I was hoping the fix for red scripts would have an effect on my game. It has'nt done anything. My Red Scripts are still as low as anything on my culinarian. Yet they require just as much work as anything else.
This is game is no longer worth it, The crafting added alot of vitality to the weekly grind of the game, Now that it's gone, I'm doing a weeks worth of grinding in hours...
Your fix for Red Scripts did nothing for me.
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08-04-2015, 07:46 PMLongsunZhaoYour fix for Red Scripts did nothing for me.
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08-04-2015, 07:52 PMAeyis
Well it did something for me. It gave me the opportunity to extend towards other, actually decent games. Thanks.
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08-04-2015, 07:55 PMPotatoTree
I feel like it's ok now. I only have to do 12 crafts to cap, which isn't too bad.
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08-04-2015, 07:56 PMMature
Well you can't pleased everyone. Bsm and gsm are giving 45 to 55 per turn. In. This is indeed a massive nerf.
Maybe wait a few hours and see how much your next turn in gives you? -
08-04-2015, 08:06 PMOssom
The problem was never the scrip turn in. It was literally, and I mean the denotation of literally, every single other aspect of crafting and gathering after you do the red scrips.
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08-04-2015, 09:38 PMscarebearzAgreed. SE once again ignore the actual problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ossom
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08-04-2015, 10:59 PMApplesnapDon't agree at all. When you are faced with having to farm: (150 okeanis tails, 33 Abalathian rock salt) or (198 amphiptere skins, 330 aurum regis sand, 165 adamantite ore) or, indeed, be able to craft lv56+ mats from THREE other DoHs for your turn-in just to meet the weekly quota --> something is seriously wrong. How you can say it was never a problem astounds me. If you don't throw gil at the market board and actually put in the work to gather materials, then it's a huge amount of effort for very little return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ossom
I'm sure the advice will be, "Wait until it resets and pick a different item" but they are all pretty similar in terns of material requirements. Some even demand you farm and spend blue scrips on materials. It was and is a horrible system with no real point other than to force us all down a path of needlessly punitive "progression". -
08-04-2015, 11:07 PMLorglath
I've got other things than crafting to keep me interested for now, but yes this will be another week of me not touching red scrips. Square has gone from a boom, bust economy around patches for end game crafting to just a bust.
It's becoming more evident that they don't care or understand crafting and gathering. -
08-04-2015, 11:41 PMMoonfall
http://i.imgur.com/jReJdWq.jpg
yup SE fix is soo guuud.. i dont even know how lvl 59 food can give less blue scripts then 56-57.. dafaq is this? -
08-04-2015, 11:54 PMAyerinnBecause it clearly is based on the materials needed to make the item, both the level of the ingredient and the number used in the recipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonfall
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08-04-2015, 11:58 PMAyerinnIt is based on the ingredients and difficulty - first of all, almost all if not ALL of the cooking red scrip items are normal items...where as ALL or almost all of the other jobs have to craft MASTER ONE STAR ITEMS. Those items often contain many, many more expensive crafted bits than the cooking recipes (from other jobs I might add, cooking makes almost all of there own stuff with no reliance on other job crafts) - seems more balanced to me - cooking was right with the amount of scrips and the other jobs were way, way less than they should have been for the base items involved to craft them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mature
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08-05-2015, 12:55 AMLexia
Did they actually change anything other just just increased the weekly cap limit and amount of scrips get or did I read it wrong.
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08-05-2015, 01:00 AMRanzan
They change the amount of scrips you get per turn(the least of the laundry list of problems with this system)
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08-05-2015, 01:04 AMGrywoToskThe weekly cap remains the same (450 Red Scrips). Most crafted turn-ins, excluding CUL, now provide significantly more scrips per-item, as do all Gathering turn-ins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
The fix was aimed more for casual players or single-crafters that previously had to spend a over a million gil of mats (crafters without CUL, CRP) or a dozen hours (single-class gathering). -
08-05-2015, 04:25 AMkenventa
Gave up on crafting this patch and probably gathering as well since the supply ooids slowly building up in MB with only a few bought per day.
Welcomed the fix but its really is not required and is wasn't enough. -
08-05-2015, 05:37 AMKatchoo
Now if only they added something worth crafting ...
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08-05-2015, 07:31 AMRathQuote:
Originally Posted by Ossom
If you go back and read the thread they responded to, about red scrips not being casual, cost was a big thing. This change helps with that quite a bit. This was an actual problem, even if it did not apply to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarebearz
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08-05-2015, 07:55 AMscarebearzIt is now a bit easier for casual crafter/gatherer's to gear up, but for what? They won't able able to afford 2* mats anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rath
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08-05-2015, 08:25 AMRathWhen a miner finishes getting his scrip gear...what is he going to do? Mine favors so he doesn't waste his scrips. A crafter gearing with red scrips will also be ready to craft whenever they decide to add new content. They get to do this bit by bit each week without feeling like they need to rush or miss out. There is nothing to miss out on currently, so they get to take their time.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarebearz
This lack of an immediate goal may suck for people that are usually at the top of crafting, but that group is the actual minority. -
08-05-2015, 08:46 AMRanzanthis is the reason why they need to get rid of or find another use for favors item! There is NO reason a crafter should have to wait on gatherers to gear up in ordere to do their gear progression. Thats like having it set up here a healers cant start gearing till the tanks are finished gearing themselves. SE just do us a favor and remove favors from the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rath
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08-05-2015, 08:54 AMLongsunZhao
I have lost about 900 red scripts since this started and I still cannot obtain them.
Starting to think HW was the worst thing to happen to this game. -
08-05-2015, 08:55 AMRoth_Trailfinder
This is why the Favors should have been on the BLUE scrips, not the red ones.
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08-05-2015, 02:04 PMLerissaCastle
yaayyy I need less mats to cap. -insert sarcasm-
Seriously, the issue isn't how long it takes to cap. People were saying it took them only 30min to cap on red scrips BEFORE this "fix." Yeah, okay, forcing people to be omnicrafters is ridiculous (SE's excuse for a lack of endgame content would be 'level another class,' even crafting). I don't like that. It makes zero sense to hardcore wall off all the gear and even crafted gear which is perhaps not even that great to be honest (..at least for my SCH it sucks..). I have zero motivation to try endgame crafting or red scrips. The only thing I like about it is how pretty some of the crafter gear is. But even that's BS... if they would tell us to level another class give us more inventory space if you're seriously gonna give each DoH/DoW/DoM/DoL its own individual effing gearset.
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08-05-2015, 03:40 PMkenventaGetting all i180 on a miner would take 9 weeks. Tokens earned on 10th and 11th week would probably be saved to gather favor for OH, Belt and Accessories to save gil instead of buying crafted gears directly from MB. And to hire a crafter, that miner has to earn a good amount of gil to compensate on the service and the redscrip of crafting. And assuming, we all be casual without a need to rush anything, by 10th and 11th week, these 'casual' crafters will save the redscrip for themselves for i170 gears. So with the theory of yours, it would probably take 14 to 15th week to have a good amount of ooids and trade flowing in MB EXCEPT by then 3.1 is coming or is patched and the end-gears would probably be more obsolete that it is on 3.0. YES! Lets all be casuals and not whine because that would be the BEST!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rath
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08-05-2015, 04:19 PMOssom
I highly doubt you will need to have a full set of the iLv170/180 gear to be able to handle any new crafts/nodes or w/e they plan to release in 3.1, actually I highly suspect 3.1 won't be much more than a Glamour/New Food Patch.
I think it will Introduce 2 Star Culinary Crafts and new Glamours along with increase the Red Scrip Cap and possibly the Favor Drop Rate and/or lower the Tokens necessary to get the 180 gear. -
08-05-2015, 06:56 PMMature
Well yesterday after missing a week of doing red crafting scrips i managed to cap in no time with a decent item.
It came up with birch composite bow and it gave me 45 per hq turn in. So instead of making 24 of them I only did 10 so it saved me a lot of money and time.
Thank you for the buff SE! it does help 0/ -
08-05-2015, 07:23 PMYumi_umi
Wat crafts could se possibly make by 3.1 that will require 800+ craft/ 750+ control and 450 cp. More crafting gear? So what would we craft. Raiding gear for alex savage? Loooool nah
Its just gonna be glamours, furniture etc cuz honestly if they replaced the 2* MH/ OH tht fast ppl r gonna be like nope i give up this is ridiculous. -
08-05-2015, 07:35 PMMature
The expansion just came out so I'm pretty sure we just getting prepared for the next big crafting gear to come that will need a he'll load of craft control and cp.
Give it time that's all I'll probably say for now. I'm lvl all to 60 getting all my masters sorted for October. -
08-05-2015, 09:01 PMKatchooBeen thinking this since the first week of HW.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongsunZhao
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08-06-2015, 03:49 AMKabooaLet's look at previous patches for the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
2.0: Erething new and fun, first raid, dungeons.
2.1: Raid is being cleared by decent number of people. New 'hard' mode dungeons. 'Catch up' raid (CT). New recipes
2.2: Next raid, new dungeons, previous token tier unlocked, New primals. New recipes.
2.3: Next catch-up raid, new dungeons, new primals, new recipes.
2.4: Next raid, new dungeons, previous token tier unlocked, New primals. New recipes
2.5: next catch-up raid, new dungeons, new 'primal'. New recipes
2.1 was largely a 'catch-up' patch for SE as well as they were still hammering out things they had planned for 2.0. Given that Heavensward was all their current work we can assume their own 'catch-up' isn't a factor (or at least hope.)
This means in 3.1 we can expect, at the bare minimum: New dungeons, new primal, new recipes. Alexander Normal is basically the 'catch up' tier so if we get another source of not-quite-end-game gear, I'd be surprised. The crafting/gathering section of the game was meant as an optional boon but I really doubt it's going to see so much neglect after the gating mechanisms they put in place.
This is the primary difference between those enjoying the system, those tolerating the system, and those claiming they're going to quit over it. It's a matter of who is looking forward to what's coming, who is curious, and who is dreading. They have added in a multitude of new systems they can tweak. "What can they possibly add" is answered with "What won't they?" -
08-06-2015, 04:15 AMandreopalominoYeah... The only reason to get better crafting gear is to be able to craft even better crafting gear... DoW/DoM stuff is so not worth crafting now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Katchoo
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08-06-2015, 04:44 AMblueruckusI agree, but I have to believe that this is future proofing us for something. Wouldn't be too surprised if new relic has some crafting tied to it like Zodiac did.Quote:
Originally Posted by andreopalomino
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08-06-2015, 04:51 AMandreopalominoMaybe. But I think there's a lot of pointless grinding, like hours and hours of gathering for 3 minutes of crafting. All this grinding is terrible, and they're making it even worse by making it useless atm... my opinion is that all this effort can't be just for the sake of doing it or based on the hope that maybe we will use it...Quote:
Originally Posted by blueruckus
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08-06-2015, 04:58 AMYumi_umi
Se made it clear they wont be making the same mistake of involving crafting gear with raiding lol. Even if they added i180 or i200 accessories in 3.1, why would ppl buy them? Ppl would be decked out in eso gear and ppl who would buy it would have already cleared alex savage.
Crafted gear? I doubt by then ppl would have more than 2 full sets of the new 2* gear so y would they replace something that fast ( its gated lmao ).
Se kinda screwed themselves on the flow of crafting as its becoming more inaccessible to casuals. -
08-06-2015, 05:20 AMandreopalomino
DoW/DoM gear could sell if the ilvl difference was not abysmal from ESO gear and mats were not so ridiculous to get; especially for those that are hardcore raiders since ilvl is not all that matters. For reference, the day Lucrezia downed A1 Savage, I checked on Lodestone and some players had crafted accessories with overmelding. I agree that a lot of people won't buy it, but some will, I sold a lot of ilvl110 gear before HW. They could have added more glamour pieces or whatever, but there's no recipes worth so much grinding, that's the point.
They made crafting inaccessible and pointless. You spend gil on mats to craft collectables, to get scrips, to change for tokens, to change for gear, to be able to craft exactly same looking gear with better stats, that is worth nothing cause the most difficulty recipes is the gear itself. -
08-06-2015, 05:27 AMLemuel81People would buy the crafted gear for the same reason people did prior to 3.0. Alot of the crafted gear was BiS if melded correctly. People look at ilvl and say "thats the best!" but when you really look at something like stat weights, things change. Same reason why alot of people who already had the hive weapon did not go with the eso weapon first, because when you get into theorycrafting and stat weights and how they effect your dps, things can be looked at different." Great example was the poetic chest for bards- people were gimping their dps by even having it- the ilvl 110 was better. my 2 centsQuote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
But yea they did not fix crafting with the current changes SE really needs to wake up and realize the whole system of favors, scrips and how we are completly gated by it is NOT fun but tedious and just needs a complete overhaul. The idea behind it was great IMO but the execution and final design of it completly sucks.