OMG 1.19 has broken the game

Ok, now that I've got the attention of the angry minority, let me show you what exactly is happening to you.

People who studied/work in management or HR will be familiar with this: the change curve.

Please click here to see the change curve.


The General Phases of the Change Curve

Denial – The first stage: Once information has been received as to the ideals of change, this natural reaction is to deny that there is a need for change and in fact it is not happening. In a change sense, typical words that are used at this stage are, “It won’t work here,” “Tried it before – It doesn’t happen,” “Why is this happening to me?”

Anger – After learning that this change is not going away, the next natural step towards change is to go through the anger phase. At this point, people affected often can’t see a way out of the situation, often resorting to anger and bitterness.

Exploration – Maintaining the commitment to Working with individuals, facilitating them through the change curve, it will eventually become clear that the change is here to stay. It is no fad and big changes in their lives may need to happen. At this point, people will often try to compromise a favourable outcome to the change. Comments like, “Ok, what if we do this…” “Can I fit here?” “Can we just do…”

Acceptance – Congratulations! The individual has successfully come through the change curve. Acceptance as to the need to change is understood and now the person, in this phase, is learning to live with the change, getting involved in change and dealing directly with it.


Déjà vu ?

This concept proves itself at every patch, just look at all the anger threads, and analyze the forums again in few weeks.

If you realize and accept the phase you're in, you will begin exploring and trying new things faster, meaning fun and performance will come back faster (rather than being stuck in the anger phase).

Except those few who skip straight to the quitting phase.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Except those few who skip straight to the quitting phase.

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Yeah, every major change taken by an enterprise/community most often brings a few people who quit. That's part of the game, and the long-term benefits are usually worth more than the short term loss (if it's well planned).

It's a handful of anger threads, because those who enjoy it are busy playing the game. So that means thousands are playing, while a couple are complaining. I'm having fun and enjoy the new patch.

Also, you didn't post any information regarding the game, just copied an article. Way to be intuitive.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Except those few who skip straight to the quitting phase.

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And then they return to the game the next day, and another laundry list of complaints with it.

Uh... actually in MMO's developers pretty frequently make adjustments based on community reaction. So this post is kind of dumb.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Uh... actually in MMO's developers pretty frequently make adjustments based on community reaction. So this post is kind of dumb.

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Hmmm ... don't think you understand the concept and its relation with the current situation.

The adjustments, even if they come directly from the players feedback, will still make a number of players unhappy. The origin of the adjustments have no relation with this.

Also, while we're at it, the customer isn't always king. There's a balance. At release it su**** because they didn't listen, but it would also su***** if they would listen to every complain.

Anyway, the point of this thread is to show that most complaints are coming from people being blind and angry, and that in few weeks thay'll see the benefits of the latest changes, accept them and move on. It happened with every patch ...

yay rage thread. what? hang on this is not a rage thread. you tricked me:P

nicely done sir

the sooner ppl pass the anger stage the better their own life will be. think of your blood presure ppl

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Except those few who skip straight to the quitting phase.

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who are completely over shadowed by the huge number of pople who came back.

This is something a lot of people never understand. A company cannot please everyone. It is just not possible because there are people who will ALWAYS find something wrong. So a few people complain about something that is broken, or they think exp is too fast or too slow, game is too hard too easy etc big deal. It happens. Everyone else is busy enjoying the game, as they should be. I also think it's stupid how certain individuals think THEIR opinion is the voice of everyone, when it is not. I dont know why people have to be so unhappy :x

you forgot to add the troll others stage. that's the stage where you troll others that are unhappy with changes. if they do not like something it's their business. if you disagree with them you could always point out ways in which it helps instead of flaming their stance with some kind of half baked psychobable.

i agree that the patch is here and people should try it out completely before going ballistic, but if they complain about something they do not like then we should show things we have done, using that exact new change, and how it has improved the game.

Lol amen to this. Thanks for actually posting some sense in here.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

you forgot to add the troll others stage. that's the stage where you troll others that are unhappy with changes. if they do not like something it's their business. if you disagree with them you could always point out ways in which it helps instead of flaming their stance with some kind of half baked psychobable.

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That's what I did.

It's just normal to be frustrated after changes. But some people will begin exploring the new opportunities faster than others (last paragraph of the OP). These people stuck in the angry phase need support and answers, which I can't provide, but comprehension and an external point of view can help.

You seem better at flaming than me.

I haven't seen the curve before, but I do see the pattern. Part 1 is when they release the notes, and people haven't even tried it out yet, saying it won't work etc...

We are in phase 2 now... (some of us in 3 and later)

Thanks for the info. :)

Bumping the goold old change curve ... some things never change !

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Originally Posted by nasomi

It's a handful of anger threads, because those who enjoy it are busy playing the game. So that means thousands are playing, while a couple are complaining. I'm having fun and enjoy the new patch.

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not entirely true since most people quit in the first month.

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Originally Posted by Vingtdeux

Bumping the goood old change curve ... some things never change !

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Haha! SE should sticky this as a constant reminder. I have a feeling it will be quiet useful between now and 2.0

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Except those few who skip straight to the quitting phase.

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let them quit, they are the part of the community who still think September 2010 was a successful launch and there is nothing wrong with the game. Denial -> Anger

I think you may be mistaken. The people who complained about something in the past don't necessarily accept whatever the change was. Many have just given up on voicing their opionin because they know their words are falling on deaf ears.

There are still many things that I disliked about previous patches, and I still dislike them. But why bother complaining? It's not going to change anything.

Giving up =/= acceptance

Nice OP, I lol'd

Nice thread.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

I think you may be mistaken. The people who complained about something in the past don't necessarily accept whatever the change was. Many have just given up on voicing their opionin because they know their words are falling on deaf ears.

There are still many things that I disliked about previous patches, and I still dislike them. But why bother complaining? It's not going to change anything.

Giving up =/= acceptance

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Accepting defeat ??

Giving up is a form of acceptance.

You accepted that some things can't change and moved on (and we wouldn't have 2.0 incoming fi they had deaf ears).


If giving up wasn't a form of acceptance, we'd suicide ourselves at any sign of issues we can't do anything about in life.

LOL! Awesome! Someone please bump this thread after every patch. It'll be a good reminder.

wow allot of catches in this troll net. is this a suck up... i mean suck it up thread?

Not trying to be rude when i say this , just talking from personal experiences.
This is a video game from our view point also see it as a community, please do not compare it to the role of work for us.
All that said, i thought 1.19 was an amazing patch for the game and it can only get better from now on.

The OP is pretty much right on the money with this, people who don't see it are in heavy denial.

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Originally Posted by Vingtdeux

Giving up is a form of acceptance.

You accepted that some things can't change and moved on (and we wouldn't have 2.0 incoming fi they had deaf ears).


If giving up wasn't a form of acceptance, we'd suicide ourselves at any sign of issues we can't do anything about in life.

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I guess I can partially agree with this, aside from the suicide remark (um.. what? lol).

However, there's a difference between accepting a change and accepting the fact that there's nothing you can do about it. An example would be the changes to the leveling curve for battle classes.

Personally, I can't understand why so many people like the curve the way it is now. Why is it so important to be able to get a class 1-50 within 24 hours of game play? Is this not an RPG? Every RPG is a grind, the difference is that some disguise it better than others. Yet, some would still opt to remove the grind entirely instead of having an enjoyable one. The work (for lack of better word) to get capped level is no longer an accomplishment, now it's a requirement.

This is just one thing that I don't necessarily accept. Or rather, was forced to accept it right off the bat. I really had no choice, and it doesn't matter what I say or what feedback I give to the devs, I'm sure it won't matter. They've made their decision and that's it. 5 years down the road ask me about this system again and I guarantee you I still won't accept or agree with it.

So no, I don't accept it. I accept the fact that there's nothing I can do to change it. For some these may seem to be one and the same. It just depends on how you look at it.

Lol, great thread. A good approach with some graphic illustration for presentation to go with it, very professional! ^_^ b <thumbs up>

This rises the question for developers/ community, is the relationship between the two getting two close? Not all relationships work out and it's usually business before pleasure. What is Final Fantasy XIV anyway, an ambitious project by the DEV/SE or FFXI (FF Community in general) for the DEV/SE or FFXI (FF Community in general)?

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I always remembered that adventure is proceeded by exploration which is encouraged by mystery that's encouraged by a conflict. We all know Final Fantasies have conflicts which always inspire rewards. Knowing this comes through the gate by the creativity of the FF-DEV team which should and must be thinking up new systems and idea of their own already (while staying true to the Final Fantasy series) besides taking suggestions (some) from the community.

I like the development of lore and the SE needs to create more story line and quest without handing it all over on a silver plate. Let us discover it and wonder how much more it is out there.

Don't you think they should stay true to design or just work off the negatives/ positives of the consumer reaction? I feel like if the MMO holds mysterious atmosphere, there's more adventure. Many games are successful whether or not it's approved by the public/ fans. It's just extensively tested for bugs, glitches and consistent UI function.

Angry players will expect the worse all the time. If they know what is coming (but its not here yet), they'll feel nothing towards the game. The forums in general consist only on a wish-list and not everything should inspire the FF-DEV team (but I would REALLY like sessions when they do ASK).

Chocobo armor?- YES!

Moogle Avatar/Primal?- Maybe...

More mini-quest? Yes, please!

Dragoon + Wyverns? NO!

Lol, this came to mind when first reading this thread.

Still, I think the OP's intentions go against the purpose of the forums. The whole reason we're here is to give feedback. I'm fairly sure everyone is familiar with the 5 stages of grief concept. But why post it? How does this contribute to the future of the game in any way? It's basically just a "QQers stop whining thread". While all of us feel this way at one point or another (I've posted my fair share of "stop QQing" comments as well), it's nothing new and isn't productive.

Analyzing people behaviors every time SE announces a change, then checking back when they actually try it out is prolly the most interesting thing about these official forums.

So yes, this thread is interesting and reminds me how funny it is every time a change is announced.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Analyzing people behaviors every time SE announces a change, then checking back when they actually try it out is prolly the most interesting thing about these official forums.

So yes, this thread is interesting and reminds me how funny it is every time a change is announced.

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1) I DON'T LIKE CHANGE
2) Hey, this is pretty good!

I feel this sums it up.

Isn't there a bargaining phase?

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Isn't there a bargaining phase?

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Yes, there is. Exploration = Bargaining in the context the OP is using. However, there are a total of 5 (not 4) stages.

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In its original form, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross wrote in her 1969 book “On Death and Dying” about the “Five Stages of Grief”:

Denial: Example – “I feel fine.”; “This can’t be happening.”‘Not to me!”
Anger: Example – “Why me? It’s not fair!” “NO! NO! How can you accept this!”
Bargaining: Example – “Just let me live to see my children graduate.”; “I’ll do anything, can’t you stretch it out? A few more years.”
Depression: Example – “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”; “I’m going to die . . . What’s the point?”
Acceptance: Example – “It’s going to be OK.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well prepare for it.”

Translated into change management world, these stages might be written as:

Denial: Example – “This isn’t relevant to my work.”
Resistance: Example – “I’m not having this.”
Exploration: Example – “Could this work for me?”
Hope: Example – “I can see how I make this work for me.”
Commitment: Example – “This works for me and my colleagues.”

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Read 4 words in bold, closed browser.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Yes, there is. Exploration = Bargaining in the context the OP is using. However, there are a total of 5 (not 4) stages.

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I'm reminded of this (names have been altered to protect the innocent, but the dialogue is a blatant rip-off):

Doctor: You can expect to go through five stages. The first is denial.
Patient: No way, because I'm not dying!
Doctor: Second is anger.
Patient Why you little...Da-! Guuuuuh! Yaaaah!
Doctor: After that, comes fear.
Patient: (paranoid) What's after fear? What's after fear?
Doctor: Bargaining.
Patient: Doc, you've got to get me out of this. I'll make it worth your while.
Doctor: And finally, acceptance.
Patient: Well, we've all got to go sometime.
Doctor: Mr. Patient, your progress astounds me.