Lack of LB usage in PVP

I've noticed a lack of LB usage from anyone who is not a DPS, this damages teams in long run in something like Seal Rock.

Is there a way to increase the chance of people using their LB's? A small damage increase on the tank using a tank LB perhaps, or something of similar effect that would make people feel more inclined to use it for their own gain as the majority of players do not understand what teamwork is.

Any thoughts? I know its a stupid suggestion haha.

The thing about healer LBs, they don't refill as nearly as fast as a DPS LB when they can score a kill or more from it.

I'm not sure what the formula is for the healer LBs filling, but rarely do I ever see it fill more than once per match( I tend to be very picky when I pop it, so I usually don't use it more than once a match). Some matches I won't even have a need to use it because-

1) Most of the party isn't even in range of me to be targeted.
2) Our team decides to play super-conservative (hide @ 2 tomeliths whilst one team kill-farms the other) when I do have it.

I am not sure why you think so but tanks use their LB whenever there is a huge attack from other GCs. As for healers, you usually you will not have other than one or two members dying who can be healed easily without LB. Healer's LB in PvP is weak and unnecessary but if it can resurrect your party then that will make it good.

I have no reason to use the healer LB. It makes me a target for any DPS LB as I am rooted in place for ~3 seconds.

Well, as a healer, I've used the lb to heal off a caster lb easily most times. Other than that, I use it for the esuna-like effect; it's not much most times, but I imagine it's annoying to see your bane mostly go to waste.

I think its more of a "people don't know when/where to use it" kind of thing, its easy to burn Raw Destruction/Cometeor but at least you usually see some kind of effect out of it (unless you miss Cometeor, lol), tank/healer LB... its easy to waste and get no effect out of it.

Its really just due to the nature of the jobs imo, for tanks its like using defensive CDs/push back, some people just really don't know "when". I'm not sure what could be done, honestly.
Plus from a PvE PoV its pretty much beat into the average tanks' head to NEVER use LB. Arguably same with healers.

I feel like the most you can do is just tell people- I've had games where no one used tank LB despite us having 3 other tanks besides myself in the party until I told them "use it when we push or get rushed, don't worry about anything else". I feel like that's the most you're gonna get without a properly co-ordinated group.

The healer LB heals your entire party. The only time it would be useful is if by some astounding miracle the rest of the team is more damaged than the healer.

Healer LB should just be changed to one that makes them invincible for 20 seconds. THAT would be useful.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

The healer LB heals your entire party. The only time it would be useful is if by some astounding miracle the rest of the team is more damaged than the healer.

Healer LB should just be changed to one that makes them invincible for 20 seconds. THAT would be useful.

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20s is a bit much. Is a good idea... but jubs thinks 12s with divine seal like effect, without being rooted and abilities turned off like attunement. Gives healer option to save self, bait, or save one/groups/pty/alliance. Only problem is it heavily favors whm over sch... unless buff transfers to fairy too.

The lbs are perfectly balanced, the tank lb gives a huge def and the healer a huge aoe heal.

IF healer only have 1 person around to heal with the lb is his problem for being in a terrible position or the party for chasing ppl, i personally dont have any problem using it, i always try to be in a good position to use it.

The only problem is the ppl, if after several matches they dont know when to use the LB its their problem for being bad.

And seriously i will say again, i dont know if you guys have lack of knowledge of pvp or what,but you guys sometimes give absurd ideas, Invincible party LB??? wtf is that , for 20 secs? or even 12?? OFC it would be useful COZ it would be INSANELY BROKEN. IF you want it to get buffed just say that it needs more range or something but jesus think abit about what you are saying.

I miss the old bard lb , id be out healing 50% of the healers that play seize.

I don't know who you're playing with but there's something weird about them. I see LBs of all types on Primal. As for healer LBs, you are unlikely to even notice it happens as all it does it increase your health & remove a debuff (if there is one). No different from any other big heal. Plus they only work if you're close enough to the healer and in Seal Rock it's usual for a team to be scattered like Showgirls pearls.

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Originally Posted by Cero0

IF healer only have 1 person around to heal with the lb is his problem for being in a terrible position or the party for chasing ppl

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The problem is less a lack of party members in range, but more that any alliance worth their salt is going to charge straight for the healers.

The other concern is the cast time for it. The healer is likely to die before they can use it to heal themselves. Or any other party member getting swarmed for that matter.

Healing wise, the Healer LB is barely worth its cast time and animation length

Esuna wise its worth it though, but as blubbers said if the healer isnt on the frontlines taking hits for the team then any non-terrible team will be gunning for them anyway

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

The problem is less a lack of party members in range, but more that any alliance worth their salt is going to charge straight for the healers.

The other concern is the cast time for it. The healer is likely to die before they can use it to heal themselves. Or any other party member getting swarmed for that matter.

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As i said the lack of party members in range is their own fault, but as i said too making it have better range would be great.the first thing you should say in the party as healer is" dont chase and stay in my range or you wont get heals"

The cast time is super short, if you use it when you have 1k hp left ofc you will die before you can cast it.

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Originally Posted by Cero0

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Telling people to 'stay in range or you won't get heals' doesn't work. It only works in pre-mades and if you're in pre-made... it all is eventually (or should and if not, get a new pre-made) going to run like a well oiled machine and steam roll enemies reguardless of what the LB is.

And healers shouldn't be responsible for impatient and/or over zealous DDs stretching out beyond their means. <--- + GC restrictions forcing more people to not be with some of their friends but instead with random ppl makes healing a pain + the time to build LB bar + cast time = healer LB feels kinda blah in Seize. Secure n Slaughter were different... less roaming, less spread out, current healer LB made more sense. Seize... nope.

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Originally Posted by Cero0

The cast time is super short

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the animation lock is very long though

Whilst I agree dieing out of range of your healers ia your fault.

The amount of healers I have seen not following their alliance is worrying, healer lb partiality in slaughter was a great recovery tool from caster lb. It still is today however the general chaotic splitting up of alliances really does affect how well a gc can perform.

There is no set A + B beach node C defend spawn node etc, even with this rng its still possible to do it.

Some people still are unaware the lb is theirs and not the parties, anx even more still don't know about pvp skills....

yeah the animation lock is almost 2 seconds same for the rest of Lbs.Worth waiting for half of ur hp back.

The only thing i would agreed is if they make it has more range.Honestly when i play dps i always try to be close to my healer or i would be fucked, i wont get tired of saying this if they are away fromt the healer is their problem lol or the healer problem coz he doesnt follow his team.

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Originally Posted by Cero0

yeah the animation lock is almost 2 seconds same for the rest of Lbs.Worth waiting for half of ur hp back.

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that assuming that everyone else is in range and you dont have enough mp for cure III/medica/etc

If there isnt tonnes of debuffs to remove, it is far safer and faster to cast 3 aoe heal skills instead, if you are a scholar or astrologian then precasting the LB to counter an enemy caster LB is alright, but not really as useful as just shielding the people getting LB'd

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

that assuming that everyone else is in range and you dont have enough mp for cure III/medica/etc

If there isnt tonnes of debuffs to remove, it is far safer and faster to cast 3 aoe heal skills instead, if you are a scholar or astrologian then precasting the LB to counter an enemy caster LB is alright, but not really as useful as just shielding the people getting LB'd

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And here is where the right moment to use it matters,i usually use it when i dont have anything left, after i blew all my instant skills/equanimity runs out, it always save the day.

Btw i dont want to make a new thread to ask this so i im going ask here, i know weekly reset in lodestone is from monday to sunday, anyone know the exact timing,/hour.

I only healer LB when summoners dot the whole group and then drop caster LB. Healer LB is a double edged sword.

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Originally Posted by Reen24

I only healer LB when summoners dot the whole group and then drop caster LB. Healer LB is a double edged sword.

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You beat me to it. I hit reply and got a phone call. When this happens with my SCH, I'll use the pet to remove a debuff after in case something else comes up, leaves a heavy SMN party dead in the water when you combine both healer LB and pets. Usually a tank pops theirs and with how fast some summoners tend to go through their stacks to bahamut bomb you...let loose the hordes of DRG's and watch the slaughter begin.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

I have no reason to use the healer LB. It makes me a target for any DPS LB as I am rooted in place for ~3 seconds.

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Omg, yes... but... It is still a VERY POWERFUL option you have in your healer skillset.
I hope u was joking, up to now I even used it when I see halp party doubledotted by SMNs.