XP rewards from high level roulette.

This post is mainly directed towards the dev team but I'd appreciate community feedback too.

I feel like the xp reward from high level roulette needs boosting. While I understand that there will always be one best dungeon to spam per level for xp. It is nice to have the roulette rewards to break up the grind a bit and add some variety. With low level roulette you get a similar amount of xp to doing a full heavensward dungeon run with a little variation from dungeon to dungeon. With high level roulette we're missing the enemy and boss xp, plus getting a lower bonus due to being closer to the dungeon level. These factors make high level roulette vastly inferior to just running a normal heavensward dungeon. At the moment unless you're a new lv50 player trying to gear up pre-heavensward content, there's pretty much no real reason to ever go in to high level roulette, which is a shame because half of the ARR dungeon content is effectively going to waste.

I'm not saying that high level roulette xp should be outstripping a heavensward dungeon's xp, but I think it'd be a great idea if you could make the XP comparable to low level roulette that high level roulette's are worth doing again.

Thanks for reading, if you agree with this hit "like" so the staff have some idea how much support this idea has.

i can only agree with you.

I feel that one way to improve this is for the high level dungeons to give a small to modest amount of exp upon dungeon completion. Around 30-50k exp perhaps? While not huge, it would add up and give the high level roulette that boost it needs. Would also give more of an incentive for players to help newer players with their first time clears

Even though I wouldn't say no to a higher exp bonus (lol who would ^^), I still do high level roulette everyday because while mobs don't give exp, all the instances are heavily outgeared (even if synced down to i110) and are basically a 15 minute speedrun. It's true the 3.0 dungeons give more exp, but it usually takes a good bit longer to clear them, especially if you kill every mob.

I'd be happy enough, if they adjusted the level sync to iLevel 131 which is the max pre Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

I'd be happy enough, if they adjusted the level sync to iLevel 131 which is the max pre Heavensward.

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Sorry for being offtopic, but I'm curious. How did you get to i131 pre HW? I had several jobs at (non crafted) BiS with either zeta or dreadwyrm weapon before 3.0 hit, but non of them were i131, despite having i130 in all slots and an i135 weapon, which was the maximum you could reach before the expansion.

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Originally Posted by MrCookTM

Even though I wouldn't say no to a higher exp bonus (lol who would ^^), I still do high level roulette everyday because while mobs don't give exp, all the instances are heavily outgeared (even if synced down to i110) and are basically a 15 minute speedrun. It's true the 3.0 dungeons give more exp, but it usually takes a good bit longer to clear them, especially if you kill every mob.

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How much exp do you get from doing a high level roullette? I'm just curious because I considered doing it for my daily leveling routine but wasn't sure if it was worth it and never bothered to try it and see how much exp I would get.

I agree with you on this, I ran a AV with my friend on my 50 war and I got a level and 1/4 rested with food buffs. Compared to high lvl roulette AV was a way better option even my friend who was 50 got a lvl off it (a full lvl at that as we did a full clear).

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Originally Posted by Rocond

How much exp do you get from doing a high level roullette? I'm just curious because I considered doing it for my daily leveling routine but wasn't sure if it was worth it and never bothered to try it and see how much exp I would get.

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That depends on your level. The higher your job is, the higher Bonus. I can't check right now, but on my 57 blm I had around 250k+ yesterday I think?

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Originally Posted by MrCookTM

That depends on your level. The higher your job is, the higher Bonus. I can't check right now, but on my 57 blm I had around 250k+ yesterday I think?

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The bonuses scale with the difference between your current level and the dungeon's level, however the meaning of "level" is a bit nebulous because even though all the dungeons are all lv50 in high level roulette they give different xp per dungeon, I suspect the scaling may have something to do with the dungeon's item level, maybe? Regardless, the problem is that all the high level roulette dungeons still give less xp than low level roulette, when you factor in boss and enemy xp, and this only gets worse when you take free company actions, food buffs and rested xp in to account too.

From a non-selfish point of view, the point of low level roulette was to give higher level players a valid reason to revisit lower level content so that new players don't have horrendous queue times. The same now applies for many of the high level roulette dungeons where content required to progress in the story or unlock content, such as keeper of the lake, gives a worse reward than just running a heavensward dungeon, as a result queue times for new lv50 players who need a keeper of the lake clear are increased.

Making high level roulette worthwhile is in the best interests of high and low level players in my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by MrCookTM

Sorry for being offtopic, but I'm curious. How did you get to i131 pre HW? I had several jobs at (non crafted) BiS with either zeta or dreadwyrm weapon before 3.0 hit, but non of them were i131, despite having i130 in all slots and an i135 weapon, which was the maximum you could reach before the expansion.

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My highest character at the time was i128, the calculation I made was:
6 left side, i130 = 780
5 right side, i130 = 650
2 weapon, i135 = 270
1700 / 13 = 130.769...

After rounding, 131, was i130 max result?

I would rather do HLR than run "The Vault" one more time. Even if it ends up being 50% the xp, I didn't even mind 2.0 dungeons, actually liked them, but these HW dungeons are a draggggg

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Originally Posted by Sir_Hermes

I would rather do HLR than run "The Vault" one more time. Even if it ends up being 50% the xp, I didn't even mind 2.0 dungeons, actually liked them, but these HW dungeons are a draggggg

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Getting 50% of a heavensward dungeon's exp in HLR is pretty much a best case scenario. Before I stopped doing HLR altogether, I'd had dungeons give as little as 120k upon completion which is less than most trial roulette's, and considering the high number of new players in HLR, you can't go in expecting a speedrun to make up for the low exp.

Id just be happy if the HLR dungeons just gave experience from killing the monsters...

I really miss the high level dungeons, and I agree with Bman10119 in that it would be wonderful if they gave even a little bit of experience.

I have an alt character that I leveled to 50 right before HW, but now I can't do the HM roulette because no one is going through those dungeons so the queues are horrendous. It feels like such a waste having so much content rotting when there was a really cool variety of great dungeons that people frequented.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

My highest character at the time was i128, the calculation I made was:
6 left side, i130 = 780
5 right side, i130 = 650
2 weapon, i135 = 270
1700 / 13 = 130.769...

After rounding, 131, was i130 max result?

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Ah I see. Well, since the game rounds ilvl down rather than up, yes, the max result was i130. :)

High-lvl XP reward is scaled down because you can burn through the lvl50 dungeons so quickly compared to everything else in the game. It's worth running through if you can get a competent premade put together.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

High-lvl XP reward is scaled down because you can burn through the lvl50 dungeons so quickly compared to everything else in the game. It's worth running through if you can get a competent premade put together.

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Wouldn't you say it's a serious problem with the roulette if you need a fast pre-made party for it to be even remotely worth doing? And even with a premade, most of the dungeons give somewhere in the region of 130k (I did WP and Snowcloak and they gave 120k and 140k respectively), if a fast pre-made can blitz through it in say 10-15 mins, they can more than likely blitz through a heavensward dungeon in under 30 and gain more than three times the xp, plus loot.