Question about this new TP Bar

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08-25-2015, 08:29 PM
WHS

Question about this new TP Bar

In the patch notes they state:

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The party list has been adjusted as follows:
Players can now see the TP bar of all party members.
To reduce system load, the values for your TP bar have been removed.
To reduce system load, the list of party bonuses has been placed on the Party Members tab under Party in the main menu.

To which system resources did they refer? pc? ps4? or the ps3?

Must be one naughty tp bar to be eating up all these resources especially on pc.

Can someone please explain cause I don't get it.
08-25-2015, 08:29 PM
Meoah

PS3. If it's ever to reduce system load for anything it's PS3.
08-25-2015, 08:38 PM
Gunspec

Might be a way of saying there was too much crap on the UI.
08-25-2015, 08:42 PM
Mykll

Also to reduce the system load on THEIR end. They seem to always have some issues regarding that as well.
08-25-2015, 08:44 PM
Reynhart

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Originally Posted by Meoah

PS3. If it's ever to reduce system load for anything it's PS3.

If that was the case, they'd have only changed PS3 UI.
It already works that way. For example, if you use the Focus Target on PS3, your gil disappears.
And, during a Dungeon or a FATE, your Quest Log disappears too...which could be really be useful even on PC and PS4. :p
08-25-2015, 08:47 PM
Eye_Gore

When they add something, something must be taken away in order to compensate for system load. Their system, the data that is saved server side is immense and it rewrites the data every 15 seconds in case of a roll back you don't lose anything. So in order to keep that 15 second synch, when a new feature meaning more data, needs to be synched something has to go to even it out, or else we need to shift to 30 second synch. Or so they would have you believe.........
08-25-2015, 08:48 PM
Colorful

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If that was the case, they'd have only changed PS3 UI.
It already works that way. For example, if you use the Focus Target on PS3, your gil disappears.
And, during a Dungeon or a FATE, your Quest Log disappears too...which could be really be useful even on PC and PS4. :p

Could be that seeing numbers would be seen as advantageous by some players so they decided to make it universal. PS4 & PC are both more than capable of displaying the numbers, it could also be server limitations... =l
08-25-2015, 08:56 PM
DragonSlayer45

Pretty sure its a combination of PS3 and server limitations on their end. (The latter is why we don't have a Company Chest in Ishgard yet)

Though, to be perfectly honest, I'll take TP bars over those useless indications of party buffs any day.
08-25-2015, 09:07 PM
Mykll

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Though, to be perfectly honest, I'll take TP bars over those useless indications of party buffs any day.

I know! I logged in, ran a dungeon, and just tears of joy, what a beautiful sight, after so much time playing BRD, then NIN, then MCH and AST. So nice to FINALLY be able to see when would be a great time to use it, instead of guessing and usually wasting the TP buff.
08-25-2015, 09:24 PM
Meoah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynhart

If that was the case, they'd have only changed PS3 UI.
It already works that way. For example, if you use the Focus Target on PS3, your gil disappears.
And, during a Dungeon or a FATE, your Quest Log disappears too...which could be really be useful even on PC and PS4. :p

Your quest log disappears? But FATE and Duty info is IN the quest log.. why would it remove it, wtf?
08-25-2015, 09:39 PM
Reynhart

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Originally Posted by Meoah

Your quest log disappears? But FATE and Duty info is IN the quest log.. why would it remove it, wtf?

Only the "Quest Log", not the "Duty Log".
Basically, if you're in dungeon, you'll only see the duty for the dungeon, no more quests.

On my PS4, if I'm in a long dungeons and have a whole bunch of long quests, my log takes the whole right part of my screen, and overlaps with my crossbar and my stats.
So I did a macro to toggle duty info on/off.
08-25-2015, 10:36 PM
Itseotle

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Pretty sure its a combination of PS3 and server limitations on their end. (The latter is why we don't have a Company Chest in Ishgard yet)

Though, to be perfectly honest, I'll take TP bars over those useless indications of party buffs any day.

and yet third party TP monitors have been working for months even without SE's help....
08-25-2015, 10:38 PM
karateorangutang

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

and yet third party TP monitors have been working for months even without SE's help....

Yes but SE can't implement anything official that can't be smoothly run on all systems in operation. Only PC's had third party TP monitors.
08-25-2015, 11:07 PM
Itseotle

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

Yes but SE can't implement anything official that can't be smoothly run on all systems in operation. Only PC's had third party TP monitors.

right but I was quoting "Pretty sure its a combination of PS3 and server limitations on their end. (The latter is why we don't have a Company Chest in Ishgard yet)". Its not server limitations because 3rd party apps already do it. Its PS3 limitations. There was no need for them to remove the TP values and the party bonus display for PC users to "reduce system load".
08-25-2015, 11:34 PM
Mykll

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

right but I was quoting "Pretty sure its a combination of PS3 and server limitations on their end. (The latter is why we don't have a Company Chest in Ishgard yet)". Its not server limitations because 3rd party apps already do it. Its PS3 limitations. There was no need for them to remove the TP values and the party bonus display for PC users to "reduce system load".

On the flip side, only SOME people causing the extra load is different from 100% player base causing the extra load. Even if it is 100% of just 1 of 3 platforms. As with anything bandwidth related, it may be okay if some use more, you have problems if 100% do.
08-25-2015, 11:36 PM
Itseotle

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Originally Posted by Mykll

On the flip side, only SOME people causing the extra load is different from 100% player base causing the extra load. Even if it is 100% of just 1 of 3 platforms. As with anything bandwidth related, it may be okay if some use more, you have problems if 100% do.

That's not quiet right either. The 3rd party plugins don't poll the server for data, the game does. The data 3rd party apps use is already being sent to you, whether your running the app or not. So its not like suddenly showing TP is way more server stress because it isn't. The data was being sent all along.
08-25-2015, 11:41 PM
Dante_V

3rd party apps are client side.
08-25-2015, 11:51 PM
Catwho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meoah

Your quest log disappears? But FATE and Duty info is IN the quest log.. why would it remove it, wtf?

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I'm assuming it's all the non-active duties, anyway.

You can actually toggle that off in the UI via a hotkey, though. I have a special macro to toggle all the UI elements that clog up the screen (duty list, extra hotbars, inventory, etc) so I can de-clutter my screen when I need to see more of the action.
08-26-2015, 12:09 AM
SinisterJointss

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I have a special macro to toggle all the UI elements that clog up the screen (duty list, extra hotbars, inventory, etc) so I can de-clutter my screen when I need to see more of the action.

Do share! I would love this
08-26-2015, 12:14 AM
Zfz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mykll

Also to reduce the system load on THEIR end. They seem to always have some issues regarding that as well.

I doubt it would do anything on the server end. The TP values must be sent to each player's game client software to display TP reliably. Whether the client software displays a bar or a bar with numbers will make absolutely no difference to the server load. None.
08-26-2015, 12:17 AM
Eye_Gore

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Originally Posted by Zfz

bar with numbers will make absolutely no difference to the server load. None.

Its more data, can't spare a square.
08-26-2015, 12:19 AM
aresgodofwar30

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Originally Posted by SinisterJointss

Do share! I would love this

Code:

/hud dlist

Code:

/hud [UI element] [subcommand] →Toggle on/off various UI elements. >>UI Elements: 　Target Bar 　　TargetBar, tbar 　Focus Target Bar 　　FocusTarget, ftarget 　Party List 　　PartyList, plist 　Enemy List 　　EnemyList, elist 　Parameter Bar 　　ParamBar, param 　Minimap 　　Minimap, mmap 　Main Menu 　　MainMenu, mmenu 　Server Info 　　ServerInfo, server 　Gil 　　Gil, gil 　Inventory Grid 　　InventoryGrid, igrid 　Duty List 　　DutyList, dlist 　Item Help 　　ItemHelp, ihelp 　Action Help 　　ActionHelp, ahelp 　LimitGauge 　　LimitGauge, lgauge 　Experience Bar 　　ExpBar, ebar 　Status Effects 　　StatusEffects, sfx Alliance List 1 AllianceList1, alist1 Alliance List 2 AllianceList2, alist2 >>Subcommands: 　on Show element. 　off Hide element. Toggle between on/off when no subcommand is specified.