Just want to say, I was a tad bit disappointed that the only thing they could think of to add "complexity" to gameplay were "timers" - i.e. "Use this buff while it's still up!!!".
FFXIV is still my main MMO - although I am starting to waver; there isn't much to do at the moment and my Carbuncle is still missing after all those levels.
I have been killing time with F2P MMOs like Trove (it's Minecraft online so I figure I would try it out) played both of its pet classes to high levels.
Dragonlyte -Nice that they separate the 2 types of pets too
Sort of a pet class.Tomb Raiser -
You have a dragon whelp hovering beside you 24/7 (and takes no damage), it charges up when you attack, when it's ready (you will see it get fat and glowing with flames; which is somewhat hilarious in itself), you can use your secondary attack which commanding it to shoot a fireball (your only truly long ranged attack).
Yes, mechanically it isn't deep, but I liked the interaction.
It's pretty much a necromancer.
You can summon up to 6 skeletons that tank for you, each consuming one Restless Soul which you have 3 at a time and you get one every 8 secs, the HP of the skeletons slowly drops over time such that without any interaction (taking damage or healing) they die in 10 secs.
However you can heal them with your main attack, it doesn't heal much, but you can keep them alive if you channel it at them. There is also a "on CD" attack that heals those within a radius for a ton.
The cute part is, you can sacrifice them to create a big Goliath skeleton (the more active small ones you sac, the bigger and stronger the big one will be) that is much more durable and hits very hard - but it can't be healed though.
I find this interesting gameplay mechanics-wise. If you want to summon the big one, you have to keep the small ones alive. You should also know when to cut your losses - i.e. summon a less optimal big one because you know you can't keep the small ones up long enough to summon more to boost your active entourage.
- the always by your side companion that keeps you company, helps you out and is invulnerable so you won't feel like crap when your pet dies
- the expendable minions that you send to their doom like an evil overlord
These are mechanics SE should consider (or variations of) next expansion - we all know you would have better luck getting blood from stone than getting SE to change anything mid-expansion . At least they are more interesting that, "Quick! Before the timer runs out!!!".
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08-25-2015, 08:26 PMBishop81"Complex" game mechanics
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08-25-2015, 08:43 PMBHGlobbd
Minecraft is already online...
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08-25-2015, 08:52 PMMykll
Talking about pets, I do wish SE would do 2 things I love in WoW.
1. When you mount up, pet goes on auto-passive. No more riding through something and there goes your pet, constantly have to re-summon when you get to your destination. Or, remember to change pet stances each time you mount up and dismount. But, they removed requiring to dismount when entering a city, so, remove the need to pet stance dance.
2. When the pet is not tanking, it auto-positions to the rear. Especially SMN solo with Chocobo. Ok Titan, I need to park you over there, because my bird is too stupid to move. Ok, now keep attacking. Good boy. -
08-25-2015, 09:33 PMadn
People struggle enough with "simple" mechanics already, I can only imagine the hilarity that would ensue if they added actually complex classes. I highly doubt a necromancer class would be a thing either, the next pet class we are likely to see is Beastmaster
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08-25-2015, 09:37 PMBishop81Shoo ... thread derailer! I bid you be gone!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BHGlobbd
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Originally Posted by Mykll
- Don't get it why this still isn't fixed. I had to create a mount macro with /pac Steady. /smh
- Another strange thing SE didn't implement as it would help Ifrit and Chocobos to not get cleaved to death by bosses. That reminds me, they should really clone WoW's glyphed Water Elemental "follow me at my side at all times" behavior for range pets.
Not really pinning for a necromancer class.Quote:
Originally Posted by adn
Just ... as I said, all SMN (and I think BLM) got for "mechanics" this expansion are stupid buffs on a timer - i.e. Aethertrail and Dreadwyrm Trance (and Enochainsomething). All those do is make you rush to squeeze in as many attacks as possible or stress you out about using a specific attack within the time limit. Mechanically about as interesting as DDR. - Don't get it why this still isn't fixed. I had to create a mount macro with /pac Steady. /smh
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08-25-2015, 09:59 PMHoney_Tailtwitcher
I miss my carby too <3 maybe they will give it back to us at a higher level - I will squeeze the plushie in the mean time! ^^
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08-25-2015, 10:09 PMMalevicton"Enochainsomething"Quote:
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You've definitely convinced me that you have appropriate experience to form these decisions and understand what you're talking about. -
08-25-2015, 10:14 PMBishop81I'm not good with names. If you can't see pass spelling in an argument ... I'm sure you must make many "good" decision in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malevicton
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08-25-2015, 10:30 PMMalevictonI'm not having an issue with heat atm. But also... wouldn't that apply more to you? You kinda flipped out first. You were the first one to make this particularly personal (and are continuing to do so in this post).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop81
My first comment was rudely sarcastic at worst, but it was still relevant. You're comment was just personal attacks, much like this one. -
08-25-2015, 10:43 PMBishop81Your comment implied that my initial argument was unsound just because I can't be bother to look up the spelling of some obscure word. You are implying I'm not competent to comment on the issue because of my spelling. Don't pretend it wasn't a "personal attack".Quote:
Originally Posted by Malevicton
My response was relevant too. If you judge an argument by the spelling of its text ... you aren't very good at judging the validity of arguments in general.
Again, don't start derailing my thread if you don't want to get attacked.
If you have nothing on topic to say other than nitpicking spelling or minor digressions (minecraft online whatever man), don't post. You are wasting my time.
PS:
I'm getting bloody sick of asshats derailing every damn thread I start to discuss things - just because they disagree or see it as criticism of their beloved SE. They will nitpick some minor side point that isn't particularly important (or worse spelling) then run with it until the thread is full of unrelated rubbish. -
08-25-2015, 10:55 PMBishop81LOL. Explain how you are right then.Quote:
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08-25-2015, 11:06 PMKrylo
The abilities you've described are a watered down version of warrior stacks and a literal timer of the exact same type you're complaining about.
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08-25-2015, 11:10 PMBishop81Really? Warrior stacks can die due to mob attacks?Quote:
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08-25-2015, 11:17 PMMilesSaintboroguh
Is there anything from the OP that isn't always a suggestion or idea?
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08-25-2015, 11:33 PMKryloWarrior stacks = the dragon thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop81
You attack, gain stacks, burn stacks to use a special attack.
It's the same thing.
Timer would be the undead. They're there for x time frame, you can improve that time frame by casting another spell (attacking your own minions apparently). -
08-25-2015, 11:35 PMMalevictonYeah the undead sound an awful lot like "enochainsomething"Quote:
Originally Posted by Krylo
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08-26-2015, 12:14 AMWarlyx
dragonlyte = Dragoon in FFXI , and not gonna happen
SE dislike "necromancers" as playabe class , dunno why , laws in some countrys make it a pain in the rear to create necromancers as class i guess :rolleyes: , thats why we got Puppetmaster in FFXI instead ... (plus lore about sunlight and whatnot ....lol) -
08-26-2015, 12:38 AMSendohJin
as a healer, pet tanking sounds awful
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08-26-2015, 01:14 AMMog77
lol at the flames
smn buffs were uninspired, pet class my ass. they just wanted the easy way out and akh morn was supposed to be badass. too bad it got old as hell after the first month. now i actually have a rotation, which i dislike. plz stop failing at pets SE wow did it better than you on launch. -
08-26-2015, 02:05 AMKikoten
I like when people come up with new possible classes that Square Enix may likely have never thought of adding to the game, or may have added in the past. To me, it's all fan fiction, and I love fan fiction. A while back I tried to write a fanfic that never really got off the ground, about what I thought "Final Fantasy 15" (it wasn't announced back then) would have been like. The main character was a Rune Mage (Silver Mage/SIM), whose abilities centralized on the metamorphosis of the world around him, including various metals from which weapons are made.
A lot of it appeared an awful lot like telekinesis; whenever he fought, he wielded swords/daggers/hammers/axes with his mind, and he could shapeshift weapons or meld two/three into one.
I think it'd be cool if they added something kind of like the "Rune Mage" I described earlier. I think it'd be most similar to Red Mage, from the stories I've heard. -
08-26-2015, 03:53 AMRadacciwhat u mean? drk so difficult to aggro! drk so complexity!Quote:
Originally Posted by adn
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08-26-2015, 04:27 AMFendredI definitely agree with this, and it seems to be a running theme across several DPS jobs. I don't play BLM, but they added something to their class along the same lines, and screwing it up is supposedly a b****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop81
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08-26-2015, 04:49 AMApolloGenX
I am not sure why smn can't summon dumbfire pets?
I loved those in EQ and EQ2.
Ok...so you can't summon a primal... why not summon a swarm of fun things that all rush and attack... or explode? -
08-26-2015, 04:55 AMAshkendorVitriol. Lots of vitriol. I think he's derailed his own thread more than anyone else in here. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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08-26-2015, 05:20 AMNolLacnalaActually, they're meant to make you punch your monitor when they fall off as you get sucked into QuarantineQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop81
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08-26-2015, 05:34 AMFendredBeastmaster calls forth a cherry bomb swarm.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloGenX
Ninja curses the day tab targeting was born.
Ninja gets lit up like a night sky on the fourth of July.
Beastmaster uses smily emoticons to great effect.
Thumbs up if you'd want your own personal cherry bomb swarm! Flexible beastmasters for the win! -
08-26-2015, 06:57 AMReka121402Quoting the beginning of the argument to throw in my $0.02Quote:
Originally Posted by Malevicton
Enochain is the spell, so actually he got it correct.
He is also 100% correct on his description of BLM, albeit a little vague. Up until 3.0 BLM was a proc based DPS caster, easy to play, fun to play. At 3.0 it is the same, until level 60 and our ENTIRE ROTATION is completely changed. I honestly though about changing classes after my first Neverreap.