What generates enmity?

I know already that HP regen effects will draw hate to you, but what other actions put you on the enmity list?

I ask because I'm worried about messing around with cards and applying buffs pre-pull.
I actually got yelled at in a Praetorium run because Stoneskin II went off just as the tank pulled Ultima (1st fight). I wasn't aware that Stoneskin generated hate.

A good tank won't care.

To me it looks like they are nit picking. As long as you aren't precasting Divine Seal'd medica 2 you should be fine beforehand.

Oh and I will add, a good tank also will wait when the healer needs: stoneskin, protect, MP.

Buffs pull enmity but only a little bit. Heals pull enmity. Damage pulls enmity.

Also if your tank is pulling while you're channeling Stoneskin they're dumb. There's a pinging noise and a giant line that goes from the healer to the tank that alerts them that they're being targeted by the healer.

If your tank is pulling in a raid before a healer casts protect and stoneskin they are extra dumb.

All actions in this game generate enmity, but to what degree varies. Buffs like Stoneskin, Eye for an Eye, and Protect would generate 1 enmity point on an engaged mob. If a tank can't reestablish enmity from a "buff" then they are probably the worst tank in the game. The same applies to debuffs like Virus and Foe's Requiem. They only add 1 point of enmity to the list so it's not THAT huge of a deal (again, unless your tank is horribad). Regardless of how good they are, if a tank can't wait 3 seconds for buffs and pulls while they are being casted, he is a shitty tank.

Heals and attacks generate a lot more enmity based on how much of an effect they have (amount done).

Yeah, but I lost account of how many times in the past I've cast E4aE on the tank just before he pulled, making all the mobs chase me and making the tank have the trouble to reposition them. It's not that it's difficult to the tank, but it's an annoyance.
Now I cast protect/ss outside of combat, but I only use regen/E4aE/cards mid-battle, since I like to optimize their effects.

HoT, crit HoT, DoT, crit DoT, heal potency, and crit heal potency.

http://puu.sh/joARx.png

In a nutshell, always wait for the tank to tag every single enemy target.

Please dont cast regen on tank prior or during a pull. You're the stupid one if you do.

mp-please had a good chart for you, but its worth noting that AoE heals generate aggro per person healed for every person that has aggro on the enemies (basically meaning AoEs generate a lot of hate).

As for Stoneskin and your cards, they basically generate 1 point of enmity, meaning anything anyone does will pull hate off of you--but positioning of the enemies is the tanks job and if you pull the mobs before he can tag them with a Flash, Overpower, or whatever, then it can get messy. Use your cards BEFORE the pull or AFTER the tank has aggro, not while he's first running in. Also worth noting is that people think regens build a lot of aggro but that's not really true.. they're only an issue in the aforementioned situation where the regen is ticking as the tank tries to pull

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Originally Posted by Twilite

Please dont cast regen on tank prior or during a pull. You're the stupid one if you do.

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Had in i90 a WHM always casting Medica II when I was pulling Twinny and her buds on solotank... It is doable but yes I warned him said do this one more time (after 3rd pull he did so) and I rq... He waited 0,5s longer that next pull -_-

Newbie healers haven't progressed far enough to know this yet and probably haven't been told. That's a little harsh to call OP out for being stupid.

Besides, I have been a suspect in pulling initial hate several times while trying to prebuff adlo when the tank seems to ignore it and rush in for the pull.

It'll happen from time to time that you'll be doing something just as the tank pulls. It happens. Just don't keep a regen up.

You can fuss about with cards, heals, and buffs, on targets not engaged in combat, and none of the monsters will notice. It's only when you initiate a pull or interact with someone already in combat that monsters will register your actions (edit: exception -- bosses automatically put everyone in combat). So you can usually draw cards safely provided you haven't healed anyone yet.

Random aside: if you're low on MP, you can just idle outside of combat for a bit. You regen MP much faster out of combat, and aren't technically in combat until you get yourself involved. It may look like you're being lazy, but it's effective!

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Originally Posted by GeekMatt

mp-please had a good chart for you, but its worth noting that AoE heals generate aggro per person healed for every person that has aggro on the enemies (basically meaning AoEs generate a lot of hate).

As for Stoneskin and your cards, they basically generate 1 point of enmity, meaning anything anyone does will pull hate off of you--but positioning of the enemies is the tanks job and if you pull the mobs before he can tag them with a Flash, Overpower, or whatever, then it can get messy. Use your cards BEFORE the pull or AFTER the tank has aggro, not while he's first running in. Also worth noting is that people think regens build a lot of aggro but that's not really true.. they're only an issue in the aforementioned situation where the regen is ticking as the tank tries to pull

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In addition to this, having a Summoner, Scholar and/or Machinist in your group adds an additional person as turrets and pets get hit by AoE heals as well :)