Why do healers not gain as much contribution to a FATE as anyone else?

Because I did just as much work on rare spawn FATES keeping people alive and making sure there were no deaths, and afterwards I only got a bronze. What? How do FATEs work if healing doesn't matter?

Based on threat generated.

You want gold on a boss fate as WHM, benediction on the tank will get it quick.

Did you attack anything? Last I checked you need to tag atleast one mob with an aero or something, sure someone else can confirm this who is more familiar with fates than me.

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Originally Posted by Gist

Because I did just as much work on rare spawn FATES keeping people alive and making sure there were no deaths, and afterwards I only got a bronze. What? How do FATEs work if healing doesn't matter?

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by keeping people alive, did you do any actual healing? best way to get gold on FATEs is to benediction/lustrate spam the main tank, or cast regen on everyone in range, or spam other random heal spells on people that are actually fighting the boss (healing AFKers won't get you any credit)

Tag the mob(s) first. Then heal the MT like you want him to feel like the worst player that's ever graced Eorzea.

I remember months ago, I read ppl here said that healing players not in your party is useless... ^^;
something has changed?

You have to hit/tag/dmg a mob first to make the threat generated by healing legit.
Healing someone without having hit the related mob doesn't give anything.
AFAIK.
Perhaps more specifics.

This needs to be improved somehow it's annoying as hell to be the only person healing the main target, like I was with the big crab fate on my AST yesterday, and making sure to tag the target plus the fate adds coming for me from healing a couple of people they attacked. People in fates don't seem to realize, or perhaps care, sometimes that when you heal them you're picking up their aggro and they need to take it back. I've had to say at the really major fates- take these adds off me or I can't heal anyone anymore.

Swapping to CS to keep the one DOT I have at my level up on the main target and hit it with DPS spells as I could, while having to stay out of CS and spam heals on the target, I was rewarded with Silver and I was pissed because I did as much work as anyone and as the only healer there, if I hadn't done that the main target would have died and everything would have gone awry, including a possible reset. It's not like there were a ton of parties there and it got zerged with me barely having any time to cast anything, was just a handful of people.

I was doing "The Eyes Have It" in Coerthas (the cyclops boss FATE) as an AST. I swear I raised 20-30 people, sometimes the same person multiple times, applied the one DoT I had and only got silver. Now granted, 95% of the time I was raising instead of healing or doing dmg but come on, Healers should get credit based on HP healed/raises performed. If a healer does no damage, but raises 30 people in the FATE, that should count for something.

If you want a guaranteed gold, be in a party.

100% Agree. I never knew healing didn't really count for jack in fates until I leveled my WHM. I've also heard, as someone said, it does if you heal party members but never really confirmed that?? I've seen people yelling when healers in fates aren't rezing/healing whoever is tanking but the way it is set up right now kinda punishes you for doing your job as a healer and encourages people to just spam stone etc rather than trying to heal and dps since you run the risk of getting a bronze or silver. I feel like if you are inside the fate zone and heal someone who took damage from a fate mob, it should count the same as if you dpsing/tanking a mob. That's just me.

a litle tip.
look at the party finder,most often there is at least 1 long time fate farm party or just for that boss, heck put you own up, stance dance+ heal and raise everyone, put out some regens aspected benefic / medica 2 / asp helios on party, should get you nice and high rewards

+ pop oh shit heal cd / heal increaser on the mt if boss or someone getting raped by mobs

From what i saw is that if you are in a fate group and people do their work you get golds for just healing.
At least that is how i managed to do 47-50 in the matter of a couple hours.

Blame the idiots in FFXI who abused such mechanics - specifically when Campaign was added with the Wings of the Goddess expansion circa 07/08 (which ARR's FATEs are a baby brother of), players discovered they could exploit generous exp rewards for healing/buffing in the battle by simply switching to or even just subbing BRD and singing the same stupid song over and over again until the battle ended, without even doing anything in the battle.

SE eventually realized what was happening and greatly reduced the exp gained by healing in Campaign in a patch - only by actually fighting and dealing damage to the enemy will you get any decent reward from the battle (just singing songs nets you virtually nothing). No doubt this was on the ARR team's minds when the FATE system was developed for ARR, obviously Yoshi wanted to avoid a repeat of that whole sordid business.

How to get gold as healer
- tag boss
- spam aoe heals
-spam heals on MT
- afk and dps with 1 button pressing

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

How to get gold as healer
- tag boss
- spam aoe heals
-spam heals on MT
- afk and dps with 1 button pressing

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Exactly. I just medica a couple times and start using stone 2 or holy.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

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obviously Yoshi wanted to avoid a repeat of that whole sordid business.

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So instead we have a system in which I can switch to Paladin and flash a bunch of mobs on trash FATEs and get gold with doing minimal damage. But what happens if I main tank Gorgimera? Bronze only for doing my actual job effectively.

Not 100% related to what you said, but seemed like a good entry point given the discussion of things they\\'re trying to avoid.