Though I keep seeing this everywhere were people only picture VR and oculus being played in a first person mode. It doesn't have to be, it can be a exacty as it is viewed now but in 3d and with a much wider field of view. You would feel as if your in the game looking at your character.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

You kinda forgot about that key part y'know.

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That's an issue with the Morpheus and play stations problem. That's gonna be what happens with every game not just this one

What I think no one understands or just ignores to understand.

You have to render 60 frames per second on EACH lens, meaning that the computer must be able to have the game at 120 frames minimum in every single environment of the game. We already know how laggy it gets in towns with many characters, my GTX 980 will often dip at moments, meaning that VR will be a completely impossibility on most hardware, even if it's just a simple First Person modification to the game.

What most also forget is that 60 fps isn't minimum, 30 is
And no one should realistically expect it to look as good graphically as your current single display looks now. It is rendering 2 separate images per eye. It's like playing a splitscreen game and how that lowered the graphics or frame rate or draw distance for both players screens.
It's the same with this, and this is all just the nature of VR in general not any sort of limitation to this game or any specific headset

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

What most also forget is that 60 fps isn't minimum, 30 is
And no one should realistically expect it to look as good graphically as your current single display looks now. It is rendering 2 separate images per eye. It's like playing a splitscreen game and how that lowered the graphics or frame rate or draw distance for both players screens.
It's the same with this, and this is all just the nature of VR in general not any sort of limitation to this game or any specific headset

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By 30 FPS minimum, you mean with VR, or without? Honestly 30 is the bare minimum for playing on your TV/Monitor, let alone a VR headset. People get nauseous with with VR headsets at 60 FPS, and it's not just special cases here and there, similar car sicknesses or whatever, a large amount of people are affected. I wouldn't want to imagine 30. What are they going to do to cover up the stuttering while turning your head quickly, motion blur? Not going to work with VR, at least not to the degree it's used in some PS4/XO games.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

That's an issue with the Morpheus and play stations problem. That's gonna be what happens with every game not just this one

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And most current PCs that aren't running high end CrossFire/SLI GPUs really, unless the game is built so PCs can render the game twice without dropping below 60. There are a lot of games that can pull that off currently with a single high end GPU (Witcher 3, Black Ops 3, Battlefield, etc.) but FFXIV isn't one of them unless you're hanging about in a very unpopulated area, and then we get back to it just being a sightseeing thing.

My point is just that most of the complaints about VR with ffxiv are simply issues with VR in general. People do get sick using VR but it is a new experience and and people need to get used to it or maybe the game just has you move around too much and it's not great for VR. I personally didn't get sick or anything when i used the oculus but I might be a unique case because I work with 3D for a living.

My other point was simply that any computer or console will need more power to run something in VR then just a single display because it is rendering the game twice. That will never change, it will always require more graphical processing power even if a computer or any device is designed to play VR games.
It all just sounds like VR issues and saying that the game now stutters sometimes. Yeah the graphics are gonna have to be lowered to work in VR smoothly

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Originally Posted by Brickshouse

The problem we were having was people were feeling dizzy or sick after wearing it for more than 5 minutes

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There are a couple of groups working hard at solving simulator sickness.

if se chose to work with the oculus rift devs, and made the first person camera a node on the third person body, i would like that.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

if se chose to work with the oculus rift devs, and made the first person camera a node on the third person body, i would like that.

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I don't understand what you mean

VR confirmed for Playstation 9, please look forward to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdh4TqWFfX4

(an ancient PS2 commercial from early 2000's)

Imagine when Heavensfall drop on your head.

Apparently, we were too quick to dismiss this idea. The Tokyo Game Show announcement on the Lodestone includes mention of a demonstration of Project Morpheus (now renamed Playstation VR, apparently, from a different news story I saw today) using The Navel battle.

While I still wonder how this will differ from using first-person view in the game, I'm interested in seeing what people who attend the demo have to say about it.

http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/001181.html

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...20150915_1.jpg
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...20150915_3.jpg

Did someone say they wanted to see titans codpiece in VR? Looks like SE have granted you this request :)

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This game will be dead before VR becomes a thing. A lot of games we have now will. VR won't be possible for another 15-20 years if not for a long time.

So the VR has both First and a Full view third person, thats very cool

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

This game will be dead before VR becomes a thing. A lot of games we have now will. VR won't be possible for another 15-20 years if not for a long time.

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you never know, when the PSVR is released it might start off quite well.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

This game will be dead before VR becomes a thing. A lot of games we have now will. VR won't be possible for another 15-20 years if not for a long time.

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Fully immersive 1-1 5 senses VR? probably, though these things have a habit of sneaking up on you. Binocular display, surround sound, motion controlled? I've heard 5-10 years as an estimate, and it sounds reasonable. It really depends on where you set your sights. .Hack rather than Sword Art Online. ((The characters in the real world portions of .hack are actually frequently shown using a head set and a controller, and that is shown to be an option beyond just using a monitor.))