Red Scrip > Stupendemys

Please increase the bite rate of this fish as it stands now I would currently have to burn through around 50-70 giant crane fly baits+rudderfish mooches per stumpendemy bite, even if pull it in at 560 gathering/440ish perception it is very often not meeting the collection requirement and very rare to get a bite during patience.

I do not know if it is the same for everyone else but for measly 18 scrip roughly when only roughly 2-3% chance to straight bite one and mere 10% rough chance even when mooching a HQ rudderfish...going through all that and burning through all those baits does not seem worthwhile fishing for this one.

For a fish that doesn't have weather/time requirements, I don't see the problem. Stupendemys and Capelin are avoided by, I dare say, 99% of the fishers when red scrip farming. Tiny axo and thunder eels are stress free, and on avg 6 per window.

SO, why would you rely on Stupendemys for red scrips?

I don't rely on them, I pointed out why I don't farm them anymore.

I want them to actually be worth farming though hence the thread.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Stupendemys and Capelin are avoided by, I dare say, 99% of the fishers when red scrip farming. Tiny axo and thunder eels are stress free, and on avg 6 per window.

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This statement wouldn't set off an alarm that some design flaw may exist?

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I don't rely on them, I pointed out why I don't farm them anymore.

I want them to actually be worth farming though hence the thread.

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Complain first think later, yeah? So where is the solution/idea to better this hassle of a problem?

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

This statement wouldn't set off an alarm that some design flaw may exist?

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It's not a design flaw.


Right now there is only 3,1 star, fish out of 11 and 2 out of 9 lvl 60 fish that's in the weekly rotation. That is only 5/20 fish used, does things make more sense now?

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Complain first think later, yeah? So where is the solution/idea to better this hassle of a problem

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It's in the very first sentence of the opening post.

Furthermore leaving ideas for how to fix a given problem is not a requirement for constructive feedback. The OP doesn't like how something works, they explained why, nothing more is necessary.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

It's in the very first sentence of the opening post.

Furthermore leaving ideas for how to fix a given problem is not a requirement for constructive feedback. The OP doesn't like how something works, they explained why, nothing more is necessary.

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The very first sentence of the opening post sounds very much like a personal complaint/hassle.

When someone comments how they can't catch fish even with high gathering/perc stats, they lose a lot of credibility. Some fish require a certain gathering to catch. Once that gathering is met, having higher gathering is meaningless. But of course. we all know that. right?

If storm chasers were red scrips people will be complaining that's too easy.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

The very first sentence of the opening post sounds very much like a personal complaint/hassle.

When someone comments how they can't catch fish even with high gathering/perc stats, they lose a lot of credibility. Some fish require a certain gathering to catch. Once that gathering is met, having higher gathering is meaningless. But of course. we all know that. right?

If storm chasers were red scrips people will be complaining that's too easy.

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I am not saying should be as easy as storm chasers but raising the bite rate from 2-3% to 10% from straight catch and from 10% to 20% from mooch would not be an unreasonable request for example. As you claimed 99% of people are not even bothering with it then that is a problem that should be addressed else there is no point in having it part of the scrip rotation.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Stupendemys and Capelin are avoided by, I dare say, 99% of the fishers when red scrip farming.

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This indicates a problem. If this many people are avoiding it, then it means that the fish's value compared to the effort is WAY out of sync. Either the fish needs to be easier to catch, or it needs to provide more scrips on turn-in to balance the low catch rate.

As it stands, its presence in the scrip roulette is a big "screw you" to fishers. So sorry, the Bad Fish turned up today. Hope you weren't planning on getting any scrips today!

Any mechanic that encourages fishers NOT to fish, isn't working properly.

I quit fishing for scrips entirely because it's such a pain in the tuckus.and since I don't have any other gatherers, I'm never going to get my cute red scrip fisher gear.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

It's not a design flaw.

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Is this a 1 star fish or a level 60 fish?

Ahahahaha....this is pretty funny given your comments on red scrips in general.

Funny how? Where did I say red scrips are working perfectly or not in need of improvements?

Feel free to quote/link any such examples. I think you will find all along I have been saying the system needs minor tweaks and balances. What I described in this thread is a minor balancing issue.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Is this a 1 star fish or a level 60 fish?

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It's a 1 star fish. Capelin, berserker betta, storm chaser, lavalord, loosetongue, barreleye, stupendemys, spring urchin, euphotic pirarucu, tornado shark, lungfish are all 1 star level 60 fish.

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Originally Posted by NaliaBrown

I quit fishing for scrips entirely because it's such a pain in the tuckus.and since I don't have any other gatherers, I'm never going to get my cute red scrip fisher gear.

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Uhhhh. level your other gatherers? It takes like a few days lol

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Originally Posted by Sartori

Uhhhh. level your other gatherers? It takes like a few days lol

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That's not really a solution.
"You don't like something? Change your class!" :x

I don't even use fisher for red strips anymore, miner and botanist cap my weekly far better than fisher does. Red strips for fisher needs a big major overhaul, even was using patience II sometimes i go without a fish for 2 mins cos the fish get's away compared to BTN and MIN where i can gather x6 items within 10 mins for nearly 60-70 red strips every 30 mins.

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Originally Posted by KleeneOnigiri

That's not really a solution.
"You don't like something? Change your class!" :x

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Actually, leveling the other Gatherers IS a solution. It is, in fact, the only solution, regardless of its palatability. The only other option, which is not really a solution at all because it does not address the problem, is to maintain the status quo, which is clearly not desirable. If it was, there would not be a problem requiring a solution, after all.

It's not a solution to stupendemys though, they still need to become a viable red scrip fish. Currently they are not despite being part of the red fishing scrip rotation. You can cap on other fish but that's not ideal either overall as SE should want all rotational fish to be worth farming even if at different difficulties but right now stupendemys are not worth bothering with so a slight adjustment to that specific fish would be my solution.

The issue is not Stupendemys though. The issue is capping red scrips, and the stupendemys is one means of working at it. You are saying that they are not good for their difficulty. The solution is to find something that works better. That's why raising the other Gathering classes is the solution. It provides a lot more options for capping RGS, many of which are superior.

Stupendemys are not the end, they are a means to an end. That's all.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Funny how? Where did I say red scrips are working perfectly or not in need of improvements?

Feel free to quote/link any such examples. I think you will find all along I have been saying the system needs minor tweaks and balances. What I described in this thread is a minor balancing issue.



It's a 1 star fish. Capelin, berserker betta, storm chaser, lavalord, loosetongue, barreleye, stupendemys, spring urchin, euphotic pirarucu, tornado shark, lungfish are all 1 star level 60 fish.

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Well I'm not sure if Fishing and Mining/Botany are comparable in this regard, but no Miner/Botanist ever goes for the 1* Red Scrip option. It's not so much that it's impossible to do, but rather that the stats required to cap collectability is much higher than the Adamantite/Greens. Also, the extra scrips doesn't outweigh the sacrifice of getting HQ legendary materials.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I am not saying should be as easy as storm chasers but raising the bite rate from 2-3% to 10% from straight catch and from 10% to 20% from mooch would not be an unreasonable request for example.

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Throw in all the 1* fish except storm chasers in the red scrip rotation, I bet you would still complain for a rate increase.

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Originally Posted by LukeStuz

I don't even use fisher for red strips anymore, miner and botanist cap my weekly far better than fisher does.

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Are you aware that you are comparing BTN and MIN Vs. FSH? BTN Vs FSH or MIN Vs. FSH by themselves, FSH will always get more per 30 mins.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Stupid stupendemys stupendous stupidest

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Thunder eels or tiny axo, work smarter not harder.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Well I'm not sure if Fishing and Mining/Botany are comparable in this regard...

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They are comparable

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Throw in all the 1* fish except storm chasers in the red scrip rotation, I bet you would still complain for a rate increase.

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...and you would be wrong. I would in fact ask SE to lower the bite/catch rate on storm chasers if they were within the scrip rotation.

I want it better balanced. I don't know why you find that so hard to understand.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Thunder eels or tiny axo, work smarter not harder.

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Go back and read what I said before. This particular fish is clearly not balanced adequately to entice people to make use of it in the red scrip rotation and like with anything SE creates for the players...SE wants people to make use of it. I do not know why your arguing against improving or resolving a problem with this specific fish of which you acknowledge 99% of fishers don't bother with it as it is not worth it currently. Some of us would rather not stick our fingers in ears, close our eyes and pretend there is no problem or possible improvement that could be made just because can fish for other things. What I am suggesting to SE is they improve the balance of this fish so people actually have a reason to fish for it by proxy make use of what SE created for them to make use of etc.

If your so happy fishing for other things and pretending everything is perfectly balanced and there are no problems with it then feel free to continue doing what you was doing before but some of us want all aspects of this game to be well balanced and worth making use of what SE put time and effort into creating, whether that goes for individual items or equipment, skills and/or classes, gathering/crafting and battle content. So you don't think there is a problem? Good for you, feel free to ignore this thread then and move on. Some of us do see a problem with it and would ideally like it better balanced, a minor change made and one that would not impact you in any negative way so why are you arguing against it? If 99% of people are not fishing for it then surely it is in theirs and your best interest that SE makes it worth fishing for.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

...and you would be wrong.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Throw in all the 1* fish except storm chasers in the red scrip rotation, I bet you would still complain for a rate increase.

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You do realize all 1* fish except/besides storm chaser are hard to catch right? They are 1* for a reason. I am not arguing more like questioning why only stupendemys?

stupendemys- all weather/no window. Capelin- fish eye/window. Loosetongue- fair,clear/window. I am actually surprised you aren't complaining about capelin, which is alot harder than stupendemys.

Capping both crafting/gathering red scrips is a hassle in it's self. Players like myself will find the quickest route to cap, with thunder eels/tiny axo/Adamantite Ore. What you are doing is taking the longest route.

I have not asked for any changes to capelin because I have so far only obtained two of the three location folklore tomes and that fish is in the remaining one I have yet to obtain. I made this thread mentioning stupendemys because that is the one I tried fishing for lately to see if it was worth it and the reality is it is not...that is a problem. However I will apply the same argument for addressing loosetongues and capelins if they too are not being fished by almost all fishers due to not being adequately balanced.

Whether it is loosetongues, capelins or stupendemys if almost no-one is bothering with them then there is a problem with either the reward/difficulty not being worth it comparatively with other options. My ideological point of view is not that everyone should ignore the harder content/activities because there is an easier option (ignoring the issue seems to be your point of view), instead my view is to make that harder content or activity worth doing too. The fish I mentioned fits that bill of not being worth it and perhaps so do capelins and loosetongues but just ignoring the problem is not the right solution. The fact you say you do the other easy red scrip options and not these along with 99% of other players according to you is also evidence in itself of the problem.

Your argument to me is much like saying if almost no-one did A1-4S then SE should not address the balance to entice people to do it...instead saying everyone should stick to only A1-4 non-savage and that the savage content should be or remain pointless and unused while I am saying if no-one is doing such then SE needs to address such a problem and/or it's time/effort balance issues. At least with savage the gear is adequate or more reasonable a reward, the reward for such fish as stupendemys is very much inadequate by comparison as you only gain a microscopic increase in red scrip from them compared to the much easier tiny axolotls etc. Most issues in this game only require minor tweaks to improve them and this is one of those such things.

There is a balance issue whether you are willing to admit it or not and it should be addressed rather than ignored despite your attempts to argue otherwise, especially when only very minor changes could resolve such issues. Put another way your argument to me would be like saying SE should not have made relic weapon quest improvements or component drop rates better or more balanced in the past because everyone else can take the easier option of raid or token exchange gear, the reality is the game is not improved by simply ignoring the problems.

I have to ask you again what damage, discomfort, pain or suffering would it cause you to have the fish I mentioned (and/or the other two types) issues addressed whether that means offering slightly more scrips to match the difficulty or making slightly easier to catch so the gap between difficulties of these vs other red scrip fish are more adequately balanced in an effort to tackle the problem of people only fishing for the easy ones and completely ignoring the harder ones? What are you hoping to accomplish by arguing against having the obvious balance issues addressed and why you are against my point of making the easier option and harder option both worth doing?

If your only participation in this thread is to say why stupendemys and not the others then I can tell you now it applies to any red scrip fish which are not appropriately balanced so people will actually make use of them and not pretend they don't exist, the reason I said stupendemys is because that is what I have been lately trying to fish to see if worth it and it's not. From my point of view that's a problem of which you admit to being such even if did not realize it by claiming you also ignore them for that same reason. You might not realize you are adding further evidence to what have said but you have done so by your own admission of why you do not bother with them either.

I have explained the issue I feel adequately. It's up to SE whether they ignore what I have said or take it on board and think about it now, whether they agree or not plus whether to address the issue and adjust the balance between hard/easy red scrip fish reward/efforts. I hope they don't have your mindset though and chose to ignore it just because there is an easy option and by proxy keeping the harder option a waste of everyone's time, I want both the hard and easy options to be worth doing.

You are going dragon's deep on this. Literally all fish that's not useful are one and done fish, that's how it was then and how it is now. We have these new patience skills now and it is extremely easy to HQ any fish.

I have caught my fair share of all 3 1* fish multiple times. Catching these fish is the easy part, getting the collectable rating is the hard part. To get to the collectable rating, patience skill is needed. There is also a lot more RNG involved, equally frustrating. Even with a slightly improved rate, at the end of the day, the same feeling of not getting enough red scrip. Then come to the forums to vent about it, and no you are not the only one.

You should start your draft on Capelin. This fish requires fish eye! Meaning patience skill will not be used! Which also means good luck on getting that collector rating! Not a fish for spoiled patience skill users!

Happy fishing!

I don't think that making this fish (or any of the other red scrip fish that fishers skip because the time investment isn't worth the effort) easier to catch is the solution. One star fish are difficult because the entire point of starred fish is to be difficult. However, BECAUSE some starred fish are more difficult than others, the scrip award should be adjusted accordingly. If, taking probabilities into account, you are likely to catch 6 of fish X in an hour and gain N scrips from it, if you are likely to only catch 3 of fish Y in the same amount of time, you should get N x 2 scrips for those.

SE has all the probabilities right in front of them since they have all the code. They know exactly how difficult it is to catch each kind of fish, and they should assign different scrip values accordingly.

Don't take probability into account, because each window is different. Tiny axo for example has a 3hr ET/ 9 mins window, and the 1* stupendemys has a 24hr ET/ 70mins window.

Like ALL online games "Game Experience May Change During Online Play"

Happy fishing!

Well then im belong to those 1%, since im like hunt stupendemys and capelin, as part of normal scrip hunting routine if those are listed, why? because those have a huge catch window than the normal ones and doesnt require you keep waiting all day for some specific times. About the difficult of stupendemys just remind that this fish in special was tweaked down due to the extremely easy catch, devs put in same fishhole cobrafish "A fanged fish native to the skies above Tharl Oom Khash." (though is interesting how so much that fish can fly from it native region to there). Also the rate not for stupendemys is not so bad, but right it could be better but it seems fair now, since you can get it 90% of day and any weather. (by the way each throw with that giant crane you have kinda 2 chances to get it, one directly and other having the hq rudderfish, and mooch for it)

For capelin is just fun get it as you have 6 hours game time to get it hehehe, not too hard to get.

What happens is mostly all the contrary the eel and tiny axo are very easy to caught.

http://i.imgur.com/OWoTfT8.png?1

The one saving grace is that it is in the same zone as Adamantite.