Level 16 Conjurer Trait Change?

So coming from a Scholar main, that watches his White Mage Hubby play, I do have to say White mage is very powerful in terms of healing and even in DPS, although somewhat boring. ;-;

Conjurer's give all other classes their most interesting mechanic:
Cleric Stance. Its the Fairy equivalent to scholar and the Card equivalent to Astrologian.

Why not change the old Proshell trait into something Cleric stance related that REWARDS the healer side of a conjurer as well as its DPS side for dipping into cleric stance once in a while. It is a very low level skill trait, so it would be limited to what a Conjurer has already learned.

Skills below level 16:

http://i.imgur.com/WRY2hhI.png

The trait could be: Upon leaving Cleric Stance the next Cure cast will cost no MP or Upon leaving Cleric Stance the next Cure cast will have an increased potency. or dare I say Upon leaving Cleric Stance the next Cure will have no casting time. O-O This last one seems best, giving Cnj/Whm a mini Tetragramaton/Lustrate on the Global CD to jump back into healing with or to save for its duration.
Duration: 10 seconds.

These are the current traits:

http://i.imgur.com/MGlRfrx.png

Some people seem pretty dissatisfied with the "specialness" of White Mage. Some people don't really feel the new Medica trait. I just think that in all this is a Conjurer's most unique skill, that should get some treatment. :3

Just some thoughts!
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Wow that 1000 character limit wrecked this post ;-;

Strictly speaking Cleric Stance can be used by the other two Jobs as a cross class skill, however using Traits to give it or other WHM skills unique mechanics or utility would be a way of moving their design focus way from pure healing throughput.

It's an interesting idea, but I feel that increasing healing potency/MP cost upon leaving CS would just encourage people to switch stances just for the MP/potency benefit, rather than actual DPS.

I'd much rather see an accuracy bonus added to the WHM for Cleric Stance, since it's the only healer that currently has to contend with accuracy for their DoTs.

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

It's an interesting idea, but I feel that increasing healing potency/MP cost upon leaving CS would just encourage people to switch stances just for the MP/potency benefit, rather than actual DPS.

I'd much rather see an accuracy bonus added to the WHM for Cleric Stance, since it's the only healer that currently has to contend with accuracy for their DoTs.

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But accuracy might come in time on Gear and then it will be an overkill stat. I dont see a problem with a mana starved WHM throwing down a regen and Stance dancing to get a free cure in while they recovery some MP(if it goes the reduces mana cost route.)

I really love the skill its one of the reasons why FF14 has so much allure as a healer. Conjurers deserve a little extra for letting us borrow it and Proshell protect. @.@ <3

Imagine that Blue moon chance where a white mage could:

Cleric Stance
Free Cure
Triggers Free Cure II
Triggers Half cost Cure III (For Funsies of course)

xD

Honestly, I think the weirdest thing about healers is how Cleric Stance(a level 6 conjurer skill) makes the whole archtype work. A scholar without cleric stance is... really bad, actually. Try it, the biggest allure of the scholar is totally gone. And who in the world would be able to stomach soloing as an Ast without it? Try that too! They don't even have good potencies! Gear all has mind on it, all our weapons have mind on them, and we like it cause it lets us do damage as well as heal. The quest design and several activities are based on the idea that every class can hold their own, and the itemization is based on the idea that mind is an all purpose stat, and none of that would work at all without cleric stance.

I don't think it should take up a slot. I think it should be an additional level 1 ability that conjurers get, or a level 1 ability for Ast/Cnj and level 30 ability for scholar. This frees up a slot at level 6 for something new, defining, and interesting for the white mage(the possibilities are endless!) while doing no harm at all to anyone. There isn't another cross class skill like this, the whole healer gameplay experience is based on the idea that all of them have cleric stance.

cleric stance is kind of just one of those remnants from 1.0, not really a WHM class defining thing
kind of like how every physical dps can sub lancer because of invigorate
or how every tank can sub gladiator because of provoke

Sure, it would make a heck of a lot more sense if every healer had their own unique version of cleric stance since it is basically mandatory
but as it is works too in it's own way


The medica trait actually fits the WHM theme really well too. procs for super efficient healing is kind of a WHM thing


honestly imo they should just do away with cleric stance make healer nukes based off MND and have no miss chance.
Give white mages a whole new spell or repurpose cleric stance to an entirely different thing like a short term damage buff
If your casting damage spells your obviously not healing, don't really need a flag to say that. Especially one that doesn't take any gcd time to toggle and has kind of a nasty habit of sometimes refusing to click off and no mini-cooldown on the click off to prevent the accidental double-click stuck in cleric stance for 5 seconds(often times one followed by the other... lol)

The enhanced medica trait gives medica a 20% chance to cost less mana, but you have no way of knowing when it will trigger. The trait just seems to be an afterthought. I will say though that ~600 less mana would help allot. The trait doesnt really lower the cost of Medica, it seems more like it refunds the mana. You cant cast the spell unless you have 1200 mana. If it triggers it turns out it only cost you 600. Woots. You saved mana.

I like the idea of having CS proc a free Cure, which can then go on to chain more WHM traits, but I feel instant cast Cure would foster a desire to DPS and to heal, not overheal.

You know I...I sometimes forget Cleric is one of ours? Is that odd? I guess because, as said, it is pretty essential to all healers and ends up feeling more like a general healer trait than a WHM thing.

I like the idea. I'll totally fess up to rarely bothering to stance dance as a WHM unless I'm bored or the dps really need the help if only because I find killing anything as WHM dull as a bag of stones and I much prefer to remain in a pure healing position unless I feel pretty confidant no one in my party is magically compelled to step on red ground markers. Something like that would be a nice way to add a little twist to them in comparison to the healers borrowing the move without upsetting any balances. It would mostly just make it feel a bit smoother transitioning if you knew you had a heal waiting for you. Heck even that would be kind of neat. If bouncing out of cleric dropped an aoe heal (medica maybe?) central to the last mob you damaged (that way it requires you to actually dps). Put it on a falloff timer of some nature so it can't be spammed. Or even a percentage chance like Freecure. 15% chance that dropping out of cleric stance will cast the heal central to casters last target. No idea. But really nice idea to fiddle with cleric as a possible trait change. Very nice :D. I agree that I really never take much notice of enhanced medica.

(also very glad I'm not the only one who sometimes gets frisky with the cleric stance button and ends up back in it. I killed a tank once in Titan doing that and I think it scarred me for life. XD)

I would much prefer for them to replace it with an enhanced aero trait that extends aero's duration to 30seconds, or something like that. That way it is more potency that stone 3 and lines up with fluid aura better

Maybe SE could add a trait to CS where it would increase the shield from Stoneskin back to 18% while you're in cleric. You'd be able to shield a good amount while still on cleric stance and would give WHM an edge over the other healers who need to turn off cleric to do anything.
Too bad the Dev team said SS would be too powerful if it kept the 18% shield and removed this, now it might not come back...

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Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade

Too bad the Dev team said SS would be too powerful if it kept the 18% shield and removed this, now it might not come back...

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Yeah... Graniteskin going away wasn't to equalize SS among the other healers & PLD, it was just a long term balance thing from the sound of it. (I kinda don't agree because mobs have scaled up to hit just as hard, but it is what it is...)

Medica proc could be improved. Like the esuna one, it's effect is so small and you can go entire fights without it proc'ing... Freecure has a much better chance simply because it's on a spell that's oft spammed.

Personally I would like a trait to enhance Cleric Stance in some way like lower MP usage by 5-10%, increase crit chance, increase accuracy, 10% damage reduction on the user while CS is in effect, even a RNG chance that negative status effect duration would double like Aero or Heavy (not in PVP, extended heavy or sleep would be horrible for the enemy). One of those or something equally useful.

For Stoneskin trait I would like the MP cost reduced by half or maybe a 10% reflect damage buff (up to double the amount of HP that stoneskin produces) while Stoneskin is up. Being this is a Stoneskin trait, it won't effect Stoneskin II.

Something useful then the laughable traits they fished out of a hat.

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Originally Posted by Niroken

increase accuracy

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I would sacrifice a thousand lalafells for this.

The rest of your ideas have mechanics that are too interesting for SE, though.

Well, since they've focused a bit more in WHM's DPS in this expansion why not do as Niroken said?
Increase acc by an amount
Increase crit by an amount
LOWER THE MP USAGE by an amount
That sound pretty cool.

Also, in my personal opinion that raise trait is plain useless, make raise aways work in battles but make the spell exclusive to WHMs/CNJs so other jobs won't raise others while in battle. Replace that trait with graniteskin or a trait that allows the usage of Stoneskin 2 while in battle.
Also i think that Selene's fey caress (the AOE esuna) should be a WHM spell, it has nothing to do with SCH or its concept it just feels weird in SCH to me, it would fit the WHM concept perfectly.
The BRD "Detriment shield" should be a SCH skill.... so basicaly, SCH got a skill that should be a WHM skill, and BRD gets an skil that should be a SCH skill.... this is just a mess XD
Of course, just my opinion.
Just another thing, the cure 3 trait is not that useful too, why not change that to "x% chance that the next Cure 3 will cost half mp and have 10y (or maybe 15) radius"??? That would be awesome in my opinion, and it would fit the "AOE burst healer" theme pretty well.

Am I the only one that kinda wishes they'd get rid of it? Yes?

I thought so.

On topic, as for the cs trait, why not something that increases the user's accuracy, as well as extends the WHM's DoTs? Possibly a 15% chance to reset durations on a successful stone 3hit?

The idea was to create a dps stance incentive for cnj for using cleric stance, not directly a damage buff. A hey here a free cure to get you back into healing or here's a swift cure so you can stance dance faster X3

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Originally Posted by Muahbec

Also i think that Selene's fey caress (the AOE esuna) should be a WHM spell, it has nothing to do with SCH or its concept it just feels weird in SCH to me, it would fit the WHM concept perfectly.
And that bard "Detriment shield" should also be a WHM spell.

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SCH AoE Esuna making more sense as a WHM skill, sure.
BRD status protection ability making more sense as a WHM skill rather than a SCH skill? Not so much sense.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

SCH AoE Esuna making more sense as a WHM skill, sure.
BRD status protection ability making more sense as a WHM skill rather than a SCH skill? Not so much sense.

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Hmmm...yeah you're right, i'll edit my post.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

SCH AoE Esuna making more sense as a WHM skill, sure.
BRD status protection ability making more sense as a WHM skill rather than a SCH skill? Not so much sense.

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The Aoe Esuna is very situational and has a minute cd. XD
Trying to focus on the trait :o

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

The Aoe Esuna is very situational and has a minute cd. XD
Trying to focus on the trait :o

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I was just commenting based on the original post I quoted. I'm well aware of what Selene's ability does, since she is my go-to faerie for most things.

I didn't mean to sound harsh or anything. I had to clock back in to work and didn't have much time to type xD