A savage static without a paladin

Would this be okay? (Warrior and Dark Knight, of course. No doubles)

Paladin is just so good as an MT I feel like a group without one might be gimped...and if you had this comp, who would be a better MT?

The MT in my static quit the game today so now I'm brainstorming for stuff to do to resolve this. Wanted some opinions, because I know a couple warriors...

All three tanks are excellent in both, the MT and OT positions.

Not having a PLD will only mean you might want the WAR to MT some fights instead of the DRK.

None of the tank compositions is gimped in anyway. Unless you're running doubles then you risk limit break build up issues.

Maybe it's more flexible than I thought...though an offtank paladin sounds odd. I must still be in the 2.0 mindset.

as pheonica stated , shouldn't be an issue. a lot if not most tanks have multiple tanks leveled, myself included as i like to mix it up on occasion. just because you see other groups (world/server firsts) clearing with X-job composition doesn't make it the only possible way to defeat a certain Raid- play to yours/your groups abilities and go with what works best.

I don't even watch the top groups or anything, more just...I thought paladin MT was a required thing. I haven't paid much attention to tanking changes since HW dropped, I admit.

Can't hurt to give it a try.

^^ OT pld is dope, their toolkit at 60 has nice support. Cover followed by clemency, divine well, my pally tank partner even does the shelltron>provoke>shield lob just to take a hit when my war stacks are low or bloodbath/foresight drops off.

PLD has always been a great OT since 2.0. PLD OT became that much better with 3.0 additions. PLD was crap in 1.x.

WAR has always been a great MT since 1.0. WAR in 2.0 lacked a bit, but as a matter of fact, only things WAR couldn't solo MT in 2.0 were T5 and double Dreads in T4. WAR MT became a power house in 2.1 and beyond.

Nothing changed for these tanks in 3.0. These two just got better at what they do in both roles, MT and OT.

DRK is a great MT in magical fights. DRK has the same basic defensive CD structure as PLD. DRK OT lacks utility but brings good DPS.

As I said, any combo of tanks works perfectly as long as you know who should do what.

Thanks for the info. :3 This should help my static find a tank a lot easier.

My statics MT is a DRK so it's definitely doable. Just takes some adjustments on your healers part but you will lack some utilities in exchange for slightly more doable dps.

One thing to note is if you don't have a MNK DRK is a little nicer due to delirium providing the int down debuff.

If you do have a monk pld is nice for str down debuff and still get int down debuff.

Drgs work nice with Drk
Mnk works nice with Pld
Nin works nice with War.

Just nice due to rotations and debuffs supplied, not at all required.

Ninja also works well with Drk for the slashing debuff. And Dragoon just works well with anything/everything thanks to battle litany, but I see the point you're trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Phoebus

One thing to note is if you don't have a MNK DRK is a little nicer due to delirium providing the int down debuff.

If you do have a monk pld is nice for str down debuff and still get int down debuff.

Drgs work nice with Drk
Mnk works nice with Pld
Nin works nice with War.

Just nice due to rotations and debuffs supplied, not at all required.

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You shouldn't be pairing DPS one by one with the tanks. DPS ratio to tanks is 2:1. Unlike healers to tanks.

NIN buffs all three tanks equally. As a matter of fact, NIN works better for the other tanks just because of Goad. But WAR synergy with NIN is good because they can drop DE.

MNK and DRG get and give no direct benefit to and from the tanks. But they have their raid utility.

The right way to look at it imo is:

You don't need a MNK if you have a DRK.
You don't need a NIN if you have a WAR. But WAR adds to NIN nicely.
DRG is king of DPS and there is no reason not to bring one, like ever!

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Originally Posted by Phoenicia

You shouldn't be pairing DPS one by one with the tanks. DPS ratio to tanks is 2:1. Unlike healers to tanks.

NIN buffs all three tanks equally. As a matter of fact, NIN works better for the other tanks just because of Goad. But WAR synergy with NIN is good because they can drop DE.

MNK and DRG get and give no direct benefit to and from the tanks. But they have their raid utility.

The right way to look at it imo is:

You don't need a MNK if you have a DRK.
You don't need a NIN if you have a WAR. But WAR adds to NIN nicely.
DRG is king of DPS and there is no reason not to bring one, like ever!

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That was pretty much my point i was just trying to keep it brief as i am on phone. Thanks for the elaboration.

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Originally Posted by Phoenicia

DRG is king of DPS and there is no reason not to bring one, like ever!

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Unless you are on EU server, latency is killing their optimal play for most as there is no way you can weave 2 oGCD's durning GCD its just impossible(NiN is on same boat due mudras). So because of this MNK is actually most optimal melee class for EU players if you are suffering from heavy latency/delays.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Unless you are on EU server, latency is killing their optimal play for most as there is no way you can weave 2 oGCD's durning GCD its just impossible(NiN is on same boat due mudras). So because of this MNK is actually most optimal melee class for EU players if you are suffering from heavy latency/delays.

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But even on my server (which is EU) DRGs are outDPSing monks. :o

As long as you have a WAR + PLD or DRK you're golden for current content.

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Originally Posted by Phoenicia

But even on my server (which is EU) DRGs are outDPSing monks. :o

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Ya I agree on that, seen that too.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Maybe it's more flexible than I thought...though an offtank paladin sounds odd. I must still be in the 2.0 mindset.

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Former static was MT WAR-OT WAR at start then I swapped from WAR to SCH and we got a PLD so we were MT WAR - OT PLD. The pally took a game break we got another WAR again. The OT WAR swapped to DRK in Heavensward till we disbanded lately (some other story).
I don't see any issues in any combo seeing that were our compositions SCOB and FCOB echoless.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Unless you are on EU server, latency is killing their optimal play for most as there is no way you can weave 2 oGCD's durning GCD its just impossible(NiN is on same boat due mudras). So because of this MNK is actually most optimal melee class for EU players if you are suffering from heavy latency/delays.

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Wonder what you talk about I level mnk for fun and am on an odd connection that makes me lag in the evenings currently... my DPS is shit because I rarely get to activate 3rd skill of combos and keep GL up :o

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

Former static was MT WAR-OT WAR at start then I swapped from WAR to SCH and we got a PLD so we were MT WAR - OT PLD. The pally took a game break we got another WAR again. The OT WAR swapped to DRK in Heavensward till we disbanded lately (some other story).
I don't see any issues in any combo seeing that were our compositions SCOB and FCOB echoless.



Wonder what you talk about I level mnk for fun and am on an odd connection that makes me lag in the evenings currently... my DPS is shit because I rarely get to activate 3rd skill of combos and keep GL up :o

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Might be better when we get our EU server, though for me from my region wont make that much of a difference either way :(

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Originally Posted by Faeon

Might be better when we get our EU server, though for me from my region wont make that much of a difference either way :(

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Hope is there :)