AST Stat Weights

Even though i'm currently running as SCH in my static id like to be able to switch over to AST once it's been balanced. To minimize the headache that will be regearing i'm trying to figure out it's stat weights in comparison to schs.

I thought there wasn't enough high-level gear yet for optimizing stats to be done on healers via switching gear, so stat weights didn't matter at all?

You can mix and match the savage alex gear with the eso gear. So in my eyes there's absolutely a bis for healers.

Healer sub-stats have never mattered and still don't matter. Most ASTs are stacking crit.

WD, MND, VIT, and defenses pretty much trump all else.

That being said, when the choice presents itself, I favor DET/PIE for both WHM and AST, CRT/DET/PIE for SCH.

Spell Speed thus far doesn't seem to grant a large enough boost to HoTs to compensate for its relative uselessness for healing purposes. Spell Speed does offer something for DPS (both for hard-cast nukes and at least to some extent for DoTs now), but IMO it brings very little to healing if you already know when and what you're supposed to be healing.

Crit is great for SCHs because of Adlo, but for the other healers it's...ok. Not that anyone has much of a choice at this point due to limited gear options, of course.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Healer sub-stats have never mattered and still don't matter. Most ASTs are stacking crit.

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Most ASTs are stacking crit....maybe because they do matter?

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Originally Posted by DkDerek

Most ASTs are stacking crit....maybe because they do matter?

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No? Unlike DPS, there is no mathematically optimal stat for healing because all that matters is using the right spells at the right times. Crit, det, SS, and piety have been and are 100% based on preference. The only real exception is SCH because of crit shields and even then, it's not like a SCH that stacks det and little crit can't clear or has a harder time doing so. The reason ASTs are stacking crit is due to the lack of emergency heals and chain-casting Benefic anyways, but again, it's not like it's any better or worse than a AST that stacks det.

Stats with current gear and level don't have much impact as with i130 at level 50. You can say it's comparable with i90 at level 50.

Doesn't mean you can't optimise if you wish.

Spellspeed right now has a small effect on HoTs. But as one stance doesn't use HoTs at all, spell speed isn't as valuable compared to piety, crit and det.
In a nutshell; you can't go wrong with piety and determination. Crit would potentially be better than spellspeed as both stances benefit from it, unlike Spellspeed - for all you Nocturnal sect haters, let's forget about personal opinions about the sect for this particular topic.

Tldr; piety/det >>> crit >> spellspeed

What's a nocturnal sect?

I agree with most ppl that SpellSpeed is not worth it as a heal, neither its cast-time-reduction nor havnt I seen anything in detail concerning how it affects HoTs/DoTs (yes it does, but to what extend is not (yet) known to me :X).

I read somewhere on reddit (forgot to bookmark the thread) that DTR scales quite bad at the moment. So I'll stick with crit.
However this is somewhat of an preference issue, overall I'd say:

Crit>=DTR>>>PIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SpellSpeed

I don't think you will be able to get a solid answer that's guaranteed to work, only wild guesses. Keep that in mind when making your decision.

No one knows how much they will change astros. They might tweak mana management, spell potencies, cooldowns, heck maybe even alter some of the mechanics. It is also possible that they won't change anything major and only adjust certain values (judging from previous promises).

Buy the essential items for your SCH to keep up with your static's progression and hold on to your remaining Esos / savage pages until 3.1. They will also introduce the new 24-man raid in 3.1, so even if you are behind in gearing your AST, you'll most likely be able to get it up to speed.

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Originally Posted by YuiSasaki

I read somewhere on reddit (forgot to bookmark the thread) that DTR scales quite bad at the moment. So I'll stick with crit.
However this is somewhat of an preference issue, overall I'd say:

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Not only determination, everything's scaling pretty poorly with current gear. At least till we're getting saturated with secondary stats through inflated ilevel gear - Like ten levels back before 3.0.

I've done a relatively small scale testing concerning crit on scholar:
716 crit
341 auto attacks and 41 of them being a critical hit (12% rate)
Got bored after 17 minutes of watching my character book smack a dummy

Back at level 50, having that much crit would have been around 26%, if not more.

Piety is actually fairly strong for AST compared to SCH.

Each point of Piety increases your Maximum MP by ~6.5 on AST at 60 compared to ~6.2 for SCH. In-Combat Mana Regen Rate is also based off of your max MP (2% of your max mana per tic).

Mana Regen per tic = Max MP * 0.02.

Just wanted to add a bit of information to the thread.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Not only determination, everything's scaling pretty poorly with current gear. At least till we're getting saturated with secondary stats through inflated ilevel gear - Like ten levels back before 3.0.

I've done a relatively small scale testing concerning crit on scholar:
716 crit
341 auto attacks and 41 of them being a critical hit (12% rate)
Got bored after 17 minutes of watching my character book smack a dummy

Back at level 50, having that much crit would have been around 26%, if not more.

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Found some interesting stuff on reddit concerning crit calculation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mage_formulae/



I somewhat doubt it to be accurate but according to the calculation you would have a crit chance of approx. 13,3857233%, which comes close to your auto-hit test (which is in-fact small-scaled).
Maybe I'll do some testing with my AST.

On a side note, considering that crit scales in a linear fashion (at least it appeared that way in 2.0+ -> see valk dancing mad (which is by now outdated, but well I honestly don't think that they changed crit behaviour with 3.0)), it is rather obvious that they'd downgrade crit rating - crit chance "transcription"(or rather applying said behaviour for every secondary stat). Otherwise secondary stats would be overpowered as fuck (as you mentioned you'd have 26%+ crit chance with gear from the "start" of an expansion).

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Spellspeed right now has a small effect on HoTs.

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False it only effect damaging dots only it does not effect Healing effects (HoTs)

For me i just go

Wep > Mnd > Crit=Det >>>>>>>>>> Spell speed>>> Pie

If spell speed effect HoTs i would of place it first but it only effects DoTs only i try spell speed before on my last gear b4 esorterics and it did jack for my HoTs so i switch to Crit/Det instead

if spell speed does effect hots..... i barely even notice the increase because it is that bad

And im soo put off by the esorteric weapon... damn pie/spell speed ughhh..... so im waiting for relic instead i could get ravana wep if i wanted to but it will get upgraded too fast so i havent brought it with my tokens xD.... im carefully planning my character

For AST i would go with Det but that is just only on my ideal world were SCH are crit and WHM are SS.

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

False it only effect damaging dots only it does not effect Healing effects (HoTs)

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3.00 Patch Notes

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Skilspeed and spellspeed now affect damage over time and healing over time effects.

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Though I have heard SpS and SkS add an extremely negligible amount to DoTs and HoTs (take with a grain of salt)

Interesting findings i've done with spell speed for AST (No Sect).

At 60, apparently Spell Speed reduces the GCD after 26~27 points invested into AFTER the threshhold of 361 Spell Speed has been reached. Going from 360 to 361 Spell Speed takes the GCD from 2.5 to 2.49.

Going from 361 to 387 drops the GCD by 0.01

Going from 387 to 414 drops to GCD by 0.01

Going from 414 to 440 drops the GCD by 0.01

So on and so forth.

Equation: floor(New GCD) = 2.5 - (((Current Spell Speed - 334) / 26.5) * 0.01)

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

False it only effect damaging dots only it does not effect Healing effects (HoTs)

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Or you could actually read patch notes or even ingame tooltips

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Or you could actually read patch notes or even ingame tooltips

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Or u can read my post again I said if it does it barely makes a difference at all no matter how much spell speed u stick into ur character ... To me spell speed is crap

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

Or u can read my post again I said if it does it barely makes a difference at all no matter how much spell speed u stick into ur character ... To me spell speed is crap

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That's....not what you said.

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

Or u can read my post again I said if it does it barely makes a difference at all no matter how much spell speed u stick into ur character ... To me spell speed is crap

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While you did say that, you also claimed at the very beginning of that post:

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

False it only effect damaging dots only it does not effect Healing effects (HoTs)

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Which was a response you directly quoted to:

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Spellspeed right now has a small effect on HoTs.

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So, yeah, I'll just repeat what Lyrica said.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Or you could actually read patch notes or even ingame tooltips

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Please and thank you.

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

Or u can read my post again I said if it does it barely makes a difference at all no matter how much spell speed u stick into ur character ... To me spell speed is crap

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Well, if you actually bothered reading entire posts before you get all defensively because others, not just me, pointed out you're in the wrong here:

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Stats with current gear and level don't have much impact as with i130 at level 50. You can say it's comparable with i90 at level 50.

Doesn't mean you can't optimise if you wish.

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The stat weights appear to depend entirely on the stance. Spell speed has a huge merit to those who diurnal stance while Det is more beneficial to noct. All other stats are preferential.

Heres what I have found successful: (lets ignore piety cause thats honestly your filler stat)
Diurnal: SS=Det=crit (Det is slightly better)

Reason: Diurnal stance is known for their dps capability. They can push out dps numbers superior to noct stance.
Spell speed with a difference of 40 spell speed i noticed about 10 HP more per heal over time tick. It also has more of an impact on the actual cast times. Yay more dps!
Crit rate is awesome! With heal over time you'll see some ticks go up by 600! usually 1 happens each time.

Noct stance: i tested spell speed. It does like literally nothing but increase the speed by maybe 1/50'th of a second for 100 spell speed. its garbage. Dont use it. Det=crit>>>>>ss is good way to go.

Welcome to 5 months ago! I'll just forward you to other astrologian stat discussion topics, rather than beating a dead horse:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...T-Stat-Weights
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3-AST-Gear-BiS
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IS-Secondaries
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...S-3.1-and-CRIT

No, it still has some life in it I think I saw it twitch.

P.S. I just realized what I did. I'm sorry.

P.P.S Well, hopefully no one notices with practically nothing but AST threads on the front page.

Burn in hellfrit,
You are welcome,
Nanamo Namo.

ps: Diadem stat>everything.
ps2: Yes, we got too much AST threads.