There's a lot to be desired for PvP, don't get me wrong. This thread is intended for what you **wouldn't** want changed about PvP. What is Squeenix doing right in this scenario?
++++ Giving 20 top-tier tomes for EVERY L60 Frontlines, even without daily bonus. This is a massive help to catch up. THANK YOU!!!
+ Keeping additional stat bonuses out of Frontlines. Skill in understanding your job should be the forefront of PvP, not stat advantages.
+ Keeping the ilvl low. It keeps one-on-one fights fair.
+ Marking players on a rampage. It helps identify what parties are organized.
+ Seeing where the opponents are within range, especially in multi-platform areas where the camera has trouble looking up.
Post what you think they're doing right and upvote what you like.
What Squeenix is Doing Right with PvP
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08-02-2015, 08:39 PMVeritas-AncoraWhat Squeenix is Doing Right with PvP
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08-03-2015, 12:14 AMCeveArthu
Tomes from pvp is not something they are doing right with pvp, it has absolutely nothing to do with pvp
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08-03-2015, 12:19 AMTilaIt's incentive to play. Gets people who may not have tried it, to try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeveArthu
The problem is that more incentive it needed. -
08-03-2015, 12:22 AMTurinWe don't need more incentive. We need more accessibility. People will play PVP if they can play PVP. The problem is, I want to be part of this PVP playerbase in PVP. But my current queue is at 55 minutes. I've been subbed since launch and I rarely PVP except when new modes are released because of the flawed queuing system. Consequently, it takes me (and many others) out of the PVP population which makes queues even worse. It's self-imploding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tila
PVP is fun when you can play PVP. That is what causes PVP to flourish. But sitting in queues for 30+ minutes is not fun.
As for what they did right, the whole system outside the queues is pretty good. In theory, it would be awesome if queues and accessibility didn't mess it up for everyone. -
08-03-2015, 12:36 AMTilaGive more people incentive, then more people will play, and que times will better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turin
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08-03-2015, 12:43 AMTurinNo amount of incentive will overcome the queue issues. There are core, fundamental issues with the queuing system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tila
#1) Having factional based PVP, the factions are always at the mercy of the least queuing faction.
#2) All objective-based PVP modes are large scale requiring 24 on each side. In order to downgrade to a 8 person per side match, certain criteria must be met over time. This means that in order for smaller matches to pop, queues must be long to begin with.
#3) Even if smaller matches pop, it does nothing to alleviate #1.
#4) There is a possibility that rank matching occurs for Frontlines which inflates the queue. There's been several reports of two people queuing at the same time with the same criteria (except a 20 rank difference) and having very different queue experiences. -
08-03-2015, 12:46 AMYumi_umi
But kinda would rather have a smaller pvp match with ACTUAL pvpers vs a random 72 man with PvErs that r here for esto tomes.
But nope SE likes to do add more incentatives for ppl who play bad as they give u a nice losing bonus. -
08-03-2015, 12:54 AMNalienIf they dropped the Law/Esoterics from Seize, I'd end up doing it a whole lot less.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeveArthu
Right now I cap Esoterics on Tuesday/Wednesday, and I'm getting Law gear in advance of actually leveling the Jobs. Solely off Seize.
Drop those rewards? Tuesday/Wednesday and/or Monday get dedicated to capping Esoterics and I end up actually doing the Expert Roulette, all rather than doing Seize. Get a new Lv60 Job? Time to actively farm Law, again, all rather than doing Seize.
Letting people just do PvP, rather than having to pick between PvE and PvP is absolutely something they're doing right.
Look forward to that eventual Wolves' Den revival, I guess. I know I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
From the very beginning, Frontlines was sold as a casual PvP event, with a mind to get non-PvPers into PvP. That is what it has always been, that is what it is, that is what it always will be. -
08-03-2015, 01:11 AMStupiduglytaru
The times are a great thing to have, it means I can focus more on pvp than having to run expert roulette etc. The week that seize was added I made enough tomes to i180 my recently leveled pld.
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08-03-2015, 01:11 AMTurinThe problem is, arena-based PVP isn't for everyone. I like small objective-based PVP like CTF. Right now, that is completely missing from PVP in FFXIV. Wolves' Den is fun and I have over 400 matches in there, but not as fun as something objective based, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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08-03-2015, 07:42 AMkisada
here's my list:
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08-03-2015, 08:25 AMdaiquentynhttp://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57394373.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora
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08-03-2015, 11:04 AMDomiraIts a incentive that gets the wrong people to play. There is nothing worse than players who queue up to tome farm and don't give a damn about trying to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tila
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08-03-2015, 11:20 AMVeritas-AncoraExactly. Because when you discourage players from trying new things without giving them incentive, they won't try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tila
The interest in PvP is abysmal and severely lacking. If you really think PvP interest is all that great for hardcore PvPers, try getting into a Wolves' Den queue and tell me how long it takes for a 4-man. -
08-03-2015, 11:26 AMDomiraIts like this in all games. Many pvers don't like pvp. You can add on some pve type rewards to get them interested, but it gets them interested for the wrong reasons. Most people who queue up don't really care about winning or strategy. They just want their easy tome farm. Ultimately that isn't good for players who actually enjoy pvp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora
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08-03-2015, 11:32 AMSlibTomes promote people who want a lazy way of getting PvE gear, which isn't healthy PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora
Keeping the Ilvl low can go both ways...one way is it makes pvp rewards useless (other than glamour) and the other way it is good for keeping gear balance which might frustrate new players...
Also what is wrong with PvP is the fact that it's 3 teams vsing eachother. I'd rather have 1 team vs 1 team :-/
Other stuff I can agree with tho. -
08-03-2015, 01:48 PMjustinjarjar
The fact that you cannot que as a 72 premade already makes frontlines pretty casual (and most zergstyle pvp, only GW2 made it possible to make zerg style have more pvp player appeal). As people have said making some easy to access party 8v8and/or(v8) objective based pvp would be nice to have an alternative to the arena that is wolfs den. Overall before anything is added the que times.... ja those need to be fixed somehow, anyhow.
Would be nice if they added the ability to make alliances so you could have alliance v alliance pvp too.
Overall the system they have in place can work and while yes pvers show up for eso in frontlines, it helps with ques (somewhat) currently. Just those que times. -
08-03-2015, 03:06 PMSpawniei agree wolves den is boring i had 7 fights there for 5 wins n stopped i love all the frontline modes just the queues frustrate me at times lol imo they should wait til 72 people 2gther then randomly assign them to different factions instead of GC vs GC vs GC but nothin other than gc factions will ever happen ,_,Quote:
Originally Posted by Turin
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08-05-2015, 12:23 PMaerialrave
I only liked 2 changes so far, regarding Seize specifically.
One thing they did right was design narrow corridors in the map, making for excellent use of BRD/MCH Limit Breaks. As I am playing Machinist this is a big plus for me.
The other thing which is kinda nice is the idea of keeping cliffs but not making them fatal. The center in Borderlands was a death trap and unbalanced for the classes with frequent Knockbacks. Honestly I wish the cliffs were slightly higher up so that they would do even more damage. But the idea of making them not fatal at all, is a good change in my opinion. The fall should be enough to cripple you and force you to retreat and heal up. But right now it seems only to act as a nuisance in that you have to run back around and find a ramp. Oh well, I prefer it this way over outright instant death like we had before, at least. -
08-07-2015, 03:04 AMGeologo
I like the Esoterics and LAw introduction on Seize FLs, because I hate to have to cap it doing a DR:EXP that is slitted between 2 Dungeons.
FL up to now has a queue issue, and even if I think that make the playerbase rose thanks to the Duty Roulette Frontline woulded help the queue times, now I can say that a lot of casual players NOT interested in PvP are joining them doing almost nothing and this is getting annoying because they are not "trying" something new, they are just there for DR bonus.
So in my opinion the daily bonus is a good things, but it shoulded be Wolves mark + PvP Exp, without any more thome that the nomal one that u will obtain during a normal FL.
Also I think that the DR shouldn't give any bonus to the 3° placed and make them able to redo it and show and give a "GC in need bonus".
But this intended to be a positive post XD
Up to now I can say that Seize FL is my favourite mode, it's a midway between slaughter and secure and it involve strategy, cohordination, survivalism, roaming and KILL IT KILL IIIT! xD
The map is well designed and the RNG help to avoid static situation like Secure or Slaughter alpha drones pop.
I hope they will make some midify to old FLs too, to make them more pleasing too again.