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    Miscreant's Avatar
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    Healers & Accuracy

    So this is a pretty old debate now, Im sure it's been posted on here a lot, so sorry for bringing it up again. I understand that content isn't created with healer dps in mind, but lets be realistic here a large portion of us are melding the 180 gear and 150 accessories with accuracy to be able to contribute to our parties progress.

    While it isn't a requirement I personally love playing Scholar because of the flexibility it gives. I can be on the defensive mitigating damage and supporting my party one second then flipping the switch and going on the full offensive. I'm not saying this play style is the absolute, or what should be expected of Healers, but it is what a portion of Healers enjoy, even my White Mage goes hard when there are gaps in incoming damage.

    I'm not really asking for gear to be massively ramped up with accuracy either, melding gear for raid is part of the game, an in some masochistic way I don't mind it too much, it makes me feel like I have more control over my characters build, but having no accuracy on our gear at all hits our main stats really hard.

    We used to get a little bit of accuracy on our gear, I would really like to see that come back, our gear doesn't have to meet the cap so that other healers don't feel required to dps.

    To put it into perspective yo hit the accuracy cap of A1S (I still fall short of 2 & 3) I have to have three i150 melded accessories and one i180 melded left side piece. On my left side I loose 9 Mind and on my right side I loose 36 Mind (this is assuming the gear is 200, I actually have some 210's so the number is greater). In total that is a loss of 45 Mind (I'm not going to go into secondaries) in order to boost my hit rate and even with this gear and accuracy food I still miss a few times in the later Savage Floors.

    Now I'm not asking to get +30 accuracy on my healer gear, so that we meet the accuracy cap on normal gear alone, I understand this wouldn't be right as healers who focus on healing would be expected to dps, but a +10 or so like we had in FCoB would really help us out with meeting the accuracy cap with out nerfing our stats and breaking the bank (obviously we would still have to meld a few bits to meet cap).

    We are well into progression in the current raid now, so it's too late to change for the current raid, but I hope this is something the Devs will consider when the next raid is released.

    I'm sure people are going to comment saying it's a healers job to heal and a dps's to deal damage, but for some of us alternating between each is playing our role to it's full potential...and who doesn't want to play their role to it's full potential?
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    Last edited by Miscreant; 08-28-2015 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Spelling

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    since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!

    My Healer classes whm/astro/sch are around ilvl 185 but only have 360 acc... lv45 have this normaly. o_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove View Post
    since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!
    This, adding a big accuracy boost in cleric stance would be the best solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove View Post
    since every healer (and only healers) can use "cleric stance" the skill should also boost the acc by 30-40% (or make magic atks 100% hit, like bard there "Hawks Eye"), so they can hit stuff when no healing is need!

    My Healer classes whm/astro/sch are around ilvl 185 but only have 360 acc... lv45 have this normaly. o_o
    I think the 100% hit is a little bit unfair as dps still have to work their gear to meet the cap (not that I wouldn't love it). The 30-40% boost could be pretty good I guess, you would definitely get more bang for you buck with melds.

    E.g. your accuracy un-melded is 360, 360 + 30% = 468
    My Melded accuracy is 468 + food it's 491, 491 + 30% = 638

    With that accuracy I could tank A3...although I would go splat on the first cleave

    But I guess with that trait I wouldn't need to meld so much accuracy to meet the caps, I'm not sure how well it will scale with future raids though, but I guess as the raids progress so do the accuracy caps on crafted gear.
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    Last edited by Miscreant; 08-28-2015 at 07:58 PM. Reason: text limit

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    Yea no. They already said that healer DPS isn't included in DPS check if you're wearing the intended gear ilvl for the content.

    If you're doing progression or wearing gear with ilvl lower for the intended raid, then that lack of accuracy is on you to fill by any means necessary. Be it by food, melds, or reorganization of gear to meet acc cap.

    After all. That's what the first clearers did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    Yea no. They already said that healer DPS isn't included in DPS check if you're wearing the intended gear ilvl for the content.

    If you're doing progression or wearing gear with ilvl lower for the intended raid, then that lack of accuracy is on you to fill by any means necessary. Be it by food, melds, or reorganization of gear to meet acc cap.

    After all. That's what the first clearers did.
    I take it you just replied to the title, gg.
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    If they're gonna give accuracy in gears, you're gonna lose determination, piety, spell speed, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriaEnia View Post
    If they're gonna give accuracy in gears, you're gonna lose determination, piety, spell speed, etc.
    That wasn't the case in 2.X. A little bit of accuracy was added to some things on top of the stats you mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriaEnia View Post
    If they're gonna give accuracy in gears, you're gonna lose determination, piety, spell speed, etc.
    You loose Mind with melds which is far more valuable than secondaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miscreant View Post
    I take it you just replied to the title, gg.
    Actually,
    The dev response is the answer to:
    something the Devs will consider when the next raid is released.

    and for more accuracy in your gear, you're basically asking SE to help you reach cap which is something that is your responsibility.

    You want more accuracy? It's on you. Which is what my first post is all about. GG
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