Remove the party requirments on new primals!

I was late to the party for the first month on Heavensward and now fully geared up and trying to do Bismarck EX, but that's not possible anymore. Bismarck offers nothing to players and is way too hard of a dps check to bother with their gear and once people beat them, no one ever comes back. When ever I do get a party after 2-3 hours it fails cause one dps couldn't pull their weight.

I just want to DF them with other people that are looking, but as of right now, my server is dead when it comes to everything in the new expansion. It's terrible. Even Alex dies after Tuesday. Why am I forced to make a party of people I won't remember to be able to use the DF for a primal!? It's things like this that make me take 3 month long breaks from this game until new stuff comes out. I shouldn't have to wait for the new relic weapon for people to help me out.

I don't know if this post belongs in this forum. Didn't see one for primals.

To be honest chances are if its a pug party some people might not know what they're doing and chances are you will wipe more than once

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

To be honest chances are if its a pug party some people might not know what they're doing and chances are you will wipe more than once

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That's still better than sitting in town waiting for a hour and only trying 3 times before people leave. At least with DF people will get practice in and have more tries to learn the fight.

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Originally Posted by Abomination713

That's still better than sitting in town waiting for a hour and only trying 3 times before people leave. At least with DF people will get practice in and have more tries to learn the fight.

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Some people do do practice fights for those parties, I'm not sure if they do on your server, but if some people did know what they're doing and they wiped multiple times chances are the more experienced players that knew what they're doing would leave

I'm kind of surprised they haven't added them to DF yet as well, actually. I think its about time.

This is how it will go 99% of the time.

BisEx: Queue for DF, unable to take out the carapace in one go. People jump off and leave on first if not second attempt.
RavEx: Queue DF, Not enough dps to break warlord shell, everyone dies and leave on first if not second attempt.

Without overgearing and or echo, it is not time for duty finder practice because you will not make it to the point where it can be considered anything other than ritual suicide. The dps checks and mechanics checks are too tight especially with the groups of people who insist that watching a video kills their immersion so they will have no clue as to the 100 things that could kill them.

imo both fights are not needed anymore. get your free ezmode i200 weapon which beats the rav weapon. bis ex was useless day one because of yoschi screwing up his rewards from the get go. to late to fix that now. if bis weapons had been i185 and rav i190 or i195 people would have done bismarck more maybe. but they are useless the second you reach 60 and get your free i180 weapon which doesnt require skill or much work. and now you can get i200 weapon. the primals dont drop anything outside of thier weapons.
why bother at this point?

they will both be added to df when 3.1 hits and not any sooner.

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Originally Posted by Windklinge

imo both fights are not needed anymore. get your free ezmode i200 weapon which beats the rav weapon. bis ex was useless day one because of yoschi screwing up his rewards from the get go. to late to fix that now. if bis weapons had been i185 and rav i190 or i195 people would have done bismarck more maybe. but they are useless the second you reach 60 and get your free i180 weapon which doesnt require skill or much work. and now you can get i200 weapon. the primals dont drop anything outside of thier weapons.
why bother at this point?

they will both be added to df when 3.1 hits and not any sooner.

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I agree with this. I would like to add that if you want more players to queue for these primal fights, then they will have to either add upgrades to the current rewards, add them as a requirement for the new Relic Weapon in 3.1, or they will need to add a new mount reward just like the ponys in the older primal fights.

I agree with you. Bimarck's design and introduction was horrible. I love to farm for weapons and I got none for Bismarck because once my static beat it to get to Ravana, they do not look back. I really hate how SE introduced Bismarck, it's too tough and no one wants to do it because it gives you nothing worthwhile. There is no incentive. Unless like previous people metioned either:
1. Introduce a primal upgrade item
2. Introduce a zodiac drop item or zodiac lights that can only be farmed with new primals
3. new flying mounts

Until then, Im here wondering if paying some other static to help me farm would be a good idea...

Back when titan hm was the thing I had this issue. I posted on my world forums asking if anyone would help. I specified I did not want a carry and just wanted an experienced group to help me out. The positive responses from my world community were amazing and I'm still friends with one of them to this day. I also formed a linkshell from people who responded to my post, and met through party finder, who were willing to learn the fight with me. I didn't necessarily take the best or experienced players. I accepted anyone who was committed to learning.

If you were on Gilgamesh I'd help out. Good luck!

For all the failures and bad atmosphere DF runs tends to have... y'know, at least it would provide an opportunity to actually see the fight and get some practice. Never understood this "for parties only" mentality tbh; sure, there is a Party Finder, but what good does it do when statics beat the content, and then people from there get out "in the wild" and put up listings for farming only (or occasionally a clear to help some friend out), expecting everyone to know all the fight?? People who tend to exist in groups anyway will tackle content in their groups, without it being forced onto them. Everyone else is just being punished by such restrictions.

People will be back when SE adds a Cloud Pony and a Bug Pony.

I'd prefer if they removed the full party limit tbh and simply went with the old ilvl requirement. The demand to use the PF has made these instances less popular without really having a substantial impact on success rates.

As much as party leaders try to police their own players for requirements, there just hasn't been enough activity to solidify the etiquette of what people should have or know before entering. For all intents and purposes, PF is still just as "pug" as ever. People that have mindlessly coasted their way to 60 will stop around this point, but it's not so hard that a competent player can't gel with competent strangers.

A ball was dropped with Bismarck Extreme. It needs to be easily doable in fresh 60 gear other wise the weapon is a waste of inventory space. Not only because they are weaker than the i180 Law weapons, but they are plain terrible looking glamour wise, except the Greatsword is decent. Additionally you should be able to spend 5 Bismarck totems on an item to upgrade the Bis weapons to i185.

SE should give some nice loot to farm there, so we can do it. I like bismark, but i cant finish extreme yet, because of dps check. it takes hours to get into the queue.. and since im playing on quite unpopular server, its even worse.

Another thing is that there is literally no difference whether you allow PF or DF. Because players that have never tried it will enter team in PF and it will be the same as if it was DF, except before they will hear a rant of "watch guide know strat" etc etc. It's all just a waste of time..