Yesterday, when gaining levels for the Monk and taking the Level 45 challenge, I noticed that not only do I get the Monk's Level 45 gear but I also get the Level 50/Item Level 90 gear too. This means that a lot of gear that can be obtained in the High Level series of dungeons is weaker than gear that you get by doing the Level 45 and 50 Job challenges.
Because of this, I would like to make a formal request to have all gear found in High Level dungeons which were introduced from Patch 2.1 to Patch 2.4 be replaced due to their redundancy, with more of crafting items like the Hardened Sap and the Lime Sulphur. Logically speaking, it just makes sense to do this because so much gear will never get used.
High Level Dungeon Gear Is Redundant
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08-26-2015, 11:41 AMNovauraHigh Level Dungeon Gear Is Redundant
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08-26-2015, 11:47 AMTintthere were never an use for that gear besides glamour and getting gc seals. the dungeon gear was outdatet at release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Novaura
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08-26-2015, 11:53 AMAlistaire
This isn't even true. The job challenge stuff is i50, body i55, and dungeon drops start at i55. The only way to get the job-specific i90 gear now is thru dungeons. They basically skipped making a dungeon-specific i90 set and rebranded the previous i90 tome gear as those dungeon drops.
Also desynth means your request should never be done. -
08-26-2015, 11:55 AMInferiaeWith introduction of Heavensward, your level 45 and 50 quests give you the old Myth set, i90. Plus the normal i50/55 AF gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-26-2015, 11:58 AMZodiar
You will not take my glamor
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08-26-2015, 12:03 PMEhr
Except that gear was relevant when the dungeons were implemented in their patches. Back when 2.0 launched, tomes were actually somewhat difficult to grind out and very time consuming, so dungeon gear was a good replacement until you got the tomes needed for tome gear. The dungeons at the times of their implementation helped bridge the gap and assisted newer players in getting into higher ilvls of gear and thus the higher ilvl dungeons. Also before they made it so each treasure chest in High Level roulette dungeons dropped 1 piece of gear and 1 crafting material, 70% of the time it would be a crafting material and I'm pretty sure I remember a lot of desynth levelers complaining about this.
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08-26-2015, 12:13 PMAlistaireOh wow. OK then, just the desynth issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferiae
And the fact they made everything drop both gear + mats where before it was one or the other. Can't really expect any more than that. -
08-26-2015, 12:31 PMNestamaNot entirely. The i60 stuff that dropped from AK was decent to have when doing Ifrit HM and Garuda HM. Having some pieces mixed in with your DL set was also alright, so long as you had more than 3200HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
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08-26-2015, 01:33 PMDisFlavored
I do NOT want more crafting item drops. One of the biggest complaints I heard when they started this was "OMG STOP GIVING ME MATS I DON'T WANT THEM I DON'T CRAFT". The only time you wanted these mats was when you were endgame crafting and didn't want to spend those hard earned tomes. Almost all of these can now be bought with chump change version of GC seals.
The gear exists now solely for glamour or seals. -
08-26-2015, 01:38 PMAshkendorhttp://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/24..._office-no.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Novaura
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08-26-2015, 01:41 PMAzperhttp://i.imgur.com/w7j7xnU.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Novaura
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08-26-2015, 02:28 PMTheGrimace
Turn in the items and just get more hardened sap and lime sulphur that way.
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08-26-2015, 06:00 PMFelisNot 100% rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Tint
They were also good to upgrade the gears on alts while you needed the tomes for the main.
Only because at the start the dungeons gave mats it was mats or gears. There was no complain anymore after the devs changed it to mats and gearQuote:
Originally Posted by DisFlavored
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08-26-2015, 06:09 PMYumi_umi
In ye old days amdapor gear & wanderers palace gear were used to clear ifrit hm.
Remember the
SAVE CASTER LB3 FOR NAILS OMGGGG
Cuz dps was so low back then
But now? Its only for gc turn ins/ glamour cuz as soon as u hit 50 u get bombsrded with all this super easy to get i100+ gear lol -
08-26-2015, 06:09 PMLeadleaf
Fistfighter's Jackcoat is pretty boss. What you want me to dye an archaeoskin jacket? Ew.
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08-26-2015, 06:24 PMAshkendorRight? Dirty bird leather, gross. >:|Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadleaf
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08-26-2015, 07:42 PMTheodric
There's really no need to remove the gear from the game. It serves a purpose in the form of glamour, or for people to kit out their retainers with some reasonably decent gear that they don't need themselves. You can also turn it in for seals at your Grand Company!
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08-26-2015, 09:00 PMCrimsonThunder
If they change the drops to crafting mats then I can personally guarantee you that you will never see a run for these dungeons again.
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08-26-2015, 10:50 PMLineageRazor
If you don't want the gear, trade it in to your Grand Company and use the seals you get to buy whatever Crafting item you want. This leaves the the gear to still be available for folks who want to obtain it for Glamour purposes.
The system is fine as it is. Want the gear? It's there to have. Crafting drops? They're there, too. Get gear you don't want? trade it in for seals, and use the seals to buy crafting drops. Pretty much everybody wins. -
08-26-2015, 11:07 PMNyalia
That gear is a useful stepping stone during desynth leveling. I certainly appreciated it when leveling LTW. I didn't run the dungeons just for the gear for desynth, but when I ran roulettes, having drops that gave me desynth experience was more rewarding to me than just getting materials would have been. Even now that I'm way past that point and don't get desynth exp, the ilvl 70+ dungeon drops can still give BC3s, which are still somewhat valuable. Dungeon drops from the level 51-59 dungeons can NOT desynth into BC3s (only BC2s), meaning, that darklight stuff is often more useful for desynthing than stuff 79 ilvls higher from much later dungeons.
tl;dr: There is no reason to remove content, and that content still serves a purpose. -
08-26-2015, 11:12 PMAssirra
"I don't like it so they have to go"
Why can't people just for a fraction of a second think, they might not be alone an mmo? -
08-27-2015, 01:25 AMMakedaUnless you did the level 45 before then, and are coming in now - then you're locked out of the iLevel 90 stuff and need other pathways to catch up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferiae
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08-27-2015, 01:58 AMNyaliaCrafted level 50, i115 gear is cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeda
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08-27-2015, 02:20 AMRedgate
No, no, no. You know what's REALLY redundant? Un-dyeable dungeon drops.
What is this crap? Why? What is the point? You're just going to put in a dyeable version after we whine about wanting it, but in red this time, so why not just do it anyway the first time?
The Orthodox set from the Aery is the perfect example. The tank chest looks AMAZING... Except it's teal. A very ugly ass teal that doesn't match with anything else, because it's teal and looks terrible. But I mean, I'll enjoy waiting until 3.2 for it to be added with ridiculous craft requirements so crafters can kick me in the family jewels and take my wallet for more cosmetics (one's that I literally already own the model to), I guess. -
08-27-2015, 02:32 AMMakedaThat's a matter of perspective I suppose. If you don't have level 60s giving you the amount of gil 60s content rewards, those crafted items from Heavensword are absurdly priced. At least on my server they start at 200,000 gil and go up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyalia
Its my Miqot'e that was hit by this, and she's my tank. Basically until I hit far enough into the main story, I'm running around with half my gear half the iLevel of the rest, and it means I have to seriously struggle to hold threat on any group content - and while I'm as a result avoiding tanking for now, the 2.1 through to start of Heavensword have a couple of mandatory story related group bosses to fight.
Not to mention all the dungeons at the end of 2.0 - were very difficult. But its a short slog so this is more of an annoyance than a major complaint. Well, it is more just pointing out that there is a missing gear tier now for some players.
When they added that stuff to the level 45 Job quests, they should have added some way for people past those quests to get it. Some of it looks nicer than the straight level 45 stuff, and it was removed from the vendor you used to buy it from - so my Miqot'e will never have the option to use that as a Glamour set. And this I suspect will be a complaint for some - though that particular set it not one I planned to glamour anyway. -
08-27-2015, 03:29 AMNyaliaWow, they're like, 10k to craft. Provide materials and request an FC-mate make it for you? If you were on my server, I'd do it for you, but you're not =\Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeda
You'll get handed the i110 soldiery set from quests later on. The i110 accessories come from the 2.3 quests prior to the Ramuh fight, and the i110 body pieces come from the quests after that point through the end of 2.4. It looks like they added the i70 "phil"/darklight accessories and i80 giantsgall weapons to the 2.1 questline, the "myth"/Hero's accessories and the Extreme Primal quest weapons to the 2.2 questline, the i110 "soldiery" accessories and hats to the 2.3 questline, and the i110 "soldiery" non-hat armor and weapons to the 2.4 questline.. The 2.5-2.55 still has no rewards, but I'll bet they'll add the i130 "poetics" gear there once they remove Poetics.
The myth set, the stuff that looks like the level 45(50 chest)/i50(i55 chest) AF set, actually does drop from dungeons. You can get it from the 2.4 dungeons if you want it for glamour later. It's actually really great because instead of having the gear drop, you get tokens instead which you can trade in for the i90 myth gear for any class, your choice. That doesn't help you get to that point, but once there, you can definitely still get the gear. If you're level 50, without even running the story, you should be able to queue for Qarn HM and Sastasha HM which both drop the tokens. The only dungeon that drops that gear that you can't run without doing the 2.4 story first is Snowcloak.
The items, by the way, are the "Antique" armor pieces, which you trade in to a person in Rowena's House of Splendors in Mor Dhona, room on the right, person on the right.
The soldiery gear, I'm not sure how to get, but I think you can get it via the 2.x Hunt rewards (Allied Seals)? -
08-27-2015, 03:36 AMFelis
Have fun to level up desynthese after ilv 70 without lv50 dungeon gears
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08-27-2015, 03:47 AMJayCommonBut!!Quote:
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08-27-2015, 04:16 AMTerrini
Umm... Dungeon gear is actually the old Tome gear after the old tomes were faze out with every other set. Darklight (ilvl 70) was the original Philosophy Tome Gear (now obtainable in Lost City of Amdapor series of dungeons). Antiques (i90 class gear) were the original Mythology tome gear (now obotainable from tokens obtained in Snowcloak series of dungeons), ect. So Dungeon gear is essentially meant as glamor gear from the get go. It's always weaker than the tome gear you were grinding the dungeons for tomes for and usually released that stuff after better gear was in the game for a while.
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08-27-2015, 04:33 AMWelsper59Yeah seriously, I don't think people realize how simple it is to get those. 200 GC seals for 1 of them. Even just leveling something in the event FATEs at Costa will net you a ton of them in a short time of leveling in FATEs that barely requires you to travel and most of which are finished in a minute or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrimace