I feel like I'm underperforming as a dragoon.

Printable View

08-28-2015, 07:48 AM
RaidenJetstream

I feel like I'm underperforming as a dragoon.

This is a QQ thread, you've been warned.

My experiences with raiding lately have been mostly with Alexander Savage 1. I play a ilevel 192 dragoon and if our summoner is in the raid he's usually the highest dps while I'm 100ish behind.

Is this normal? What should be the normal numbers for a dragoon to put out in as1? I did read the dragoon guide on the forums and sorta know my rotations but I'm open to any tips/criticism you may have.

ty.
08-28-2015, 08:07 AM
Davester

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidenJetstream

This is a QQ thread, you've been warned.

My experiences with raiding lately have been mostly with Alexander Savage 1. I play a ilevel 192 dragoon and if our summoner is in the raid he's usually the highest dps while I'm 100ish behind.

Is this normal? What should be the normal numbers for a dragoon to put out in as1? I did read the dragoon guide on the forums and sorta know my rotations but I'm open to any tips/criticism you may have.

ty.

for any job and for something like drg with an rng-y rotation,the moment you say "sorta" know your rotation is the moment you don't make a Q.Q thread and go drill the rotation into your muscle memory
08-28-2015, 09:39 AM
SilverEphraim

It also depends. If you're talking about Faust, I've not once out-DPS'd my group's higher DPS Summoner (we have 2 Summoners in our group) straight from the parse even when Foe's isn't running because they get so much fake DPS from any aoe spell of theirs hitting the Sturm Dolls.
And on the Oppressor, if they're double dotting, then I imagine that it would be fairly difficult to out-DPS them. I don't know for sure on that though as I don't pay attention to the numbers as much in Oppressor fights since there's more stuff to do and so long as we hit certain health markers, I know we're pretty doing well.

I also agree with Davester, if you're attempting Savage, you might want to get your rotation down to muscle memory on a dummy. An occasional mistake is one thing (I make them still, and I have the rotation down to muscle memory at this point) but if you're actually unsure about how well you have your rotation down, committing it to muscle memory is the way to go.
08-28-2015, 12:07 PM
DkDerek

You need to know your rotation. Period. Figuring out ways to optimize your dps should be about uptime, not which buttons to press.

Alright, theres my add, theres my lazer. How can I get that add killed properly, while maintaining dot uptime on the boss. How's my blood of the dragon looking, I might have some downtime while positioning the add. Can i kill the add quick enough as to not wait for the resin bomb. Etc. Hitting a stationary boss....you really shouldn't make any mistakes.
08-28-2015, 12:16 PM
DestinovaTrueblade

It's kinda hard to beat SMN dps as melee in fights where they can multi-dot or aoe.
08-28-2015, 07:59 PM
Ronzeru

Ask whoever is checking your dps, to filter out all damage not on the main target. Then check again the results lol.
08-28-2015, 09:07 PM
Hitoseijuro

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidenJetstream

What should be the normal numbers for a dragoon to put out in as1?

1100, give or take 50.
08-28-2015, 09:39 PM
RapBreon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

1100, give or take 50.

Savage? That's...probably not? I mean unless you've got a fair bit of 210 then mmmok. But 1100 seems fairly high without many things working in your favour.
08-28-2015, 10:41 PM
whiskeybravo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

1100, give or take 50.

I would say 1100 is exceptional. For "normal" dragoon the bare min is around 900-950. (IIRC the drg who was server first on our server was 897) 1050-1150 would be what I expect after getting content on farm.

As others have stated, it would be hard to top smn if they are double dotting, and Faust parses should be looked at as Faust only. Splash dps on adds doesn't count, in that situation you should be well ahead (at least 100 dps).

Here's my first a1s clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciq8aFZcMvs

I missed a few opportunities for GK, and I burned botd early instead of saving it for after the last jump.. I died right at the end as well due to resin tick and gunnery pod double wammy, but we still cleared, don't have to be 100% perfect.
08-29-2015, 04:03 AM
Neyka

Quote:

Originally Posted by RapBreon

Savage? That's...probably not? I mean unless you've got a fair bit of 210 then mmmok. But 1100 seems fairly high without many things working in your favour.

It depends on which part of A1S you're talking about. For Faust only (not counting adds), a 190+ dragoon should be hitting at least 1100 (with no ninja/ast buffs).

For the oppressors, before the first jump, it's not hard to maintain around 1100 dps. The dead time during jumps will kill your dps numbers if you're tracking over the whole fight however. If your combat encounter end time is set to less than 30 seconds, your parse might only be reflecting the most recent phases, since the jump phase may cause your parse to consider each phase a new fight.
08-29-2015, 04:19 AM
Leonus

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I would say 1100 is exceptional. For "normal" dragoon the bare min is around 900-950. (IIRC the drg who was server first on our server was 897) 1050-1150 would be what I expect after getting content on farm.

With jumps and all being counted correctly, i would say, 1000-1100 is pretty solid numbers for a drg, depending on the gear at this point. I think if you've gotten over 1.1k then you had some pretty good things happen in that fight.

I mean, before the first jump, I myself an between 1.2-1.3k and i have to chase .5 across the map (i should maybe hold spineshatter dive) but if i am going to have to wait more than 6 seconds to use it, i just use it anyway.

After the first set of jumps, and each thereafter, it's always a battle to re-up your dps because they're in the air so long.

Also, RNGesus help you if your lasers spawn in a stupid way.
08-29-2015, 05:18 AM
whiskeybravo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonus

With jumps and all being counted correctly, i would say, 1000-1100 is pretty solid numbers for a drg, depending on the gear at this point. I think if you've gotten over 1.1k then you had some pretty good things happen in that fight.

I mean, before the first jump, I myself an between 1.2-1.3k and i have to chase .5 across the map (i should maybe hold spineshatter dive) but if i am going to have to wait more than 6 seconds to use it, i just use it anyway.

After the first set of jumps, and each thereafter, it's always a battle to re-up your dps because they're in the air so long.

Also, RNGesus help you if your lasers spawn in a stupid way.

No doubt it's solid, I was just saying I don't think that's the requirement to clear, but a number you'd see after a certain level of comfort with the encounter. Unfortunately, I'm on ps4 so can't share any numbers, I can ask next week for sure, but I'm sure if they weren't up to snuff someone would've said something.
08-29-2015, 02:09 PM
RapBreon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neyka

It depends on which part of A1S you're talking about. For Faust only (not counting adds), a 190+ dragoon should be hitting at least 1100 (with no ninja/ast buffs).

For the oppressors, before the first jump, it's not hard to maintain around 1100 dps. The dead time during jumps will kill your dps numbers if you're tracking over the whole fight however. If your combat encounter end time is set to less than 30 seconds, your parse might only be reflecting the most recent phases, since the jump phase may cause your parse to consider each phase a new fight.

I presumed the oppressors. Because 1100 is woeful on Faust.

If you're doing 1100 before the first jump. You're looking at a sub 950 parse.
08-29-2015, 02:35 PM
Hitoseijuro

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

1050-1150 would be what I expect after getting content on farm.

Hence why I said 1100, give or take 50, he asked for "normal numbers" for AS1 as a dragoon, this would cover having content on farm. Exceptional would be high 1100s-1300 as thats whats being reported by high dps raid's with drgs in it for AS1.

For a dragoon, starting out savage for the first couple of runs, 950s is a good number to aim for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RapBreon

Because 1100 is woeful on Faust.

They said "at least" this is to imply, the minimum, as your damage can be 1100 or 1900. Should have no problem being over 1100 is what they're trying to get across.
08-29-2015, 02:47 PM
RapBreon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

They said "at least" this is to imply, the minimum, as your damage can be 1100 or 1900. Should have no problem being over 1100 is what they're trying to get across.

That's so low on Faust I thought you were talking about Oppressors. Which by the sounds of it, was the correct assumption.
08-29-2015, 03:43 PM
Hitoseijuro

Quote:

Originally Posted by RapBreon

That's so low on Faust I thought you were talking about Oppressors. Which by the sounds of it, was the correct assumption.

I was, they arent. Right now, people should be around 1300-1400 single target on faust(no splash damage) depending on party make up. However this person is 190, And I dont know about their comp make up nor gear pieces, so If I was them I would look to be around 1250 and up.