I just got a mob stolen from me from 100% claimed. to not being mine anymore..
There's nothing else I an say.. Farming amalja mats for the Ifrit fight and I just got one taken right from me..
You guys messed up so bad on this. You need to fix it now..
I an steal mobs from people like nothing.
I can redirect hate from a claimed mob to make it chase after me. and I an run it away from the party who claimed it..
You could not of messed this up worse on the claiming system.
Now we get to see if I an do this to people when they fight NM's/HNM's.. Likely I bet..
OMG I can steal mobs and have mine stolen from me.. WTF?!
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10-06-2011, 03:59 AMSolaceOMG I can steal mobs and have mine stolen from me.. WTF?!
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10-06-2011, 05:53 AMPhysicbecause the monster returning to its original zone, or getting zoned means you lose that first claim right, and he is saying you can force that by doing more dmg and running away from someone. Dont know if you can, but if you can make a monster chase you, you can reset it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luxley
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10-06-2011, 05:57 AMDarium
Just a thought but if someone tries that, can't you just stay put and wait for it to come back?
Seems to me that you win either way.
1) thief kills mob -> you get xp and rewards
2) thief runs it out of area, mob comes back to you.
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10-06-2011, 06:18 AMPhysic
when the mob walks back claim is lost. they will start walking back, but they go unclaimed. When it goes unclaimed im assuming anyone can claim it according to the patch notes.
so IF someone else can in fact make the mob chase them and deaggro, then they can take claim. -
10-06-2011, 06:46 AMReinheart
anyone test this yet?
I should be more clear....
Test > Getting hate from someone else and running the mob till it's in out of range area to see if the name color changes to unclaimed
I'm at work so no way to test with wife and my char atm but was worried about this even before patch lol -
10-06-2011, 09:34 AMPSxpert2011
I don't understand the misunderstanding... You claim a mob and if someone aggros it by either healing you or taking some other action, doesn't this still mean you had the claim first so you registered as #1 on the "hate list".
I wish I had some sort of reliable link-shell to further investigate this, I truly believe the system was designed to build on linking and combos so parties and alliances should be able to freely exp off more than one monster. Having a limit on claiming just one mob per party is not a good thing whether or not it links and you score combos.
... this was a duplicate post, sorry about that but now that it up, [SIZE="5"]"What's up Mysedia!!!!" [/SIZE]lol XD -
10-06-2011, 09:54 AMPSxpert2011I wouldn't worry... the system was designed to work as intended by stacking a list of player hate. Free roaming PCs can aggro a mob while taking action on it or assisting you. Until I can get into a reliable LS in Mysedia, cant be sure what the real issue is but I'm sure the linking system and claims are working fine if not better that any other MMO.Quote:
You guys messed up so bad on this. You need to fix it now..
I an steal mobs from people like nothing.
I can redirect hate from a claimed mob to make it chase after me. and I an run it away from the party who claimed it..
You could not of messed this up worse on the claiming system.
CONCERNING the OP- No matter what SE does, there's always those players who aren't content with any game until it works their way and ruins the challenge or fun experience for everyone else. When there's a real problem and/or glitch, be your professional and detailed when reporting a problem. Take it to the forums [like that] the way you did right now and it doesn't sound respectful. Considering whether your a grown man or a child, learn good manners and report glitches as so. -
10-06-2011, 10:02 AMPSxpert2011
Did you follow the mob and witness this activity happen? WHat happen to the first claiming party?
I'm sure what ever it is, its being addressed in todays update. Maybe since it's F2P, the system is gradually being implemented area by area. What other colors are you witnessing incase I run into the same situation?
I really don't understand what the OP is stating, I think there needs to be more clarity and professionalism unless the OP is in elementary school. I think someone else should detail this report better. What say you? -
10-06-2011, 12:35 PMSolaceYa thats a lot of fun with mobs that are designed to specifically screw u if they turn their back to u..Quote:
Originally Posted by Darium
Any jerk can now come to your raptor party and decide to take hate, forcing you to be in front of or behind the mob when he does special attacks, things like this can wipe parties..
Have fun tanking Great buffalo when he rages on you, if some jerk decides to steal hate...
Have fun on Dodore if the same said jerk decides to warmonger all the adds and face them at your party..
I've already been made miserable with this. People stealing my mobs hate then runnin all over the place, the mob links and guess who ends up with all the links? the guy who started it and has claim, not the guy who now has hate.. I'm very happy about the updates, plz don't think im not. I am loving them in general, but this needs to change.
First off I say, who you think you are Legolas? "What say you"? Did you really just say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by PSxpert2011
Anyone who comes into a topic and goes straight to insulting people, is just not worth my time. I'm not even going to respond to you unless you can talk like a mature adult and stop spam posting. -
10-06-2011, 11:23 PMNexxusHave you tried Dodore yet ? because before update, all the minions was claimed full time, maybe it haven't changed.Quote:
Dodore if the same said jerk decides to warmonger all the adds and face them at your party..
Also, i was in the party that "stole" your mob, in fact, i was in the cut-scene and when it was finished your mob was in red to me, so i don't know how did you losed your mob, peraphs it was in orange, or peraphs you've had more than one mob on you.
More important actually is that bastion are a Dynamis-like, have to bring 2 party to be safe. -
10-06-2011, 11:26 PMsyntaxlies
i think the new claim system is really fun, we tested it in a stronghold and it was some of the best times ive had in this game.
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10-06-2011, 11:59 PMAshaylin
I thought this was regulated to the bugs section?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post373176 -
10-07-2011, 01:31 AMSolaceEverybody wants to be a moderator..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashaylin
Idk how it happened either. But I was by myself and I had started fighting that mob before you guys were even there that time. Then some of your AOE attacks hit it or something and it ran after u guys, then someone ran away and I lost my mob.. I had only engaged one mob, that one, all by it's self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxus
I'm not about to spend all kinds of time chasing mobs other people pull away from me. This is not a good game mechanic.
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10-07-2011, 01:34 AMCycloptichornIf you're tanking an NM, and some random guy can waltz up and pull hate off of you, you're Doing It Wrong.Quote:
Have fun tanking Great buffalo when he rages on you, if some jerk decides to steal hate...
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10-07-2011, 04:51 AMSolaceIve tanked them all, ty Captain obvious.. People who "Camp" nm's.. will have multiple parties there.. if both parties voke the mob at the same time and fight for hate.. yea.. gl with that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn
1 think... 2 speak.. try it in that order.... -
10-07-2011, 05:27 AMAshaylinEasy. Not trying to bust your balls, Solace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solace
I'm just wondering if you knew they recognized this as a bug, so you don't have to worry about them going forward with that game mechanic (make sure for yourself though). People shouldn't have to stress over something like this.
If you already know that... then that's great. I won't poke into your business. -
10-07-2011, 05:30 AMCycloptichornThe situation you are talking about will be exceedingly rare. I wouldn't be concerned about it in the slightest until there's some actual evidence that it's a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solace
Camping NM's is the least of this game's issues right now... -
10-07-2011, 05:58 AMRhix
Wow, I know exactly what the OP is talking about and for some reason people are struggling to comprehend what he's saying.
Fight a mob -> Claim is yours
Guy 2 walks up and uses taunt -> Runs off
Mob follows Guy 2 -> Mob returns to territory (ALL CLAIM OFF NO ENMITY. SLATE CLEANED)
Guy 2 -> Some action against mob ASAP
Guy 2 -> complete 100% claim over mob. -
10-07-2011, 06:04 AMCycloptichornWe had exactly this happen yesterday when grinding in a Beastman stronghold. And the solution is simple: when the mob runs off after the other dude, you follow it and kill it instead of sitting there with a thumb up your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhix
He doesn't get a chance to claim the mob unless you're basically not doing your job.
Let me know the first time this actually happens, in a meaningful way with some NM that doesn't re-pop every 4 minutes, and I'll get concerned about it. Otherwise, can't join you in QQ'ing in my beer over this non-problem. -
10-07-2011, 06:19 AMRhixWtf is "not doing my job" then? In fact, what's this new fad in this broken game about people "not doing their job" whenever a legitimate problem arises? Doesn't affect you? Great, but it affects other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn
Can you handle it? Fine. Some can't. Following something around doesn't do crap when it decides to walk back to it's area and some tard comes and insta-claims it when you probably don't have an insta claim yourself.
Seriously dude, cut the crap. We're not all the high and mighty Rank50s who somehow managed to stick with this "game" long enough to see the number. You're not an expert, not even a dev. When they say it's a nonproblem, then it's a non-F******ing-problem. But coming from you doesn't mean crap and just makes me wonder why you're bothering to post on something meant for the devs acting like you know 100% how it's supposed to work. -
10-07-2011, 06:26 AMCycloptichornSerious question: has this ever once actually happened to you? With an NM or mob of import, in the last few days since the patch has been implemented?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhix
Or are you - like many posters here - just on a bitch-fest? You seem pissy across multiple threads today.
I'm not 'high and mighty.' I've been playing since June and it's not difficult to hit r50 in that time period. I'm not even what you would call a hardcore player. I'm in a casual, social LS. I sometimes have a hard time finding groups to do endgame content with. I'm an AVERAGE player.
What I'm not, is a complainer. I can't stand the bitching and moaning that goes on around here, you guys need to grow the hell up and stop whining constantly the minute anything gets a little harder in the game.
There's no legitimate problem here until it's documented as actually happening. As I doubt that's the case, all you're doing is blowing off steam. -
10-07-2011, 06:26 AMReinheart^^ This is what I was thinking about alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rhix
And what you're saying is probably right and doesn't really matter in this game right now but thinking in long term if they do release more open field NM/HNM that isn't 4-10min repops and this was still in the game it will be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn
Sure you can follow the mob but what if the other guys had a pull bot like FFXI once the claim gets unclaimed the just spam and pull the mob to claim it.
That is what I'm worrying about.
With current game I'm not concerned at all, I don't care if I lose a claim with current game but I'm just looking at the bigger picture. -
10-07-2011, 06:28 AMCycloptichorn
Fair enough, but that's a Slippery Slope argument. Basically, if things were completely different than they are today, this might be a problem.
That's just like saying, 'Hey, if we had a pizza, we could have beer. If we had beer.'
See what I mean?
Peepz need to take a chilllll pill and calm down. -
10-07-2011, 06:31 AMRhixMob import? Wouldn't say that. But in our effort to bring down Sirocco for it's THM staff, people thought it'd be hilarious to screw with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn
Blowing off steam =/= being legitimately pissed. Let's not even mention the fact that all my hard earned stuff is dated (Cuz I can always get new ones) or that I can't solo (I have my boyfriend for that, but even then duoing is still difficult and the exp doesn't exactly roll in). This is a type of system that invites A LOT of trouble with griefers (Sp?) or anyone who dislikes anyone and wants an easy way to screw them over. -
10-07-2011, 07:02 AMStabmegentlyGear Swap Macro -> Cure IV -> Invincible! Oh wait.. wrong game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn
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10-07-2011, 12:25 PMDreadnoughtthis happened to me today. it was near camp horizon with just some random mobs i was testing skills out on.Quote:
Fight a mob -> Claim is yours
Guy 2 walks up and uses taunt -> Runs off
Mob follows Guy 2 -> Mob returns to territory (ALL CLAIM OFF NO ENMITY. SLATE CLEANED)
Guy 2 -> Some action against mob ASAP
Guy 2 -> complete 100% claim over mob.
either the people were just being mean or using me as their guinea pig to see if they could get my half dead mobs items.... well they sure did. -
10-09-2011, 02:16 AMSolaceUg another person with their lame QQ based comments.. You people are the reason games get destroyed..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn
When your chaining mobs and people come into the middle of your group and AOE them all say goodbye to your chain XP..
Follow it.. roflmfao. God your just not very bright are you?
Who the fu@! wants to chase after mobs all day? you think that sounds fun?
are you retarded?
All your responses are bitchy and arrogant.. Waste of time responding to you and your "moronic" based comments. -
10-10-2011, 12:04 PMPSxpert2011
Wow, sounds serious. I seriously want to log on right now to test that out myself. If SE is aware, they're probably having problems with the system themselves. Big trouble in Square town it seems! XD