How do you handle "ragequit" content?

By "ragequit", I'm referring to any trial or dungeon that people seem to not have much patience for: DD, Aurum Vale, Dragon's Neck, Thornmarch, etc.

I just did an undersized AV run for my paladin Atma book and I realized that of the two times I've attempted to tank it normally, both times I've had party members ragequit on the first wipe. The thing is, no one says anything or provides any feedback; they just drop. Hence why I just did an undersized party run with a few friends.

I've seen a lot of this in Dragon's Neck and Thornmarch, too. I get it: if you're trying to card farm it gets boring quickly. But maybe I get too optimistic, because I've never initiated a kick or a vote abandon, and most of the time I vote "no" on the vote abandons.

So what do you do? How likely are you to stick around after the first wipe?

Unless I'm in a really bad mood or have something to do, I'll stick around for at least 3-4 wipes. If it becomes clear that something just isn't going right, I'll leave or vote abandon.

Depends on my mood or attitude of the party members involved.

IF one person want to ragequit but dont want to take the penalty for droping i try to conviince the other 2 to not kick him and trap hin on the dungeon.

Honestly a lot of that content isn't bad if the party is minimally competent. But then, you know, there's that catgirl lizardgirl that stands in the gold pools and doesn't eat fruit, and so on...

I generally won't drop at the start, but if the party's scrubby, I'll just eat the 30 minute cooldown and go do something productive. Well, as much as playing a game can be productive...

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

IF one person want to ragequit but dont want to take the penalty for droping i try to conviince the other 2 to not kick him and trap hin on the dungeon.

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What a petty, immature attitude.
Why would you forcibly try to keep someone around who you don't want to play with, and obviously they don't want to play with you?

The only thing I ragequit if I'm on bad mood is steps of faith. Even Aurum Vale is fun compared to that dumb ****.

For all the talk of ragequit content, they make great role training.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

What a petty, immature attitude.
Why would you forcibly try to keep someone around who you don't want to play with, and obviously they don't want to play with you?

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If one doesn't want to be there, why not just leave and eat the penalty? Honestly, you dont need to beg to be kicked, if you don't wanna be there. Just take the pen, go chill out for 30. Try again after.

Because I'm sure everyone had that guy where you kick him cause, like you said, but... oh.. wait.. look he's here again.

I won't force the group to do anything, but just saying. No one can force you to stay.. but don't beg to avoid a penalty, lmfao.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

What a petty, immature attitude.
Why would you forcibly try to keep someone around who you don't want to play with, and obviously they don't want to play with you?

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That's the thing though. They are not "forcibly" being kept around. They can leave any time they want. They knew what the deal was when they queued up for the roulette, and they can man up and eat the penalty if they choose not to be in that particular dungeon/trial. :)

Spent an hour and a half helping a load of newbies with titan ex as 60...

Tried as mch always last alive, with the experienced healer.

Goads killing us off

Replaced tank he somehow kept getting knocked off new one couldn't hold hate so I switched to mt

Again just me and healer left last 20%...

Complete waste of time but I tried lol really got close to screaming at these for not learning to Dodge landslide in an hour and half....

Instead i bowed out and wished them the best of luck

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Originally Posted by Kallera

For all the talk of ragequit content, they make great role training.

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Yes and no. To use the Aurum Vale example again, a DPS that doesn't eat fruit, stands in pools, etc etc isn't really training the healer*. It's just stressing them out and potentially getting that person angry at the healer. Coincounter, at least, OHKOs for mistakes, but if they won't listen (or maybe just lag that much)... see below.

Thornmarch... same deal. If someone just won't follow the kill order no matter how much you plead with them, it's just a waste of time.

Now if you get someone generally new who fixes their mistakes... that's not so bad. Those newbies aren't the problem. The problem is those who don't care and don't listen. (And usually get away with it because 90% of the game's content lets them ignore mechanics.... including most guildhests, which are supposed to be training and are optional anyways)

*If the healer is genuinely new I guess it does teach them that sooner or later you have to stop healing the guy messing up, but it does so in the worst possible way. But most healers are not new and thus the dungeon is just a healer stress/rage generator.

Of all the things that anger me in this game, nothing does it 'better' than quitters. And it's getting pretty bad. I did a Leveling Roulette into Brayflox and both the tank and healer /leave after the first pull. The pull went fine, noone died, all the mobs were dead... though it was a large pull, near the whole first room, but nothing went wrong. Wound up cycling the other DD (I was Monk at the time, trying to get that Mantra) before getting a new tank and healer and we finished the dungeon with nary a single problem. This isn't to say it's just been limited to there. I swear I've almost pulled out my own hair at Alexander quitters.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

What a petty, immature attitude.
Why would you forcibly try to keep someone around who you don't want to play with, and obviously they don't want to play with you?

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For the same reason I would, if your gonna be immature, so shall I and force you to take the penalty or do the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

What a petty, immature attitude.
Why would you forcibly try to keep someone around who you don't want to play with, and obviously they don't want to play with you?

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Because their time is not more important then the others who are asking to be kicked.
Got a Dark hold as low level roulette 2 weeks ago the healer demanded to be kicked and this is when they were stupid going far ahead from the tank and getting us killed. So no they can eat a 30 min penalty if they want out and they did because they left and our time was ruined because no new healer came and after 10 min we just left. So your comment on being petty it immature tell me who's really being immature oh ya and I qued as a DPS so it took forever to get in.

Honestly, I think you would see a lot less ragequitting if people who are new to a dungeon would take the two seconds to type "Hi, first time here" instead of saying nothing and then causing a wipe because they don't know the mechanics.

If you're new and say so, I'll be happy to explain bosses to you. If you just stay silent and wipe the entire party, I won't ragequit, but I will be grouchy for the rest of the run and will also be less inclined to help you out. You want courtesy, be courteous to others. You'd be surprised how many people are willing to help out if you just say that you need it.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

What a petty, immature attitude.
Why would you forcibly try to keep someone around who you don't want to play with, and obviously they don't want to play with you?

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Is not forcibly he can just leave and take te 30 min penalty.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Honestly, I think you would see a lot less ragequitting if people who are new to a dungeon would take the two seconds to type "Hi, first time here" instead of saying nothing and then causing a wipe because they don't know the mechanics.

If you're new and say so, I'll be happy to explain bosses to you. If you just stay silent and wipe the entire party, I won't ragequit, but I will be grouchy for the rest of the run and will also be less inclined to help you out. You want courtesy, be courteous to others. You'd be surprised how many people are willing to help out if you just say that you need it.

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It's not that simple. In doing many dungeons in Heavensward if the new player message popped up I'd say, "Hi, I'm new, anything I should know?" whether I was new or not, and more often than not noone would say a thing. Not one word. It's not just that new people in the dungeon aren't talking, it's that almost everyone is silent until something goes south. Then they find their voice in some of the worst ways.

It's my mindset. I'll stay because it doesn't stress me out, and I'll leave if it does. If there are players who constantly wipe the group, a tank who takes 2 mins in between all pulls, a healer who afks every 5mins, then I'll leave. If it isn't fun, I'll gladly eat the penalty. On the flip side, if the group is trying their hardest but failing from time to time, I'll stay.

There are 2 times I leave content:
1) The tank left and we were unable to get a new one within 15 minutes.
2) I join a crumbling party in progress, which is supposed to be 8 men, but only 3 are left, and every new person joining instantly quits.

Otherwise I either try my damndest to clear, and help the people struggling, or (if they are not showing any sign of progress) I initiate a vote kick.

I have NEVER eaten the 30 minute penalty for leaving first.

When I was raiding with my last character I tried until the time got to zero or 1/2 of the party quitted.