I was thrilled to see how the patch would affect the game. New content, quests, everything was really nice! I'm enjoying it alot. However, I got "distracted" by all this fun to ignore levelling my gladiator from 49 to 50 because I had so much other stuff to do. So..
Today I went to do the leves I had had for a while in my journal book. Oh, I got just in time to do a behest, I thought, heh, what the heck, a quick 4,4k SP right there. So I got to be alone in the behest, no one else was with me. That's when the fun started. Monsters were around my level, it takes +1-2 minutes to defeat a single monster of my own level. All in all, when I did finish the behest, I had 3 minutes and 30 seconds left on the timer.
That's nearly the duration of the whole behest, being 20 ish minutes or so. What did I get? 3,3k SP as a reward. Over 1k less than before the patch and further more, defeating behest taking nearly 15 minutes longer than it did before. Sure you get more SP from the monsters, but it still does not make up for the timesink it creates. I had fun before defeating enemies in a swift manner, now it takes a lot more time.
Sure ok.. I thought maybe the behest mobs were just harder than the leve mobs now, so I went in and took a levequest. Stuff that I was able to rank 5 stars before. R40 leve as a R49 right, shouldn't be a hard thing. Ranking 5 stars pulled the mobs to 2-3 levels above me. I got 3 mobs on me at once, I couldn't even kill them without nearly dying. By the time I finished the leve as 5 stars, I had around 8 minutes left on the timer. Just for reference, to get the bonus from a levequest, you have to defeat it before the 23 minute mark. So.. then I just simply had to drop my levequest difficulty to 1 star, and even doing so, having the mobs nearly 10 levels BELOW me, I could manage to defeat the mobs to around 24 minutes, leaving me a minute spare time.
I can understand that they wanted to enforce partying exp, but the change just killed soloing completely. Personally, I'd like to see a melee class, doesn't matter which one, defeat those leves without any healing abilities whatsoever. It'd be impossible. Even with R50 conjurer and R50 thaumaturge spells, I had hard time not getting killed on a R40 leve as a R49 gladiator.
To make a summary of this.. stuff that used to be done in 5 minutes, now takes 20 minutes instead, with the same rewards. Doing leves is pointless now, when comparing to exp parties. In one of my LS'ses today I read that people had got from R45 to 50, in less than 5 hours. Getting over 400k SP during that time. I can't see this happening with leves anymore or people who like to solo.
This is quite a serious issue in my opinion, what do you think?
Solo leveling is broken.
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10-06-2011, 07:42 PMNasibihcSolo leveling is broken.
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10-06-2011, 07:45 PMBled
really another one...
Is there something wrong with posting these related topics in ONE THREAD! my god its a page full of repeated threads whining.
I don't mean to belittle your opinion but there is just as many threads stating they are getting better sp. Is one person more wrong then the other who knows, what i can tell you is give the patch time to settle before you start QQ'ing at least.
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10-06-2011, 08:15 PMNasibihc
If you'd actually read my post with a thought, you'd notice that I'm mostly talking about the time that you have to invest in doing these things in comparison to the time you used on them before to get a better reward. Sometimes I even wonder why the hell do I even want to say any critisism about this game, when there are patriots like you who rush in and point out at people flaming them as "whiners" or "QQ:ers" when they're just respectively stating their opinion about a matter or another. And about your comment to the "really another one.." This just proves the point that I'm not alone with this opinion and something should be done about this. To post your opinion in a thread that has hundreds of replies, it just gets lost without hardly anyone probably even reading it, is the only reason why I wanted to make a post of my own.
However sometimes, it just feels like it doesn't matter what people say here on these forums. SE won't hear them anyways. Same thing was said when MP cost on heals were made 4 times more than before. People were like "oh yea, SE makes mistakes, it'll probably be fixed in the next patch" Well, it didn't, and it will not get fixed. Still having cures cost that much MP is absurd, especially now when killing stuff is a lot harder.
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10-06-2011, 08:22 PMGreatLeviathan
SE should ban the trolls on this forum that prolly just farm money or something.
Anyway..
I agree. It has become hard to solo..
And also SE should not be forcing people to play in party's..
Not everyone loves to follow 1 leader around to where he wants to go.
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10-06-2011, 08:24 PMNero
Oh.. challenge? really? Damn...
The only thing i really dislike from the patch is that we get the same amount of SP in leves than we had pre 1.18. As in 600 SP a kill + The Bonus at the End. So People will tend to do leves again, instead of doing Parties. Its still doable tho. I finished my Archer yesterday on 5 star'ing leves. Was rough but doable and finally i had to think of what i do, instead of one-shotting Stuff. -
10-06-2011, 08:33 PMMariyaShidou
It's not harder to solo, it's just that anything got the worded "Dated" sucks compared to the new Shiny Stuff. Unless you have full Darkhold gears, you will be much less effective. This is even more apparent for DoW because you rely on Equipment to be effective a lot more than DoM. SE sneakily "wiped" your progression and make you start from scratch in term of gears.
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10-06-2011, 08:36 PMNero<_< 5 Star leves means the Mobs are +12 Ranks and no you cant oneshot them due Arc-Nerf. Im fine with it tho, i like the changes about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariyaShidou
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10-06-2011, 08:43 PMMariyaShidouYes you can, for certain mobs at certain level. Even after the change, some mobs do have much less Hp than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
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10-06-2011, 08:45 PMGreatLeviathan
Crafters are not working hard enough.. Wards are empty or way overpriced.. lolz
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10-06-2011, 08:46 PMMariyaShidou
No, Gatherers are not working hard enough. I put up stuff for cheap (mostly spear) and they are gone in an hour.
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10-06-2011, 08:48 PMNeroIm just talking about 5 star leves. Where i oneshotted i.e. Hogs easy and after changes and 5 star i cant do it anymore. anyways.. i said im fine with it to use my brain instead of oneshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariyaShidou
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10-06-2011, 09:19 PMHubert
Solo leveling is not broken by any means, it was just too good before. As you said, if you can just solo leves and get 400k SP why would anyone bother joining a party? Mobs are tougher, you lose durability upon death, and now XP chains. It is fairly obvious that the direction this game is going is towards party play - as it should be. This is an MMORPG. If you really still want to solo, levequests are still there and still award nice xp. Just don't expect to blow through mobs 10 levels above you in a matter of seconds anymore.
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10-06-2011, 09:26 PMJigg
First off, behest is a group event so it should be really hard for someone to do solo.
Secondly, learn to read the popups instead of just pushing buttons.
Leves now work like this:
1 Star - Monsters are the recommended level for the leve.
2 Stars - Monsters are 3 levels above the rcommended level
3 Stars - Monsters are 6 levels above
4 Stars - Monsters are 9 levels above
5 Stars - Monsters are 12 levels above
So, take a leve with a recommended level of 20:
1 Star - level 20
2 Stars - level 23
3 Stars - level 26
4 Stars - level 29
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10-06-2011, 09:31 PMForbin
if behest is a time sink.. just quit playing the game.. seriously.. MMO's are not for you..
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10-06-2011, 09:42 PMBartelThat's because it's not whining, it's the truth. Do you not realize yet that almost EVERYONE is in agreement that soloing just took a massive hit? At higher levels it isn't even NEARLY as bad as it is at lower levels.Quote:
Is there something wrong with posting these related topics in ONE THREAD! my god its a page full of repeated threads whining.
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10-06-2011, 10:19 PMJiggActually, the majority of people are probably going to be happy with the changes to solo content because it's more of a challenge. It was crazy to be able to solo mobs 5 - 10 levels higher. They've fixed it finally and people need to adjust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartel
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10-06-2011, 10:25 PMJinko
SE said they planned to make behest much harder and more a group thing, why are you complaining ?
They have shifted the game more to a group orientated thing, find someone to duo or trio with, make some friends for god sake its the whole purpose of playing an online game isn't it.
Granted the lack of party finding functions now stick out worse than ever but hopefully they will sort this issue in the next couple of patches and the game will be pretty solid as far as XP partying goes. -
10-06-2011, 10:39 PMGreatLeviathanBs. Soloing has become almost impossible. +3 lvls and your screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigg
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10-06-2011, 10:41 PMGreatLeviathanNope thats not the basic of an Online game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
Online games are made for infinit gaming.
People can choose to go through them in party following someone else like a weak dog.
Or they can be the leader dog going by their own.
I rather solo then follow people around like a lil puppy :-) -
10-06-2011, 10:41 PMXeno
WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME!
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10-06-2011, 10:44 PMTunaTime
If they really want us to level in parties why not make it easier to find party members? Shouting for 30min + in Ul'dah to find ppl to join a group is just... Zzzz ZzzzzzZzzz...
The way you seach for group members in FFXI wasn't that bad but SE shouldn't have any problems making a 2011 version that rocks... or.... -
10-06-2011, 10:48 PMOnidemonI don't think that making monsters go down a lot slower while increasing SP is a good idea. It takes way too long to kill mobs now and leveling solo is a big pain. They are just regular monsters, i don't need to feel like im fighting an epic battle that lasts 5-10 min to defeat a regular stupid mob.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasibihc
I want to be able to kill a whole bunch of them in a row and quickly... i want to feel my character's power..... reduce SP if you have to but make it that i can chain a bunch of them while solo and i'll be happy. -
10-06-2011, 11:05 PMMolly_Millions
Solo leveling is nowhere near broken. Try some company leves.
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10-06-2011, 11:18 PMHaibel
I never do anything in more then a trio. I solo most of the time and the game is perfect in regards
to time spent vs. risk vs. reward. I have not had one problem going around soloing open world or leve's
I do leve's at one start and get better EXP then I did before the patch. yeah I spend more time doing it.
but that makes it a lot more fun then it was before. And I still make more per play session then I did before.
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10-06-2011, 11:24 PMHaibelAdapt you fool. fighting +3 is not the way to go about it. Yoshi said 2 damn months ago that the planQuote:
Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan
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10-06-2011, 11:40 PMValmonteCorrection Crafters are Pissed, and are probably quitting the game as this is typed. out of all the crap crafters got hit the worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan
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10-07-2011, 12:28 AMgrandm
i prefer solo to party play. although party is ok. but forming parties, and playing follow the leader blah. and yes solo is now harder but wait i think you are over looking something.
i think when the new gear starts to filter through solo'ing will get easyier (probally not as easy as it was, thats not a bad thing) add to that the new materia. i guess we should wait and see. don't forget yoshi-p did say he always wants there to be a solo option, for ppl that want it. think i might do work on my gathering and crafting till the new gear comes through -
10-07-2011, 12:30 AMSigtyr
The differences between dated gear and newer gear of the respective ranks is miniscule.
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10-07-2011, 12:46 AMmoizeusQuote:
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10-07-2011, 01:02 AMSputnik
JUST QUIT QQ
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10-07-2011, 02:24 AMneizero
Mobs take a lot longer to kill solo, but they also give out a lot more exp than before...
Previously a R40 mob would give your R38 char maybe 80 SP? Now that same mob gives you 470 EXP. (I just did the test)
It not only evens out I think exping solo is now much faster, the only caveat is you have to pay attention to your game to stay alive. -
10-07-2011, 02:36 AMMolly_Millions
Indeed. Leveling is much more fun now, solo or in a group.
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10-07-2011, 02:43 AMShadowedgeI find this insulting. And you're wrong. MMO is an acronym for massive multiplayer online... So yes, playing with others is the basic fundamental of an MMO. If you're only playing the game solo, you're doing it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan
And how does playing with others equate to being a weak dog? I play online games so I can play with my friends, as do most other people. And guess what... friends tend to make decisions collectively. Didn't you know that? Maybe not, since going by your own doesn't make you a leader dog -- it makes you a lone dog. -
10-07-2011, 02:56 AMMolly_MillionsIt takes much more to lead a group of people than only yourself. It takes even more to have that group be willing to follow in you time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan
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10-07-2011, 03:08 AMHanemakikaze
Multiplayer - a mode of play involving more than one player at one time in a computer or video game
This does not, in any way mean you should have to party with others, this term simply means you're not the only player around. Just because there are more people around, does not mean you should be forced to play with others when we are talking about an mmo. The basic fundamental of an mmo is having your own customized character that fits your play style and leveling it as you see fit, whether it be with others or by yourself. While I'm not agreeing with the OP completely, they honestly did go overboard with the new linking feature, but that is about it everything else is fine. Bottom line is this, not everyone plays the same way another does so arguing about another persons play style is pretty pointless.
On a side note to the OP: Try the Grand Company leves when you get there, very good exp solo if that's your aim.