I'm just a little curious how this is going to work out.
When PS3 launches and we have an influx of new players; Old players will have gil in the masses. Double - Tripple digit millions ( 7-9 figures )
Everything is obviously high priced as we speak to keep up with what players have accumulated. New players will start out with nothing and their only means of money making will be trhough 3k reward Guild Leves.
In order to buy a low level weapon or armor they will have to dish out 20-100k+ per piece. Not to mention gear worth 500k-1million+ Level 20-30+
What IS SE going to do to balance this out? And I don't believe that a massive ban of RMT is going to work as it did in FF11 as the players are the ones accumulating this gil.
IE: Would SE impose some sort of gil wipe? Everyone loses 50% of what they own to compensate for a fresh and fair economy?
Concern about the Economy upon PS3 launch
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10-04-2011, 03:07 AMSpuffinConcern about the Economy upon PS3 launch
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10-04-2011, 03:12 AMFiron
Nothing really cost that much right now so the new people will be fine They will be able to find cheap weapons regardless, No one is gonna charge 200k for an common weapon w/ the mats being like silver ingot oak lumber and steel ingot those items are cheap them selves so... everyone will be fine.
That is like saying they should wipe everyone's gil in XI cause 10k new people started today and they will be at an disadvantage. -
10-04-2011, 03:17 AMEekikiHard to say what's effect Materia is going to have on the economy. There's also the fact that the supply of some stuff is going to be reduced thanks to the changes in recipes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spuffin
We're also going to have new (small) gil sinks with chocobos and airship travel. And since repairs are going to be cheaper, we'll probably see more gil spent overall for repairs.
There's also going to be a slew of mid-rank gear made available by the grand companies and the low level dungeons/ifrit battle. That stuff won't cost anyone money at all.
A "gil wipe" is out of the question. It would cause more problems than it would solve. -
10-04-2011, 03:18 AMDenmoNo, absolutely not. They wouldn't risk taking player's gil unless said player was involved in shady practices.Quote:
IE: Would SE impose some sort of gil wipe? Everyone loses 50% of what they own to compensate for a fresh and fair economy?
What will happen at an influx of new players? There will be huge demand for low level starter gear, which will drive the prices of said gear up sky high. Crafters will try to capitalize on this in droves to earn some extra money.
The new players will look at the prices and say, "F that! I'm going to craft my own stuff or just survive till 30 or so on crappy gear." And they will. Eventually, supply will trump demand and the prices will fall to a reasonable level.
The market balances itself out (in this case). There's no need for intervention. -
10-04-2011, 03:19 AMJennestia
I'm all for a gil wipe honestly lol. The same thing happened in FFXI, when RMT were selling 1 million for $1 each, everything sky rocketed in price on even common items, to the point that HQ items were LESS than NQ item because people had hundreds of millions to throw around (it also made it obvious who bought gil.)
In FFXIV, the game itself hands you millions basically that things that are already expensive, will always be expensive because the playerbase has the gil to throw around, new players won't but they added NPCs that sell the basic gear progression for fairly good prices.
All they need is to add gilsinks before the PS3 release and everything will stabilize. -
10-04-2011, 03:22 AMdarkstarpoet1
gil wipes is a bad idea. i mean the question of how will new players handle the prices of gear now? easier than we did originally when things like buc shirts and harley actons were running 15mil in the wards. we made due and kept playing.
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10-04-2011, 03:22 AMDenmoThis. By the time PS3 launch comes, there will likely be some PvE content that requires a good deal of money to take part in. Remember Dynamis hourglasses?Quote:
All they need is to add gilsinks before the PS3 release and everything will stabilize.
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10-04-2011, 03:24 AMLeoDeSol
They are already working on this with the upcoming crafting changes as well as the reduction of how much things sell to NPCs for. They are also introducing new gils syncs already via rental chocobos and airship passes.
The crafting changes are also a massive nerf to gil entering the game. There will be a lot less people skilling up on things they only plan to sell to the NPCs now, not just because of reduced NPC buy prices, but also because of a lot less output from recipes and a lot less "parts" materials in general. Hell, if you farmed dodo and other skins for leather crafting, via leves or from the monsters themselves, you could make a pretty good amount of gil just crafting skins to leathers, to vamps to sell back to the NPCs 99 at a time. This will mostly be gone.
My guess is this is the first of many gradual changes to create a more balanced economy. Keep in mind that the influx of new people will also cause crafters to start making lower level weapons again as there will be demand for them again, and with the competition between crafters going on, the price should stabilize to being a small profit over mats to make for most common weapons/armors.
FFXI went through this several times and I saw the same type of threads when Xbox version went live. If the ecconomy is tuned, it will work itself out. Also, keep in mind that new players can easily hit level 10 with the intro weapons and armor, and like could hit 20 on most DoM, DoW, and DoL jobs with minimal gear purchases. This gets them into leves that pay out a lot more, plus several other new quest that can pay out pretty nicely.
A lot of Linkshells are also hurting for membership these days. Many existing linkshells will be anxious to recruit new blood and will be helping gear members up. Hell, I am sure I will be making any armor I can for friends that join for PS3 release, as well as new linkshell members. -
10-04-2011, 03:25 AMnasomi
If a piece costs 500k for level 30 gear and you don't have 500k, you're doing something wrong. I have had 1m, down to 200k, up to 700k, and now at 500-600k, over short periods of time, and I'm just now level 34. I had 1m in my early 20's. I don't farm or craft, I strictly adventure, and I buy a lot of crap.
And for a player just starting, that's like saying they deserve astral rings at level 10, just because they can equip them at level 10. You don't get them at level 10, you get them later. -
10-04-2011, 03:34 AMTonyMontana
I know of 3 people who have quit the game that are still pulling for the game to become a huge success. these 3 people each have 100-400 million gil each and they are looking forward to a time when the game is doing great and they can sell their gil to gil selling websites. Thats just 3 people I know and its over half a billion gil. Wonder how many more plan to do the same.
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10-04-2011, 03:34 AMAkira_Tenshi
I really wouldn't worry to much about the PS3 game and any problems it may have. It may not even release at all. When they can actually provide some evidence the game even exists then you can start fretting about it.
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10-04-2011, 03:42 AMJinko
They can make their money like the rest of us did, gathering and crafting.
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10-04-2011, 03:58 AMEstellios
They were reducing the cost of low level gear from NPCs to something more reasonable, so new players have that and it will help regulate the price of crafted low level gear.
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10-04-2011, 04:00 AMXeno
As long as we don't have a The great gil rise of 2005(?) all over again. I think we will be fine. 300mil for scorpion harness! WHAT
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10-04-2011, 04:14 AMTonyMontanaIf people who quit with tens or hundreds of millions all decide to sell their gil around the time the game gets popular, watch out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeno
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10-04-2011, 04:29 AMSecret_Reeve
new players can always ask someone to craft them the item too.
if a new player asks me to craft them some gear i will usually just charge 50% the cost of mats to help em along the way. -
10-04-2011, 09:14 AMdarkstarpoet1i'm the same. depending on how long someone has been in the game i've given many pieces out free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret_Reeve
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10-04-2011, 09:18 AMNuru
I believe that with the more simple crafting recipes there will be cheaper equipment out there. There isn't much now because there aren't that many slots to sell them through bazaar. The reason why it was so easy to find things in FFXI was because of the larger playerbase.
With this game, the way the recipes currently are is that making a weapon of any level is just too much of a hassle. -
10-04-2011, 09:44 AMVesper
You know, for awhile I had the same worry. But lets face it there will be tons of low level crafters as well pumping out items, so it will balance itself out. The majority of PC crafters will likely stick to the higher tiers.
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10-04-2011, 09:47 AMTheVedis
Any time new players start they ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS strart at a disadvntage
no game should ever go out of their way to punish current players in order to help new players catch up, in fact, new players shouldnt technicaly be able to catch up fully ever.
they can however ease the earlier stages of the game the longer the game has been out(most mmos use this practice and its a fair one) -
10-04-2011, 11:50 AMWaaltar
Prices are really low now for most things compared to the early months of the game. Mid level stuff including components like canvas cloth could be ridiculously expensive. Now it is all widely available at minimal cost.
Shards and crystals are now available for next to nothing compared to most of the game's lifespan.
Sometimes, lowbie gear is pricey now, but here's why.
Most people looking for lowbie gear are old players leveling new jobs. There is very little demand for low level gear currently.
When the PS3 players come in, a lot of their low level crafters will make low level gear for reasonable prices. -
10-04-2011, 12:36 PMzaviermhigo
If the new people don't craft, they'll have tons of money, if they do craft and don't gather they'll have no money, if they craft and gather they'll have less money. Those who craft to make a profit of course are not included. I merely just rank up on crap that I sell back to npcs and I do make back quite a deal.
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10-04-2011, 02:56 PMBlarp
I'm pretty curious to see how it turns out as well. I'm guessing it will be a lot like what happened in XI when JP's had a year headstart on the economy, but even worse here. They monopolized nearly every part of the market. FFXIV's economy is possibly one of the worst I've seen in an MMO to date. Who knows when PS3 launch will happen, but I think it's pretty safe to assume it's at least another year off. By that point, people will have so much gil that the new guys will have no hope of competing in the market.
Their hands are tied, but a late (2+ years) start for new players is going to put a lot of people off. If XI is any indication, it breeds an elitist community that will scoff at the new guys. -
10-04-2011, 04:04 PMMariyaShidou
New players would form LS on their own and be self-sufficient. What's the point of gil anyway apart from supposed gil sink? Everything is self-sufficient made easy these days.