Has anyone actually managed to sell any of the AF2 gear?

I've sold 3 astral silks since I started crafting (after I made myself the HQ WVR chest) and made a grand total of 9million from this. I've attempted to undercut on the board, in PF, but nobody is buying these items.

Even undercutting the AF2 market that exists (which is pitiful, and nobody has sold one single item) on Balmung to 10mil per 4-silk piece, nobody is interested, even when I offer a choice of item being crafted. What's the point? Has anyone had any luck shifting these items?

One body was sold on Ultros. Not much of a market though only a handful of people have the money.

A price range Im waiting for a few pieces on the Adamantoise MB

Most people who can equip it can make probably it themselves.

I'd be surprised if anyone bought a completed piece. Who the heck wants someone else's name on their AF2?

One of the problems is that only crafters would be interested in this gear and at those prices, it's mostly rich omni-crafters who can already make the gear themselves who can afford them.

When making such a large investment, I have to determine whether I can get a return on it. At the moment, there's very little chance of making back any gil put into 2* crafting (whether it's buying crafting materials or finished products), so my budget on those is minimal. We have no idea what we're gearing for or whether there'll be any lucrative markets when 3* is introduced. If it turns out that 3* is gated as well, then crafting is more or less doomed since it'll just be a massive time and gil sink with no reward. Any remaining crafter would simply be burning away their savings for the sake of getting the next BIS gear sets.

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Originally Posted by XLauncher

I'd be surprised if anyone bought a completed piece. Who the heck wants someone else's name on their AF2?

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Plenty I imagine, not everyone has a name like mine minds that. It could be a person they admire, or they like their name. Or perhaps they simply dont mind at all. :)

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Originally Posted by XLauncher

I'd be surprised if anyone bought a completed piece. Who the heck wants someone else's name on their AF2?

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I'm inclined to agree. some dude on the server was offering 9 mil for a completed main hand. I was tempted to offer him 9 mil for just the mats lol. no way I want someone elses name on my stuff, I think the real cereal crafters all take pride in it.
I just finished making all the main hands for myself and they all have my sig, working on the bodies next.

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Originally Posted by MN_14

When making such a large investment, I have to determine whether I can get a return on it. At the moment, there's very little chance of making back any gil put into 2* crafting (whether it's buying crafting materials or finished products), so my budget on those is minimal. We have no idea what we're gearing for or whether there'll be any lucrative markets when 3* is introduced. If it turns out that 3* is gated as well, then crafting is more or less doomed since it'll just be a massive time and gil sink with no reward. Any remaining crafter would simply be burning away their savings for the sake of getting the next BIS gear sets.

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I think my main issue is that I'm just trying to make ANY money off them - I'm selling the HQ silks for 2mil a piece and nobody is interested. I guess even that's too high even for glamours.

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Originally Posted by Qestir-chan

I think my main issue is that I'm just trying to make ANY money off them - I'm selling the HQ silks for 2mil a piece and nobody is interested. I guess even that's too high even for glamours.

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I would buy them all at 2mil to be honest. But, I am interested in making all the peiceso. Most people are looking for right-side slots and MH/OH first. If you were selling mats for those you would be sold out I imagine.

I have sold 3 HQ rings for 10 mil each. Thef avor mats cost me 9mil total and 3 of my crafter tokens.I have also sold my first set of favor mats for 5 mil when they came out. I have sold a hq ingot for 5mil, bought the 5 mats for 3mil. Didn't really expect it to sell.

Now I am just buying mats and stocking them until I see what changes they make.

I have seen 2 items sell on Odin MB, both were priced at far less than the mats cost to make them. (they were priced higher, but the seller kept dropping until they finally sold).

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Originally Posted by Rath

I have sold 3 HQ rings for 10 mil each.

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I had 2 HQ rings up for a week at 10 mil, then dropped them to 8 mil for a week, then 6 mil for two weeks, and finally put them back up to 10 mil. I understand different servers have different economies, but those prices seem reasonable considering the favor mats have been selling for 250-500k each. Is your server full of fairly wealthy crafters?

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

I had 2 HQ rings up for a week at 10 mil, then dropped them to 8 mil for a week, then 6 mil for two weeks, and finally put them back up to 10 mil. I understand different servers have different economies, but those prices seem reasonable considering the favor mats have been selling for 250-500k each. Is your server full of fairly wealthy crafters?

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How are you making them? All self gathered, or are you supplementing with mats from the MB?

There's no reason to have this stuff. Especially when you can just get the 180s which will most likely be enough for future crafts as well. That's why so few people are buying.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

I had 2 HQ rings up for a week at 10 mil, then dropped them to 8 mil for a week, then 6 mil for two weeks, and finally put them back up to 10 mil. I understand different servers have different economies, but those prices seem reasonable considering the favor mats have been selling for 250-500k each. Is your server full of fairly wealthy crafters?

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Honestly I've stopped being amazed. While I wont call what he says lies, I cant fathom what it is that makes his server's sales far different from other servers.

Only 2 HQ items sold on my server. A gathering ring for 3m, and a WVR off hand for 12.5m.
The WVR off hand took a month to sell at that price.

I can't imagine who would buy a ring for 10m. The material cost isnt anywhere close to that, at all.


Even with the favor materials as they are, 10m is way overpriced for a ring, as rings only take 1 material to craft. That effectively makes their price value only slightly above that of a single HQ material. (1.5~ orso over that)
So unless favor materials add up to being like 8-9m for one crafting material, rings shouldnt sell for 10m.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

Maybe if you're used to running at low margins. A 100% markup is reasonable due to risk - if you NQ the item, it's effectively worthless. I shall break it down for you.

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No need for that, I'm not used to running at low margins.

Rather, me explain it to you.

You mention risk. Rings only require 1 material, which means two things:
1) You only need 1 material
2) All HQ materials is comparable to 1 HQ material.

Which can be summed up as:
- If you need less materials, you need to HQ less of them, thus reducing the risk of failure.



Im not sure why you feel the need to break things down tho. The 5m~ estimate you use is the same one I use for HQ materials/rings.


The increase in value due to risk means 500% nothing if the item is not desirable enough to have people actually pay that extra gil on top. And in this case, if the risk is barely existing to begin with.


Which is why the HQ ring at 10m isnt being sold. Noone wants to pay that much for one.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

By the way, this is just for the cheapest item, the rings. If you were to run at a that margin for the more expensive items you wouldn't be able to absorb a loss for quite some time.

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Thanks for giving me some much needed insight into the market of high value items.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

You're most welcome! I know it can be difficult when you are just starting out, but if you work hard and learn how the economy works you will eventually make billions, too! Everyone has to start somewhere, you'll eventually figure out what works for you.

I wish you good luck in your crafting career!

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Altho its been years since I was at your level in terms of market understanding. I think it must have been a decade atleast since I was at your level of (how to know when to use) sarcasme as well.
But since you already dug your own grave~

I'm currently the only seller of a HQ tool on my server. Yeah, these same ''expensive items'' you mentioned in your ''breakdown''.




Oh, oh, oh. Rekt.

^(I believe that's how they do this these days?) *Blush*, that's the first time I used the phrase ''rekt''. Somehow it makes me feel a bit dirty, it felt really appropriate here tho, and as such I simply could not exist.



Please~ if you want to troll like this, do it on your main account. I am lazy. Clicking ''ignore'' on all these ''new'' accounts is a hassle for me.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

I wish you good luck in your crafting career!

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No need for that, I wont be crafting for long anymore with this system. I'm already making arrangements to pass my airships, materials, few dozen mil (only that much since im lazy, havent made and sold a thing in a month now) and a dozen orso 2* equips to a friend of mine.

My crafting career started in 1.0, it ended when red scrips were introduced. You could say that any crafting done after that has been ''working out of retirement''.

I'd sell off hands probably at 5-7 mil. Seems like ppl are starting to supply favor mats on MB so yea 5-7 mil an off hand doesn't seem too bad as my bsm is nearly decked out in 2 star gear.
Just missing neck, bracelet, 2nd ring and pants.
So synthing off hands with boullibaise feels too easy lol.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

I had 2 HQ rings up for a week at 10 mil, then dropped them to 8 mil for a week, then 6 mil for two weeks, and finally put them back up to 10 mil. I understand different servers have different economies, but those prices seem reasonable considering the favor mats have been selling for 250-500k each. Is your server full of fairly wealthy crafters?

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First ring was on MB for about 2 weeks and was only there as I was not planning to use it until I got around to melding it. It sold. I have since sold 2 more, 1 to the same guy by request, and one to someone else. Neither of the people that bought them are crafters I am familiar with. There are no other sales for rings on the MB. There have not been any other HQ rings listed though. There was a NQ ring listed for 3mil but it did not sell.

The big thing is to not change your price, as soon as anyone sees you drop your price they wait to see how far you will drop it, undercutting yourself is just as bad as someone else doing it. This is just what I see on my server when listing items that are scarce.

I only buy mats when they are 150k or less now, and right now I am 1 voidnut short of another ring. Once I get it I will put up another ring, as I expect it will sell. I am not wasting my own RGS on favors though. Below pic has relevant sales history shown from one retainer. I will not make any of the class-specific gear for sale though, as nobody will want to shell out that much gil when they need 8 of each item unless they are not planning to gear up all of their classes. HQ mats, and left-side gear I will make whenever I get enough mats. I get a lot of my mats from the PF.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...eab786821e.png

personal tally (ultros) as of 8/22:

2 astral silk
1 astral birch lumber
1 griffin leather
1 cul hat
1 cul offhand
1 adamantite vambraces of fending
1 adamantite sollerets of fending
1 griffin leather boots of healing

glamour is love, glamour is life... not. stupid ass system...

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Originally Posted by Hanmerreborn

How are you making them? All self gathered, or are you supplementing with mats from the MB?

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Self-gathered. I was listing the favor mat sale prices as a reference point for the economy. I've personally had 4 Ooids sell for 1 mil each, but I'd say 250-500k is the norm.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

I can't imagine who would buy a ring for 10m. The material cost isnt anywhere close to that, at all.

Even with the favor materials as they are, 10m is way overpriced for a ring, as rings only take 1 material to craft. That effectively makes their price value only slightly above that of a single HQ material. (1.5~ orso over that)
So unless favor materials add up to being like 8-9m for one crafting material, rings shouldnt sell for 10m.

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Favor Mats: 250-500k each (5-10 mil based on price)
Leafborne: 500k NQ (1-1.5 mil HQ if you can find them)
Fieldcraft 3: Trivial
Varnish/Clusters: Trivial

If you purchase HQ sands and all the favor mats at their cheapest price you get 6 mil. Getting a 1.5 mil profit (I'm assuming that is what you mean by 1.5 over the material cost) on something this time consuming and high risk is absurd. An off hand would be approximately 3 times the value of the ring, or ~18 mil gil to craft. You may as well keep the item if you are going to sell it for a 2 mil profit.

behemoth:
1 tank body was sold at 7.5 (at loss ofc)
1 MIN offhand was sold at 10 the first weekend
3 crafter rings were sold at 8 (very early) and 10.5x2 (I suspect the buyer bought gil)
1 crafter belt was sold at 8, the buyer is a gillion crafter

thing are tanking:
1 BSM main
2 BTN NQ offhand
1 caster body
1 LTH offhand (since day 2 of 3.05)

I missed something but pretty much this is it. Except the 2 rings no one made profit. The liquidity is very bad both on supply and demand.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Self-gathered. I was listing the favor mat sale prices as a reference point for the economy. I've personally had 4 Ooids sell for 1 mil each, but I'd say 250-500k is the norm.



Favor Mats: 250-500k each (5-10 mil based on price)
Leafborne: 500k NQ (1-1.5 mil HQ if you can find them)
Fieldcraft 3: Trivial
Varnish/Clusters: Trivial

If you purchase HQ sands and all the favor mats at their cheapest price you get 6 mil. Getting a 1.5 mil profit (I'm assuming that is what you mean by 1.5 over the material cost) on something this time consuming and high risk is absurd. An off hand would be approximately 3 times the value of the ring, or ~18 mil gil to craft. You may as well keep the item if you are going to sell it for a 2 mil profit.

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In terms of millions, roughly 1.5m above material cost. Naturally that value depends on demand as well. But with the item being as little desirable as it is, and its risk relatively due to only requiring 1 of the gated materials, that's the most you can reasonably expect for the rings.


I would not take the value of the favor materials on the board at face value in determining the value of the materials (be they NQ or HQ) however.

A comparison: (on my server)
favor materials sell for 125-250k. Yet a set of 5 crafting materials sold for 3m, only after a week or two. There was still another set on the board for 2.5m, (im not sure if it went down to 2m yet) without being sold.

The main reason why favor materials can sell at a relatively higher price then the materials they are used to make is because they will be used to complete a [set of 10+10 materials]. Someone might be short say 1, 2 materials they need; but be out of favors to obtain those. In that case spending 500k on 2 materials does not seem that bad, since only 2 items are needed.


This last part is something very important it seems few people realise. It surprised me a great deal to see that most favor materials are listed in large (5~10) stacks, instead of 1's and 2's.


As such however, prices of refined materials should not be considered [20x favor material + crafting token fee].

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

An off hand would be approximately 3 times the value of the ring, or ~18 mil gil to craft. You may as well keep the item if you are going to sell it for a 2 mil profit.

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That is just taking into account the items cost to make, but not its actual stats value. The stats an offhand provides are far greater of a difference then 3x. Even if you take into account the fact the ring can be used by all classes.

10 million for a ring, even if the [server specific] material cost adds up to that, it does not seem like a price anyone with more sense then gil would pay.


Ofcourse favor item prices and such vary from server to server. But I'm very surprised to see there are servers where a month after red scrips implementation they would still sell for 250-500k each. Assuming these are prices where they are likely to sell at, ofcourse.


Honestly, it seems like some (or most, up for debate; as its only speculation either way) of those that bought the 2* items have earned their gil via less then honest ways. Atleast I did not recognise the name that bought the offhand at all.
In that case reports of rings selling for 10m would make a lot of sense.


Incidentally, I dont care about profit or making gil at all myself. So this isnt about that. It's just ludicrous that people insist the markets are fine, when they clearly arent. The fact that one month later we are still talking about prices of 100's of K's for materials that are needed in the dozens, or millions and 1-2 dozen millions for finished items should make that pretty obvious.

If not, then the fact that likely wont find any items with more then 1 entry (in HQ) being sold at the time (if even that), will.

On Leviathan right now, I just went and did a search on all of the 60 2-star items. Things up for sale? All up and down... zero. Items sold? I think 3 astral birch rings have sold. That's it. The market is pretty much dead. Sure, I might be gearing out my crafters such that the risk of NQ is sufficiently low that I can buy up all the NQ adamantite ingots, silks, etc (save myself the usage of red scrips)... but no buyers. Hell, the 2-star body pieces are the same graphic as the 1-star ones... And even if they WERE different... you'll be hardpressed to find players willing to spend upwards of 20M on a piece for glamour.

Honestly, the only 2-star worth selling is going to be the DoW/M gear, since crafters are more likely to make their own (i'm in agreement with many other posters. You make your own gear). However, the DoW/M gear is pretty much useless due to the low iLvl.

Think back to previous patches:
2.0: crafted was i70, myth/allagan was i90
2.2(?): crafted was i90, soldiery was i100, upgraded soldiery/coil was i110
2.4: crafted was i110, poetics was i120, upgrades poetics/coil was i130
3.0: crafted is i180, esoterics is i200, upgraded/savage is i210

That's the disparity. 30 iLvl instead of 20. 30 iLvl is a lot to overcome w/ materia to make it even CLOSE to the competition. And let's not even get into how Tier V materia is so ridiculously hard to come by.

I don't know. Even if they did change favors to come from blue instead of red. I don't think that would help any. As it stands right now, I can't go through my weekly red tokens on my gatherers. 15min x 45 = 11.25 hours. That's sick. And at the rate that I see favor mats from nodes, that equates to about 112 favor mats, which is enough for ~5.5 subcomponents. That's another disparity. Even if you spend ALL of your weekly red gather scrips, you simply cannot spend your red crafter scrips w/o buying up favor mats from other people. And many of those people aren't spending red scrips on favor mats since their gather gear upgrades are not craftable...

Can I take out a galleymaster's frypan and hit the devs over the head to wake them up? /rantoff

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I understand your logic in selling favor materials in 1s and 2s, but there are multiple crafters on my server that don't gather their own materials and rely entirely on the market board for getting these items. I'm too lazy to link a history page, but I'd say 250K the favor materials are purchased almost instantly and 500k is the norm. I've seen them sell for more than 500k but generally in 1s and 2s for filling out a ten stack as you suggested. I also find that people will buy the Roundstone or botanist equivalents becaues those tend to sell for about 1-1.5 mil and you only need 3.

At first I thought this would be temporary because not enough people reached the point of getting these, but the real glaring issue is people can't be bothered to sink this much time in farming these materials when the DoW/DoM gear was irrelevant the moment 3.05 dropped and all the crafted DoH gear is currently unnecessary.

I'm not implying that the markets are fine, on the contrary I think the economy in FFXIV has always been abysmal compared to WoW/Rift. Sad thing is that even if the crafted combat gear were best in slot only gil buyers and the crafters that could make it themselves would be able to afford it, which is ironic considering SEs stance on RMT.

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Originally Posted by Rath

The big thing is to not change your price, as soon as anyone sees you drop your price they wait to see how far you will drop it, undercutting yourself is just as bad as someone else doing it. This is just what I see on my server when listing items that are scarce.

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Thanks for the advice. I wasn't sure if what I had them up there for was too expensive and didn't want to give competition a chance to undercut me. At this point I don't really foresee anyone putting one up there, nor do I really care given the overall relevance of crafting as a whole in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

I understand your logic in selling favor materials in 1s and 2s, but there are multiple crafters on my server that don't gather their own materials and rely entirely on the market board for getting these items.

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This is the same on my server. Quite a few different crafters are buying favor mats. Stack size doesn't seem to matter much on Coeurl though.

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Now as this is a thread about who has managed to sell these items, people's sales history is relevant. It does not mean we agree the economy is fine and that we do not want changes. It just means that despite how tedious gathering the favor items is, they and the finished goods are selling in varying degrees of success from server to server. Now as to who is buying them? I did not recognize the crafters that bought my rings, but I do know the FC they are in. I do know most of the crafters buying the mats though, as they are mostly my competition since 2.0

I think these screenshots speak volumes. Since Aug 1 a total of 140 of the ooid-type favor mats have sold on your server. That means that only 14 subcomponents' worth of mats have exchanged hands from one player to another. Over 22 days. That's not the sign of a healthy market.

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I think these screenshots speak volumes. Since Aug 1 a total of 140 of the ooid-type favor mats have sold on your server. That means that only 14 subcomponents' worth of mats have exchanged hands from one player to another. Over 22 days. That's not the sign of a healthy market.

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The market for these items is not good, but those are 4 ss of the first 4 items I checked. I did not check them all. There are, from what I have seen and bought myself, at least as many being moved via pf as well. I expect most gatherers are just sitting on tokens waiting to see what changes they make. I myself have not bothered farming them after initially trying them out.

Just for reference, this is from my beta alts server. HQ rings are on the MB on this server for under 3mil.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...2aa0f65696.png

Sold *1* Gather ring, watching a miner offhand sit for weeks. Ring sold @ 2.5 Mil

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Originally Posted by Rath

The market for these items is not good, but those are 4 ss of the first 4 items I checked. I did not check them all. There are, from what I have seen and bought myself, at least as many being moved via pf as well. I expect most gatherers are just sitting on tokens waiting to see what changes they make. I myself have not bothered farming them after initially trying them out.

Just for reference, this is from my beta alts server. HQ rings are on the MB on this server for under 3mil.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...2aa0f65696.png

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our server has ooids at 150k to 250k each and roundstones cheaper; while the BTNx10 are more expensive, and the x3's cheaper; a screwed market

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I understand your logic in selling favor materials in 1s and 2s, but there are multiple crafters on my server that don't gather their own materials and rely entirely on the market board for getting these items. I'm too lazy to link a history page, but I'd say 250K the favor materials are purchased almost instantly and 500k is the norm. I've seen them sell for more than 500k but generally in 1s and 2s for filling out a ten stack as you suggested. I also find that people will buy the Roundstone or botanist equivalents becaues those tend to sell for about 1-1.5 mil and you only need 3.

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Materials are very server dependant yes. Not only because the economy is a bit different, but also because not every server will have the same amount of desperate people.


If the prices are still up too high by the way, none will buy at all except the ''desperate'', and those are few and far apart. Not dropping the prices isnt going to magically make someone buy it that otherwise wouldnt pay half the price. It's just going to tempt the person who would but it at 95% of ''too high''.

There is no reason to worry about competition tho, regardless. As from what I can tell there is zero competition in the 2*s markets since barely anyone places any finished items on the board (or refined materials for that matter), let alone the same entry.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Materials are very server dependant yes. Not only because the economy is a bit different, but also because not every server will have the same amount of desperate people.

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This kind of reminds me of mastercraft demimateria on my server back when GSM was the only sane way to acquire them.