Remove the party requirments on new primals!

[Abomination713]

I was late to the party for the first month on Heavensward and now fully geared up and trying to do Bismarck EX, but that's not possible anymore. Bismarck offers nothing to players and is way too hard of a dps check to bother with their gear and once people beat them, no one ever comes back. When ever I do get a party after 2-3 hours it fails cause one dps couldn't pull their weight.

I just want to DF them with other people that are looking, but as of right now, my server is dead when it comes to everything in the new expansion. It's terrible. Even Alex dies after Tuesday. Why am I forced to make a party of people I won't remember to be able to use the DF for a primal!? It's things like this that make me take 3 month long breaks from this game until new stuff comes out. I shouldn't have to wait for the new relic weapon for people to help me out.

I don't know if this post belongs in this forum. Didn't see one for primals.

[WingsOfAzrael]

To be honest chances are if its a pug party some people might not know what they're doing and chances are you will wipe more than once

[Abomination713]

To be honest chances are if its a pug party some people might not know what they're doing and chances are you will wipe more than once

That's still better than sitting in town waiting for a hour and only trying 3 times before people leave. At least with DF people will get practice in and have more tries to learn the fight.

[WingsOfAzrael]

That's still better than sitting in town waiting for a hour and only trying 3 times before people leave. At least with DF people will get practice in and have more tries to learn the fight.

Some people do do practice fights for those parties, I'm not sure if they do on your server, but if some people did know what they're doing and they wiped multiple times chances are the more experienced players that knew what they're doing would leave

[m3eansean]

I'm kind of surprised they haven't added them to DF yet as well, actually. I think its about time.

[Edewen]

This is how it will go 99% of the time.

BisEx: Queue for DF, unable to take out the carapace in one go. People jump off and leave on first if not second attempt.
RavEx: Queue DF, Not enough dps to break warlord shell, everyone dies and leave on first if not second attempt.

Without overgearing and or echo, it is not time for duty finder practice because you will not make it to the point where it can be considered anything other than ritual suicide. The dps checks and mechanics checks are too tight especially with the groups of people who insist that watching a video kills their immersion so they will have no clue as to the 100 things that could kill them.

[Windklinge]

imo both fights are not needed anymore. get your free ezmode i200 weapon which beats the rav weapon. bis ex was useless day one because of yoschi screwing up his rewards from the get go. to late to fix that now. if bis weapons had been i185 and rav i190 or i195 people would have done bismarck more maybe. but they are useless the second you reach 60 and get your free i180 weapon which doesnt require skill or much work. and now you can get i200 weapon. the primals dont drop anything outside of thier weapons.
why bother at this point?

they will both be added to df when 3.1 hits and not any sooner.

[CoolMithra]

imo both fights are not needed anymore. get your free ezmode i200 weapon which beats the rav weapon. bis ex was useless day one because of yoschi screwing up his rewards from the get go. to late to fix that now. if bis weapons had been i185 and rav i190 or i195 people would have done bismarck more maybe. but they are useless the second you reach 60 and get your free i180 weapon which doesnt require skill or much work. and now you can get i200 weapon. the primals dont drop anything outside of thier weapons.
why bother at this point?

they will both be added to df when 3.1 hits and not any sooner.

I agree with this. I would like to add that if you want more players to queue for these primal fights, then they will have to either add upgrades to the current rewards, add them as a requirement for the new Relic Weapon in 3.1, or they will need to add a new mount reward just like the ponys in the older primal fights.

[Myron]

I agree with you. Bimarck's design and introduction was horrible. I love to farm for weapons and I got none for Bismarck because once my static beat it to get to Ravana, they do not look back. I really hate how SE introduced Bismarck, it's too tough and no one wants to do it because it gives you nothing worthwhile. There is no incentive. Unless like previous people metioned either:
1. Introduce a primal upgrade item
2. Introduce a zodiac drop item or zodiac lights that can only be farmed with new primals
3. new flying mounts

Until then, Im here wondering if paying some other static to help me farm would be a good idea...

[PetiteMalFleur]

Back when titan hm was the thing I had this issue. I posted on my world forums asking if anyone would help. I specified I did not want a carry and just wanted an experienced group to help me out. The positive responses from my world community were amazing and I'm still friends with one of them to this day. I also formed a linkshell from people who responded to my post, and met through party finder, who were willing to learn the fight with me. I didn't necessarily take the best or experienced players. I accepted anyone who was committed to learning.

If you were on Gilgamesh I'd help out. Good luck!