Posting for a friend, I'll keep it simple. What's the accepted strategy for Pally main tanking faust. He has concerns with doing max dps while keeping hate. He's been told that he should be around 800 and both he and I thought that seemed high and hard to do. So what's the deal. Strength accessories? Sword oath? Is he likely to have hate trouble if he goes full dps mode? Thanks for the advice.
Pally dps in A1 Savage
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08-21-2015, 12:56 PMMcfromncPally dps in A1 Savage
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08-21-2015, 02:58 PMTadusThere are many method to do faust and because i do not know what his method is, i would say just go full vit w shield oath. Faust is the real boss there, oppressor is just the little guy. As for 800 dps? lol if the healers can keep him alive while faust increases in buff and OT gets hit by adds then go for it, he the can do 800 w full str n sword but if not, max he can prob do will be 400 w vit n shield oath. (Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcfromnc
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08-21-2015, 03:48 PMSandamar
I dont get your "faust Is the real boss " :)
Do you really think this ? -
08-21-2015, 03:51 PMAnimaS
not sounding realistic with pld i mt faust with warrior and do deliverance bursts asap; etc.. 700dps area. Main tank, not offtank I cannot imagine a pld doing that and staying alive.
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08-21-2015, 03:55 PMSpookyGhost
Personally, my static has the PLD hold everything. SwO for 2 stacks (compensates with Foresight + Conv, then Rampart), then ShO for the rest. @6 stacks I take Faust and pop all my CDs until he's dead. This gives our group more raid DPS than anything else we tried, but our PLD also isn't focused as heavily on DPS maximization as I am. If you're just tanking Faust alone, 3 STR + 2 VIT would probably be ideal (split damage on 2 tanks makes healing + DPSing a bit more rough, so going full STR would make things even riskier). SwO until 5-ish stacks, compensating with CDs, then ShO for the rest.
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08-21-2015, 06:40 PMCarstien
I imagine it's possible. I mt on WAR, starting in defiance, swapping to deliverance during opener and swapping back at 50%, and pull an average of 920. 2 vit accs only.
That's on WAR though, swapping my stances is off gcd. I imagine a PLD could average a nice 750 like this with today's gear but only if a nin or war is debuffing Faust. -
08-21-2015, 07:42 PMGooner_iBluAirJGR
I hold faust / all adds on warrior but I find it hard to do a full rotation when I do this so my deeps are a bit low but this allows the second tank to dps hardcore in full str. If your friend does something like this, his 800 dps goal probably wont be necessary.
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08-21-2015, 07:49 PMMartin_ArcainessYou are joking about Faust being the real boss right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadus
Well since PLD dose the lowest DPS of the 2 we put ours on adds since most of time he s not putting full DPS out so I DRK keep on Faust with grit off, shadewalker on me and then just wail away at faust. Not saying a PLD can't do it but for a easier run DRK ornwar on Faust. -
08-21-2015, 08:26 PMSapphidia
On the first week in run without a ninja/warrior (so no slashing debuff) I did test with a "turtling" setup doing what seemed to be a mostly max dps rotation in Shield Oath the whole time (to give both healers more time to dps), and was getting about 560-570 dps without any stance dancing. I guess between 600-650 is possible with the slashing debuff if you dont do any sword oath stance dancing and massively minmax with the current available str setups.
How much time you spend in Sword Oath is dependant on a.) do you have a ninja for threat transfer (so you can start in sword oath without needing some Shield Halone rotations for early threat) and b.) how comfy your healers are. On the runs I did do Sword Oath runs it was perfectly fine to do it until about 4 stacks, any more was getting a little hectic, but could probably go further now we're better geared. -
08-22-2015, 12:18 AMTadusWell, I just think Faust is harder than Oppressor lol. so that is why I believe he is the real boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess
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08-22-2015, 12:50 AMmatt8107t
Usually my group stacks on one side of faust and has war on the opposite side of the group overpower adds and attack faust inbetween the adds spawning. I use 3 slaying accessories and 2 vit in shield oath and usually pull about 740 during faust. Some of which is coming from circle of scorn on adds but that's how we do it.
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08-22-2015, 12:58 AMRapBreon
Have a Paladin single tank. Get Warrior to pretend he's a DPS and do like 1.1k to Faust alone.
You end up squeezing out way more ST damage if you have one tank just handle all the 'tanking' and one be a DPS (I think a PLD can do like 1k to Faust under ideal circumstances). -
08-22-2015, 02:48 AMDisc
As PLD or DRK I just tank everything and let the WAR go DPS mode full time. The damage he & the SCH put out make up for what I lose. I just make sure to let the adds run past me before I pull them so they can't attack me from behind or swipe the party. Pop Rampart/Shadowskin + Foresight + Convalescence + Awareness at the start, then pop them again as they come up while rotating in Sentinel/Shadow Wall near the end. I average 400-500 DPS on Faust doing this as DRK in mostly VIT gear, excluding DPS from adds.
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08-22-2015, 04:31 AMAshkendorJust have the paladin tank everything and have your off-tank be pure DPS. I end up with a modest 400-450 on Faust this way (3 slaying 2 fending, fighting in shield oath) but our warrior busts out around 1100.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcfromnc
A Paladin isn't going to put out 800 DPS as MT. It just hits too damn hard to keep Sword Oath up for long. -
08-24-2015, 12:08 PMBrian_
It depends on a lot of stuff.
Yes, a PLD can put out 800 DPS on Faust. With a pot, food, melded right side + slaying, a lot of i200+ gear, maybe a NIN for enmity, and in SwO for a large portion of the fight with proper dCD usage, they can push into the 800 range and it's not even really hard to do.
But, the question is if that's even a DPS gain for the raid. In reality, it's probably not.
If you run SCH and WHM, the SCH will probably have to switch to healing much sooner than they normally would. So, you lose some DPS there.
Next, since you aren't solo-tanking, you are going to lose a lot of OT DPS.
In terms of overall raid DPS, it's much better just to have your PLD solo-tank everything and burn the boss. Don't even bother getting cute with Faust taunting. SCH can full-time DPS until 5-6 adds and a WAR will push 1100+ DPS while you'll still probably chip in a solid 500+. -
08-24-2015, 04:35 PMAbomination713
800 dps isn't possible at all on PLD even with full slaying and sword oath. Best I can put out is about 500 dps in the case of a typical dungeon boss. That's average for the pld's around me as well. WAR can push out more. Seen them do about 800 if they care about their job, but that too is in full slaying while in dps stance.
Not sure how you guys are adding up your numbers, but I guess I don't know or everyone is trying to make themselves seem greater than they really are. -
08-24-2015, 05:21 PMMartin_Arcainessyou gotta be joking still XD, I find Faust easy to do, The Ops isn't so bad either I just see Faust more of a "You want boss? you get past me 1st"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadus
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08-24-2015, 08:54 PMHabienI have no idea what gear you're using, but in 180 stuff I was able to do 800ish on the first boss in Fractal, on a pld. The highest I've seen was around 950 on that boss. On Faust as DRK, I pull around 910, but I switch to grit at about 50% or so. Our healers (whm/sch) both pull in around 400-600 dps on him as well. Take it for what you will, but what you said is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abomination713
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08-24-2015, 11:54 PMCarstienLol, your dps really is an abomination there...800 dps is easy and that's without storm's eye to add to it, nor food and pots. Are you just using rage of halone repeatedly? This isn't a realm reborn anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abomination713
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08-25-2015, 07:14 AMAbomination713Quote:
Originally Posted by Habien
I'm 192 (187 in full slaying) and know how to use Goring blade and Royal Authority. You guys must be reading the numbers different than I am cause there's no way to get 800 dps on a PLD. Like I said in my other post, in Sword Oath and in full 180+ slaying accessories, I can only average out to 500 according to the numbers at the end of a lvl 60 dungeon boss. I just look at the main numbers on the main screen after the fight. How do you guys read your numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carstien
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08-25-2015, 07:22 AMEye_GoreThey are probably using that which shall not be named. Looking at the numbers on screen doesn't show the DoT from say goring blade of even CoS. But your number seems low I'm only ilvl 183 my shield lob hits for almost 500 using 3 slaying and 2 fending. RA will hit for almost 2k, in FoF well over 2k crit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abomination713
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08-25-2015, 08:45 AMAbomination713I know about that which shall not be named. 2k with RA? I hit 1.4k with it while in FoF (full slaying). My shield lob only hits for average of about 450 in full slaying with Sword Oath. About 375 in fending. You guys must be stacking all the str potions and foods possible cause that's not happening other wise. Do you guys also throw all your bonus points into str instead of vit? I don't raid since I don't have a static, but any info would help that you haven't said yet. Also, I'm using Rav's sword atm and will get ilvl 200 after reset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
If you guys are talking about pure dummies dps, that's different that a normal battle. Are you guys giving me the best possible out come with crit numbers or are these the average numbers? -
08-25-2015, 09:35 AMEye_GoreSorry should have been more specific. Those numbers are with FoF up, max DPS that I can hit for. I don't know what my actual DPS is as I play on a PS4. Was just thinking with the numbers you said it had to average higher than 500, it just seemed low. With out FoF up its about the same as the numbers you said in this post, roughly the same. The numbers don't change much with full slaying vs a mix, you do notice a change with full fending though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abomination713
I never readjusted my stats since hitting 60, but I currently sit at 773 str/774vit, thats a mix of accessories 3str/2vit. Almost at my eso chest piece so thats going to go up. -
08-25-2015, 12:07 PMBrian_
Um, I'm currently sitting at 900str/850vit before party buffs, raid buffs, food, and pots.
The tanks pulling the higher DPS numbers you see will all have similar stats.
The rest comes down to how long you can sit in sword oath, and how little enmity generation you can get away with. Outside of a few RoHs in your opener, you should be doing pure RA>RA>GB. -
08-25-2015, 02:31 PMRapBreonI mean this politely, but you're doing something wrong. Either with your PLD or your ACT, I suspect the latter. Maybe you have encounter reset on really low (like 5 seconds?) so when you switch off for even a small amount it resets your meter, denying you a big portion of your opening burst DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abomination713
Options > Main Table/Encounters > General. In there is should have two boxes. The lowest box on the page with a number in it is your encounter reset timer.
Honestly, it would be wise for you to beat on a dummy until you can match those numbers. It'll give you a feel for the where trouble is.
As for reading numbers, people are typically just reciting the column marked 'EncDPS'.