About bars and controller users

i don't know if theres a way to adress this qol issue or if it hasn't been suggested, but as heavensward appear new usefull skills that not replace old ones came, meaning that we have to "push" more buttons.

so what i'm asking is that if there any way so that L1 button can be assigned to an additional bar like LB or RT shown in the picture below, or if you could use the buttons to map in normal hot bars, as of rigth now only use for L1 is for auto run and is kinda useless on battles.

http://imgur.com/CKIoqpF

Use extended crossbars so you can push LT+RT or RT+LT to get quick access to another bar. Super convenient and easy. Most non-pet jobs can fit all skills including crossclass stuff on two crossbars (32 skills).

I would like the option to remap the hotbar/controller layout as well. With the intent of being able to place all my skills on the XBYA.
Hotbar 1: LB=XBYA
Hotbar 2: RB=XBYA
Hotbar 3: LT=XBYA
Hotbar 4: RT=XBYA
Hotbar 5: LT+RT= XBYA
Hotbar 6: RT+LT=XBYA
Hotbar 7: LB+RB=XBYA
Hotbar 8: RB+LB=XBYA
=32 skills

With this layout I would never have to take my left thumb off the analog stick in the situation of dodging enemy skills fast. Then my D-pad would be freed up for whatever I want there.

For example:
I could have one extra setup. If I hold LB+RB+LT+RT at same time with the ability to set it to multiple hotbar changes. I could switch to a whole other set of hotbars 9-16, where I could set all skills to the XBYA.

Of course this would require the controller hotbar cap to be raised to 16. If SE wanted to look into that.

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Originally Posted by seekified

Use extended crossbars so you can push LT+RT or RT+LT to get quick access to another bar. Super convenient and easy. Most non-pet jobs can fit all skills including crossclass stuff on two crossbars (32 skills).

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Conveniently the exact number of hotkeys you need to play dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Conveniently the exact number of hotkeys you need to play dragoon.

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Yeah you can. I am not saying the game is unplayable as it is now. I just have a preference of not having to take my finger off my movement button. What would be the solution when more abilities come later down the road though?

If movement wasn't such a requirement in combat, especially as you get higher and higher in levels. I wouldn't feel such a need to keep my finger on the movement pulse. There is a concept I learned in music called economy of motion. The basic is the less distance your fingers have to move to travel the playing surface, the faster and smoother your playing becomes.

As a controller user on either PC or PS4, here's how I layout my bars.


1) Weapon Drawn Hotbars. Set three hotbars to be not shared among classes. Then make one of them your Main Bar (we'll call it 1). Then, disable auto sheathe and make L3 draw weapon only (not Draw/Lock Target). In essence, this makes it so you only have one bar of skills accessible when fighting. These are your primary rotation/skills.

2) Quick Bars. Make a second unshared hotbar (2) the skills that you use in battle, but not the ones that you use constantly. These can be situational, or long cooldowns. Enable access to them with the L2+R2 combo Seekified mentioned.

3) Everything else. Put stuff that you either ONLY use outside of combat, or non-emergency spells on the last unshared hotbar. These can be accessed using R1+(a Dpad or Face button).

So, as a WHM, my Main Skills are on (1). No matter where I find myself, if I draw my weapon, there they are. If I select an enemy, they are there. And the best part, is since (1) is the only bar available via direct switch, quickpressing R1 in combat never accidentally removes them. My secondary skills (Raise, Sprint, potions, etc...) are on a second hotbar that I can access quickly via L2+R2, but I always come back to (1). And if I need anything on (3), like maybe Protect or Stoneskin II, I can R1+X (if it is actually hotbar 3), cast it, and then quickpress R1 again to go right back to my main bar (1), without fail. These skills could even be macro'd to in

The biggest drawback at first is remembering that you have to draw your weapon first, but just a little practice will take care of that.

start/select/r3/l3 also go relatively unused while holding down an R2/L2 trigger. I'd give up the ability to edit hotbars or lock target while holding a trigger for more action slots.

A couple of things that could help dodge things better.
1)Change sprint to empty a reserve you don't need based off the class you play, so you can use it in battle.
2)Add a dodge roll mechanic set to the A button being held down, the direction you flick the left analog determines the direction you roll. Tapping the left analog twice in a direction while the A button is held down will have you dash jump in the direction pressed on the analog.

Ahhh I find it funny that I made a post like this in the user interface forum basically asking the same thing. But I highly doubt they would switch L1 to like a backwards switch through the hotbars. Found my thread!
Hotbar L2+R2 question and hotbar sugesstion. (On PS4)

But basically I ended up doing what the others are saying and using the expanded hotbar designed to be different on each class so that my pet actions don't appear for my blm, etc. It's pretty nifty. However, my scholar looks exactly like the picture you shared. And I use the extra horizontal hotbar for my pet hotbar. However I'm sure there is a way to go about using it for other actions and then using keybinding to it if you want. I would love to post pictures but I at the moment cannot. I did manage to find this thread that should help though. Using both Keyboard and Gamepad at the Same Time After adding the hotbar, all you need to do is then go into the HUD layout and place it where you want, and if you wanna use the keyboard for those actions, you gotta assign keybindings to the actions in the keybind option.

Question about the extended crossbar option:

It's there to make it easier to access more buttons but... the bar you are actually activating with the extension still is there when you toggle, or is it something I'm overlooking?

Example, I play with 2 crossbars normally, I can fit everything (blm&whm 60) in two bars nicely. But thinking about sch or smn, I WILL need a third bar, and I tried this "extended crossbar" option. I thought it was neat, I can toggle from Xbar 1 to 2, and then press the extended combo to get another micro Xbar which is hosted in Xbar 8, but wait, I toggle back and forth and Xbar 8 also toggles. I thought that bar would be hidden for toggles if you have it on extended? What am I doing wrong? I really get mixed up in duties with 3 bars :/

Bloodrayne, exactly your point hehe

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

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This happened to me when I was first trying to figure it out. You got to make sure the hotbar you are using as extended is not being shared and also to not appear when you are using actions. My attack options only appear when I hit L3 to draw my weapon. So that kind of makes it easier to figure out how to set it up in my opinion. But basically make sure it is unchecked from the all the hotbar options in the configuration area. If I remember right, my extended is hotbar 4. And set four is not checked at all. Not for shared, not for when weapon is drawn or anything. So it only shows up by either using L2 + R2, or by holding R2 and choosing set 4. My suggestion is try going into the hotbar options, and unchecking set 8 and go from there.

At Bloodrayne:If you don't mind using keyboard and controller combos, you should look at this.
http://imgur.com/a/WSopH#XRKmCFp

My suggestion is built towards not needing a keyboard at all though.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

At Bloodrayne:If you don't mind using keyboard and controller combos, you should look at this.
http://imgur.com/a/WSopH#XRKmCFp

My suggestion is built towards not needing a keyboard at all though.

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o.o that seems pretty neat, however I don't use macros. Don't even know how to set one up. But I'll look into it. ^^'
edit: lol i'm not gonna lie, getting super confused reading how to do that. Especially since I play on ps4, and I think that that is more towards PC playing.

I use the extended hotbar mysel. I used two "pages" for all my main combat skills, with the most frequently used set on the first and keep rarely used, "utility" skills on the set for R2+L2.

That way skills I need like sprint, cleric stance, sheild or sword oath, and nocturnal or diurnal sect, but will only use once or twice in an entire instance, are accessible but out of the way. I put my SCH pet actions there, too, otherwise it would be insanely difficult!

If you have to switch stances use macros. When I select deliverance it switches to one hotbar, and when I select defiance it switches to another. I put my abilities L2+R2 and R2+L2. Super easy.

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Originally Posted by Bloodrayne2452

This happened to me when I was first trying to figure it out. You got to make sure the hotbar you are using as extended is not being shared and also to not appear when you are using actions. My attack options only appear when I hit L3 to draw my weapon. So that kind of makes it easier to figure out how to set it up in my opinion. But basically make sure it is unchecked from the all the hotbar options in the configuration area. If I remember right, my extended is hotbar 4. And set four is not checked at all. Not for shared, not for when weapon is drawn or anything. So it only shows up by either using L2 + R2, or by holding R2 and choosing set 4. My suggestion is try going into the hotbar options, and unchecking set 8 and go from there.

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omg you are a genius <3

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

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Example, I play with 2 crossbars normally, I can fit everything (blm&whm 60) in two bars nicely. But thinking about sch or smn, I WILL need a third bar, and I tried this "extended crossbar" option.....

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Did it mean the system default ex-hotbar for pets which is not editable ?

Btw, read like you never use pvp actions... as you can "fit everything" (blm&whm60) ^^;

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Originally Posted by Kupofried

i don't know if theres a way to adress this qol issue or if it hasn't been suggested, but as heavensward appear new usefull skills that not replace old ones came, meaning that we have to "push" more buttons.

so what i'm asking is that if there any way so that L1 button can be assigned to an additional bar like LB or RT shown in the picture below, or if you could use the buttons to map in normal hot bars, as of rigth now only use for L1 is for auto run and is kinda useless on battles.

http://imgur.com/CKIoqpF

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L1 lock the autorun is so important! How come you want to remove it!
During in a battle, range/healer will use it frequently, melee/tank will use it while kiting as well!
unavoidable there are some keys required your left thumb, so at this running moment, L1 autorun allow you free up your left thumb for pressing the up/down/left/right button immediately without stop running^^;

Not to mention out side of battle, while running, flying..etc, you can acess any xhotbar key without stop moving.
Therefore please think of other "uesless" button, but not this very important L1 autorun.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Did it mean the system default ex-hotbar for pets which is not editable ?

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No, just any extra bar.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Btw, read like you never use pvp actions... as you can "fit everything" (blm&whm60) ^^;

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I don't pvp as whm or blm ^^ and mainly because I just can't play with 3 bars. I pvp as brd and have brd set up especially just for pvp.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

L1 lock the autorun is so important!
Therefore please think of other "uesless" button, but not this very important L1 autorun.

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Haha, I absolutely hate the autorun! I removed it as soon as I worked out how. I'm adjusting the camera position and zoom constantly, and it would sometimes activate causing me to run into aoes or even off the edge in Titan.

But you can remove it yourself so not sure why it's an issue.

More related to the topic, 2 hotbars plus extended is perfectly useable! I don't think anything needs changing at the moment.

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Originally Posted by seekified

Use extended crossbars so you can push LT+RT or RT+LT to get quick access to another bar. Super convenient and easy. Most non-pet jobs can fit all skills including crossclass stuff on two crossbars (32 skills).

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This.

I only discovered it recently, and it is a life saver. Greatly improves my controls without affecting my coordination.

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Originally Posted by seida

Haha, I absolutely hate the autorun! I removed it as soon as I worked out how. I'm adjusting the camera position and zoom constantly, and it would sometimes activate causing me to run into aoes or even off the edge in Titan.

But you can remove it yourself so not sure why it's an issue.

More related to the topic, 2 hotbars plus extended is perfectly useable! I don't think anything needs changing at the moment.

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Haha, by the way, FF14 (PS3/PS4) controller default setting is almost same as FF11 (PS2), therefore this default setting (ie. autorun/camera) is like this since year 2001.
Actually I don't find any conflict with the camera zoom, maybe we are using different type of controllers? ^^;

To clarify extended crossbars a bit, by default it uses crossbar 8 and you access each half of it with each trigger combo (LT+RT for left half, RT+LT for right half). You need to go into Character Config > Hotbars > Sharing and untick sharing for bar 8, otherwise whatever you put there will show up for all other classes as well.

The way I use it is keep all my main rotation stuff on the main bar, put cooldowns and other less-used skills on bar 8 for use with both triggers, then I've also activated two vertical hotbars and put them next to the crossbar and copy my long cooldowns there so I can easily see when they come off cooldown without switching bars.

Ever since I started using this system, my play is much more fluid and it's easier to react to stuff.

L1 isn't a blank button, On your mob/aggro list if you have more than 1 enemy, hold L1 and use the up and down on the the d-pad to select targets from that list, its alot easier than using left and right or L1,R1.

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

L1 isn't a blank button, On your mob/aggro list if you have more than 1 enemy, hold L1 and use the up and down on the the d-pad to select targets from that list, its alot easier than using left and right or L1,R1.

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Thank you. I came in here to say this. The OP says that the L1 button is only for autorun. However as you have mentioned, it is also used in conjunction with up and down on the d-pad to select targets from the enmity list.

It is also used with left and right to select members of the other parties in your alliance if you're in PvP or a 24-man raid. The other function it has is for swapping target filters, so it actually has several uses.

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Originally Posted by RhynAzullo

Thank you. I came in here to say this. The OP says that the L1 button is only for autorun. However as you have mentioned, it is also used in conjunction with up and down on the d-pad to select targets from the enmity list.

It is also used with left and right to select members of the other parties in your alliance if you're in PvP or a 24-man raid. The other function it has is for swapping target filters, so it actually has several uses.

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I never knew this :O

That's the way I do it :
One main hotbar (#1), one extended hotbar (#7)
One additionnal hotbar (#2) for skills that I don't have to use really quick during combat (Like Protect).

When I use the toggle button, it only switch on 1 and 2.

And for jobs that have mutually exclusive skills, I make a macro to place the right skill on the right slot.
For example, in my Defiance macro, I'll assign Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone to two slots, and on my Deliverance macro, I assign Fell Cleave and Decimation to the same slots.

Same for SCH and SMN with the pet skills on the extended hotbar.

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

L1 isn't a blank button, On your mob/aggro list if you have more than 1 enemy, hold L1 and use the up and down on the the d-pad to select targets from that list, its alot easier than using left and right or L1,R1.

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That is fine. It could also still have autorun remappable and be an additional hotbar switch instead still.

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Originally Posted by seekified

To clarify extended crossbars a bit, by default it uses crossbar 8 and you access each half of it with each trigger combo (LT+RT for left half, RT+LT for right half). You need to go into Character Config > Hotbars > Sharing and untick sharing for bar 8, otherwise whatever you put there will show up for all other classes as well.

The way I use it is keep all my main rotation stuff on the main bar, put cooldowns and other less-used skills on bar 8 for use with both triggers, then I've also activated two vertical hotbars and put them next to the crossbar and copy my long cooldowns there so I can easily see when they come off cooldown without switching bars.

Ever since I started using this system, my play is much more fluid and it's easier to react to stuff.

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It is pretty fluid. I would like the option I listed earlier to be able to react even faster though since my finger would never leave the analog stick.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3258191

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3258222

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Haha, by the way, FF14 (PS3/PS4) controller default setting is almost same as FF11 (PS2), therefore this default setting (ie. autorun/camera) is like this since year 2001.
Actually I don't find any conflict with the camera zoom, maybe we are using different type of controllers? ^^;

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It's been like that since 2001... so??

If you press L1 you autorun. You also have to hold L1 to zoom. You don't think this can cause issues if you try to zoom while moving?

Maybe you just never zoom while moving. But for those of us that do, it can be quite inconvenient.

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Originally Posted by seida

...If you press L1 you autorun. You also have to hold L1 to zoom. You don't think this can cause issues if you try to zoom while moving?
Maybe you just never zoom while moving. But for those of us that do, it can be quite inconvenient.

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it has no conflict, press L1 once enable autorun, u dont need hold the button, then you still can zoom. tho u may try again and see^^;

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

It is pretty fluid. I would like the option I listed earlier to be able to react even faster though since my finger would never leave the analog stick.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3258191

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3258222

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Ive seen you mention this twice so far and as someone who exclusively played melee dps in high end raid content for over a year I have to ask what part about holding in R2 or L2 makes you have to move your thumb from the analog stick?

Assign your attacks to the buttons. The Dpad for the buffs.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

Ive seen you mention this twice so far and as someone who exclusively played melee dps in high end raid content for over a year I have to ask what part about holding in R2 or L2 makes you have to move your thumb from the analog stick?

Assign your attacks to the buttons. The Dpad for the buffs.

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It's either move a finger on the hand controlling left analog or reaching over with the right hand. Even reaching over for buffs is less optimal than strictly analogs and face buttons.

I would also like to see an option in this game where Developers can add a "Default" setting to cross bars, just to know how they think cross bars should work with all those abilities. Even return to a Default setting if a player so chose to do it. Or at least some templates.

Does anyone else use Xpadder? I find it very useful.

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Originally Posted by Andaeron

As a controller user on either PC or PS4, here's how I layout my bars.
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The biggest drawback at first is remembering that you have to draw your weapon first, but just a little practice will take care of that.

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I use a similar arrangement. To take care of needing to draw your weapon first, my weapon sheathed bar (in addition to having all my non-combat stuff) duplicates a couple of the combat actions from my main weapon drawn bar, the actions I tend to use first when initiating combat. I can run around with my weapon sheathed, spot an enemy and fire off an attack, which automatically draws my weapon, switching my bar to the one with all the rest of my primary combat actions. (I still need to manually sheathe my weapon when done, though. At first I tried it with auto-sheathe, but some NIN actions would sheathe my weapons while still in combat which kept screwing up my bars. With my current arrangement, it will automatically draw my weapon when starting combat and remain drawn until I manually sheathe it.)

I have:

• bar 1: primary combat actions.
• bar 2: less common, more situational actions. (Mostly combat actions, but includes things like Protect too, normally out-of-combat)
• bar 3: extra space if first 2 bars weren't enough (only used for SCH/SMN so far)
• bar 4: out of combat stuff + a couple combat initiating skills

With weapon drawn, R1 "cycling" is set to bar 1 only.
With weapon sheathed, R1 "cycling" is set to bar 4 only.
(Set to automatically switch whenever I draw or sheathe.)
Bar 2 is used with the R2+L2 and L2+R2 extended bar combos.
Bar 3 I only get to with R1+face button selection. This is a little more awkward, but still doable. (That it's a bit more awkward is probably why I'm not particularly good at Scholar or Summoner jobs. I have too much tendency to just leave my pet to do his own thing.)

All four of the bars I use are class/job specific. The out-of-combat one (bar 4) is set up with most of the same things on each, but needed to be job specific in order to add the combat initiating actions, as well as to simplify DoH/DoL.

Since crafting and gathering don't count as drawing your weapon (even though you do have your tools out), my weapon sheathed bar (bar 4) becomes my main crafting / gathering actions bar on DoH/DoL classes. That means regular out-of-combat stuff like mounts, minions, sprint, teleport, return, etc., which combat jobs have on bar 4, instead get moved to my extended L2+R2 bar (bar 2) for DoH/DoL classes.

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Originally Posted by Reih

I would also like to see an option in this game where Developers can add a "Default" setting to cross bars, just to know how they think cross bars should work with all those abilities. Even return to a Default setting if a player so chose to do it. Or at least some templates.

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This would be great, really.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I use a similar arrangement. To take care of needing to draw your weapon first, my weapon sheathed bar (in addition to having all my non-combat stuff) duplicates a couple of the combat actions from my main weapon drawn bar, the actions I tend to use first when initiating combat.

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I used to have an attack/stance change button on my noncombat main bar (since it was shared across all classes), but in all honesty, that wasn't the real issue. When I first started this, I would be in Haukke, doing the Void Lamps, and interacting takes you out of combat, then I'd accidentally use Sprint instead of healing my Tank. I would just like it if the game client would not auto sheathe on certain events (I'm looking at you, entering purple combat circles). "You sense a hostile presence." *sheathes weapon* O.o ?!?