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    Ninster's Avatar
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    Ninster Barlow
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    Goblin
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    Arcanist Lv 90

    What generates enmity?

    I know already that HP regen effects will draw hate to you, but what other actions put you on the enmity list?

    I ask because I'm worried about messing around with cards and applying buffs pre-pull.
    I actually got yelled at in a Praetorium run because Stoneskin II went off just as the tank pulled Ultima (1st fight). I wasn't aware that Stoneskin generated hate.
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    Cole Evyx
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    Scholar Lv 90
    A good tank won't care.

    To me it looks like they are nit picking. As long as you aren't precasting Divine Seal'd medica 2 you should be fine beforehand.

    Oh and I will add, a good tank also will wait when the healer needs: stoneskin, protect, MP.
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    Peach Parfait
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    Gilgamesh
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    Weaver Lv 70
    Buffs pull enmity but only a little bit. Heals pull enmity. Damage pulls enmity.

    Also if your tank is pulling while you're channeling Stoneskin they're dumb. There's a pinging noise and a giant line that goes from the healer to the tank that alerts them that they're being targeted by the healer.

    If your tank is pulling in a raid before a healer casts protect and stoneskin they are extra dumb.
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    Peach Parfait/Khulan Angura on Gilgamesh

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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    All actions in this game generate enmity, but to what degree varies. Buffs like Stoneskin, Eye for an Eye, and Protect would generate 1 enmity point on an engaged mob. If a tank can't reestablish enmity from a "buff" then they are probably the worst tank in the game. The same applies to debuffs like Virus and Foe's Requiem. They only add 1 point of enmity to the list so it's not THAT huge of a deal (again, unless your tank is horribad). Regardless of how good they are, if a tank can't wait 3 seconds for buffs and pulls while they are being casted, he is a shitty tank.

    Heals and attacks generate a lot more enmity based on how much of an effect they have (amount done).
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    Roxas Andrade
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    Famfrit
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Yeah, but I lost account of how many times in the past I've cast E4aE on the tank just before he pulled, making all the mobs chase me and making the tank have the trouble to reposition them. It's not that it's difficult to the tank, but it's an annoyance.
    Now I cast protect/ss outside of combat, but I only use regen/E4aE/cards mid-battle, since I like to optimize their effects.
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Asura
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    HoT, crit HoT, DoT, crit DoT, heal potency, and crit heal potency.
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    Danielle Leclair
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    White Mage Lv 60


    In a nutshell, always wait for the tank to tag every single enemy target.
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    Miranda Madison
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    Please dont cast regen on tank prior or during a pull. You're the stupid one if you do.
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    Stormageddon Oath
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    Brynhildr
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    mp-please had a good chart for you, but its worth noting that AoE heals generate aggro per person healed for every person that has aggro on the enemies (basically meaning AoEs generate a lot of hate).

    As for Stoneskin and your cards, they basically generate 1 point of enmity, meaning anything anyone does will pull hate off of you--but positioning of the enemies is the tanks job and if you pull the mobs before he can tag them with a Flash, Overpower, or whatever, then it can get messy. Use your cards BEFORE the pull or AFTER the tank has aggro, not while he's first running in. Also worth noting is that people think regens build a lot of aggro but that's not really true.. they're only an issue in the aforementioned situation where the regen is ticking as the tank tries to pull
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    Nazreen Eby
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    Please dont cast regen on tank prior or during a pull. You're the stupid one if you do.
    Had in i90 a WHM always casting Medica II when I was pulling Twinny and her buds on solotank... It is doable but yes I warned him said do this one more time (after 3rd pull he did so) and I rq... He waited 0,5s longer that next pull -_-
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