Healers & Accuracy

So this is a pretty old debate now, Im sure it's been posted on here a lot, so sorry for bringing it up again. I understand that content isn't created with healer dps in mind, but lets be realistic here a large portion of us are melding the 180 gear and 150 accessories with accuracy to be able to contribute to our parties progress.

While it isn't a requirement I personally love playing Scholar because of the flexibility it gives. I can be on the defensive mitigating damage and supporting my party one second then flipping the switch and going on the full offensive. I'm not saying this play style is the absolute, or what should be expected of Healers, but it is what a portion of Healers enjoy, even my White Mage goes hard when there are gaps in incoming damage.

I'm not really asking for gear to be massively ramped up with accuracy either, melding gear for raid is part of the game, an in some masochistic way I don't mind it too much, it makes me feel like I have more control over my characters build, but having no accuracy on our gear at all hits our main stats really hard.

We used to get a little bit of accuracy on our gear, I would really like to see that come back, our gear doesn't have to meet the cap so that other healers don't feel required to dps.

To put it into perspective yo hit the accuracy cap of A1S (I still fall short of 2 & 3) I have to have three i150 melded accessories and one i180 melded left side piece. On my left side I loose 9 Mind and on my right side I loose 36 Mind (this is assuming the gear is 200, I actually have some 210's so the number is greater). In total that is a loss of 45 Mind (I'm not going to go into secondaries) in order to boost my hit rate and even with this gear and accuracy food I still miss a few times in the later Savage Floors.

Now I'm not asking to get +30 accuracy on my healer gear, so that we meet the accuracy cap on normal gear alone, I understand this wouldn't be right as healers who focus on healing would be expected to dps, but a +10 or so like we had in FCoB would really help us out with meeting the accuracy cap with out nerfing our stats and breaking the bank (obviously we would still have to meld a few bits to meet cap).

We are well into progression in the current raid now, so it's too late to change for the current raid, but I hope this is something the Devs will consider when the next raid is released.

I'm sure people are going to comment saying it's a healers job to heal and a dps's to deal damage, but for some of us alternating between each is playing our role to it's full potential...and who doesn't want to play their role to it's full potential?

since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!

My Healer classes whm/astro/sch are around ilvl 185 but only have 360 acc... lv45 have this normaly. o_o

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!

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This, adding a big accuracy boost in cleric stance would be the best solution.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!

My Healer classes whm/astro/sch are around ilvl 185 but only have 360 acc... lv45 have this normaly. o_o

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I think the 100% hit is a little bit unfair as dps still have to work their gear to meet the cap (not that I wouldn't love it). The 30-40% boost could be pretty good I guess, you would definitely get more bang for you buck with melds.

E.g. your accuracy un-melded is 360, 360 + 30% = 468
My Melded accuracy is 468 + food it's 491, 491 + 30% = 638

With that accuracy I could tank A3...although I would go splat on the first cleave

But I guess with that trait I wouldn't need to meld so much accuracy to meet the caps, I'm not sure how well it will scale with future raids though, but I guess as the raids progress so do the accuracy caps on crafted gear.

Yea no. They already said that healer DPS isn't included in DPS check if you're wearing the intended gear ilvl for the content.

If you're doing progression or wearing gear with ilvl lower for the intended raid, then that lack of accuracy is on you to fill by any means necessary. Be it by food, melds, or reorganization of gear to meet acc cap.

After all. That's what the first clearers did.

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Originally Posted by hagare

Yea no. They already said that healer DPS isn't included in DPS check if you're wearing the intended gear ilvl for the content.

If you're doing progression or wearing gear with ilvl lower for the intended raid, then that lack of accuracy is on you to fill by any means necessary. Be it by food, melds, or reorganization of gear to meet acc cap.

After all. That's what the first clearers did.

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I take it you just replied to the title, gg.

If they're gonna give accuracy in gears, you're gonna lose determination, piety, spell speed, etc.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

If they're gonna give accuracy in gears, you're gonna lose determination, piety, spell speed, etc.

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That wasn't the case in 2.X. A little bit of accuracy was added to some things on top of the stats you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

If they're gonna give accuracy in gears, you're gonna lose determination, piety, spell speed, etc.

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You loose Mind with melds which is far more valuable than secondaries.

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Originally Posted by Miscreant

I take it you just replied to the title, gg.

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Actually,
The dev response is the answer to:
something the Devs will consider when the next raid is released.

and for more accuracy in your gear, you're basically asking SE to help you reach cap which is something that is your responsibility.

You want more accuracy? It's on you. Which is what my first post is all about. GG

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!

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It would be incredible if some kind of accuracy buff was added to Cleric Stance. Perhaps have it run off of Piety so that it can be attributed to something else besides determining how much mana we have. Some may argue that it would make healers overpowered for damage, but that's only because they'd be able to hit things without needing the gear for it. Healer damage kits are vastly underpowered in comparison to actual DPS classes, but every little bit helps in getting a boss down quicker.

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Originally Posted by hagare

Actually,
The dev response is the answer to:
something the Devs will consider when the next raid is released.

and for more accuracy in your gear, you're basically asking SE to help you reach cap which is something that is your responsibility.

You want more accuracy? It's on you. Which is what my first post is all about. GG

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I kind of stated I already do all of those things in my first post...so your kind of telling me to do what I have already done.

I haven't seen that response from the Devs but that is basically what I'm asking for, a bit of accuracy on our gear so that we can scale with raids and so that I'm not having to loose 50+ of my main stat and 20,000,000+ gil to be able to hit a target...seriously setting up an offensive healer build for raids is one of the most expensive things in the game, and thats coming from someone who buys a lot of glamour items.

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Originally Posted by Nikoshae

It would be incredible if some kind of accuracy buff was added to Cleric Stance. Perhaps have it run off of Piety so that it can be attributed to something else besides determining how much mana we have. Some may argue that it would make healers overpowered for damage, but that's only because they'd be able to hit things without needing the gear for it. Healer damage kits are vastly underpowered in comparison to actual DPS classes, but every little bit helps in getting a boss down quicker.

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I kind of feel that buffing from piety wouldn't really work as well as a clear cut percentage of your accuracy. We can't expect to just have accuracy for nothing which is what we would get with Piety, having our boost come from our accuracy would keep the way we work our gear fairly similar, different builds for different caps etc.

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Originally Posted by Miscreant

aI haven't seen that response from the Devs but that is basically what I'm asking for, a bit of accuracy on our gear so that we can scale with raids and so that I'm not having to loose 50+ of my main stat and 20,000,000+ gil to be able to hit a target...seriously setting up an offensive healer build for raids is one of the most expensive things in the game, and thats coming from someone who buys a lot of glamour items
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They said that in an interview some time ago.

Hey I feel ya. Glamour is not cheap. The path to looking good is hard, long and full of temptations :p

But as long as your main role is healer that's just the way wind blows. SE designed them around healing after all.

But hey, you're progression raiding. You can be one of the first to sell savage runs xD

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Originally Posted by Miscreant

I kind of stated I already do all of those things in my first post...so your kind of telling me to do what I have already done.

I haven't seen that response from the Devs but that is basically what I'm asking for, a bit of accuracy on our gear so that we can scale with raids and so that I'm not having to loose 50+ of my main stat and 20,000,000+ gil to be able to hit a target...seriously setting up an offensive healer build for raids is one of the most expensive things in the game, and thats coming from someone who buys a lot of glamour items.

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Remember we didn't have accuracy on our gear in BCoB, wasn't until 2.2, they are possibly following the same formula.

Also as for expensive I personally grieve for tanks when right side 180 comes out, melding acc is good but not super neccessary, but tanks melding STR is optimal.

I agree that healers need a way to get bonus acc because as it stands now we get the shaft even when fighting monster out on the field. I had a horrible time before HW where i would attack a lvl 50 monster from an Alex chest and i would miss repeatedly. A boost to acc when in cleric stance would give us a similiar boost that Grit, Deliverance, and Shield Oath do for tanks, so why not? The end game raids apparently were designed around the fact that healers were helping dps, so why prevent us from doing so?

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Originally Posted by KaitlynOfOz

A boost to acc when in cleric stance would give us a similiar boost that Grit, Deliverance, and Shield Oath do for tanks, so why not? The end game raids apparently were designed around the fact that healers were helping dps, so why prevent us from doing so?

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Deliverance doesn't boost accuracy. Did you mean Defiance? I honestly don't even know why they made the tanking stances boost accuracy anyway because tanks get such ridiculous amounts of it on their gear (my PLD has 678 accuracy right now even without a tanking stance on). Of course, it fits for us as it's basically in our job description to tackle the mob from the front, where the accuracy requirement is the highest.

Accuracy can definitely be a struggle for DPS at certain points during the gear upgrading process though. I know I've had times when I had to wait to swap out a piece of gear till I got a different one to replace lost accuracy, or face up to the fact that I was going to be missing. A lot. Because of that, it seems really unbalanced to do something like making magic attacks always hit (this would impact black mages and summoners too, making them able to stack more crit/det) or giving an enormous accuracy boost to Cleric Stance.

I'm not even really sure why they dropped the pittance of accuracy from HW healer gear, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Pentt

Also as for expensive I personally grieve for tanks when right side 180 comes out, melding acc is good but not super neccessary, but tanks melding STR is optimal.

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My bank account is already crying. It'll be worth it to get out of these fending pieces for progression, though.

Probably been said tons of times already, but please add ACC to cleric stance. Lots of ACC to it. No need to alter our gear when I think that's the simple solution.

I also play SCH and enjoy the DPS aspect of the class.

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Originally Posted by KaitlynOfOz

I agree that healers need a way to get bonus acc because as it stands now we get the shaft even when fighting monster out on the field. I had a horrible time before HW where i would attack a lvl 50 monster from an Alex chest and i would miss repeatedly. A boost to acc when in cleric stance would give us a similiar boost that Grit, Deliverance, and Shield Oath do for tanks, so why not? The end game raids apparently were designed around the fact that healers were helping dps, so why prevent us from doing so?

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EXACTLY! I've missed with Ruin II & Energy Drain etc in Neverreap & elsewhere. This isn't top level Savage raids we're talking but every day content, much of which is compulsory (like killing open world mobs that will kill you otherwise). Having 350 acc when in some of the best gear for Scholars just isn't good enough.

What little it counts, certain abilities without initial potency, such as Shadowflare and Bio will have a 100% hit rate, last I checked. They're unable to miss, supposedly because it is simply a status effect.

Now why Virus can miss while only being a status effect is beyond me.

Happy healing!