SE hates Goldsmiths?

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10-03-2011, 08:57 PM
Punainen

SE hates Goldsmiths?

First off, being a Goldsmith is pretty expensive. That's to be expected.

But we create items that people only need in extremely limited amounts. No one wants MOST of what we can make. They want rings. That's all.

We at LEAST used to have the niche of being needed when those items got damaged. But after patch 1.19, not any longer! (and who needs a goldsmith to take your accessories to 100% when 99% is really just as good?)

Also I see that accessories will not be able to get materia attachments. Thus furthering the uselessness of being a Goldsmith. Once everyone has all the rings they want, we are left to become 'starving artists' as it were, with no real purpose left.
Sure there are SOME weapons that a Goldsmith may attach materia to, but really, its not enough to make up for all of our losses.

...I knew I should have gone weaver...
10-03-2011, 09:10 PM
Blarp

Alchemist. Culinarian.

Life ain't so bad.
10-03-2011, 09:15 PM
Punainen

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Originally Posted by Blarp

Alchemist. Culinarian.

Life ain't so bad.

ALC and CUL both make items that require replenishing, thus maintaining a steady purpose. People will always need more shards (and potions whenever they make them actually useful), and other mats that ALC creates, and when people can actually tell what food does, people will always need more food. But once you have rings, you have them and you never need more.
10-03-2011, 09:17 PM
Nero

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Originally Posted by Punainen

First off, being a Goldsmith is pretty expensive. That's to be expected.

First off: No its not. I spent for 40 Ranks at max 100.000 Gil due Botches, but thats about it. Everything else and that includes all other Crafts is just farming Mats, turning them into Ingredients, Final Product -> NPC/Sell. If people simply dont understand that you can Rank up a Craft to 50, without spending much Gil, they didnt understand it. ( Was the same in FFXI btw ).

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Originally Posted by Punainen

But we create items that people only need in extremely limited amounts. No one wants MOST of what we can make. They want rings. That's all.

Rings are a Skillup Item. If you try to sell these via Bazaar you will sit on them for a long Time and you will slow down your crafting progress. Just vendor them, but only do if you farmed the Mats yourself.. even if its just a couple thousand Gil per Ring, in the end its pure profit over the Ranks you are making them.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

We at LEAST used to have the niche of being needed when those items got damaged. But after patch 1.19, not any longer! (and who needs a goldsmith to take your accessories to 100% when 99% is really just as good?)

Goldsmith can craft a lot of different things btw. not only Rings. So you need to get away from that way of thinking.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Also I see that accessories will not be able to get materia attachments. Thus furthering the uselessness of being a Goldsmith.

Tell me the Craft which will Upgrade Weapons then i.e. Banneret Lance, Jade Hora? Who will craft the Arrowheads? Who will craft the Gems, which are needed in Weapons? Who will craft the Ingredients for the NM Weapons as in Aeolian Scimitar? etc etc Goldsmith is needed for a lot, you never realized that?

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Once everyone has all the rings they want, we are left to become 'starving artists' as it were, with no real purpose left.

To be honest, that comment was just bs.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Sure there are SOME weapons that a Goldsmith may attach materia to, but really, its not enough to make up for all of our losses.

... *facepalm*.. No offense, but you need to understand that there is really more than just Rings. I dont think you realized that while you was sp'ing it.
10-03-2011, 09:25 PM
Eugenics

"whenever they make them actually useful" Yeh, whenever been 2013.
10-03-2011, 09:32 PM
Punainen

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Originally Posted by Nero

First off: No its not. I spent for 40 Ranks at max 100.000 Gil due Botches, but thats about it. Everything else and that includes all other Crafts is just farming Mats, turning them into Ingredients, Final Product -> NPC/Sell. If people simply dont understand that you can Rank up a Craft to 50, without spending much Gil, they didnt understand it. ( Was the same in FFXI btw ).

Rings are a Skillup Item. If you try to sell these via Bazaar you will sit on them for a long Time and you will slow down your crafting progress. Just vendor them, but only do if you farmed the Mats yourself.. even if its just a couple thousand Gil per Ring, in the end its pure profit over the Ranks you are making them.

Goldsmith can craft a lot of different things btw. not only Rings. So you need to get away from that way of thinking.

Tell me the Craft which will Upgrade Weapons then i.e. Banneret Lance, Jade Hora? Who will craft the Arrowheads? Who will craft the Gems, which are needed in Weapons? Who will craft the Ingredients for the NM Weapons as in Aeolian Scimitar? etc etc Goldsmith is needed for a lot, you never realized that?

To be honest, that comment was just bs.

... *facepalm*.. No offense, but you need to understand that there is really more than just Rings. I dont think you realized that while you was sp'ing it.

Wow you just totally missed the point entirely. No, NO crafts are expensive if you only do leves, good for you for figuring that out. And no one is buying vendor trash rings, I'm talking STAT rings. People want sunstone, etc rings and they don't want to buy anything else. Everything else goldsmith makes is vendor trash. Thanks for proving my point.
Being able to craft vendor trash does not make the job more useful.
And yeah. I already gave mention to the half dozen weapons that goldsmith will be needed for. But whoohoo, goldsmith gets 6 things to upgrade while all other crafts can upgrade practically everything they make.

Yeah, you REALLY proved me wrong, dude. /sarcasm
10-03-2011, 09:47 PM
Nero

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Wow you just totally missed the point entirely. No, NO crafts are expensive if you only do leves, good for you for figuring that out. And no one is buying vendor trash rings, I'm talking STAT rings. People want sunstone, etc rings and they don't want to buy anything else. Everything else goldsmith makes is vendor trash. Thanks for proving my point.

Im not missing the point, you simply didnt understand what i said. I never said i only do leves.. actually there are times when i didnt touch them for weeks. And that peoply only want to buy Stat rings i just not true, so maybe lower the Price for the Rings you want to sell? So noone want the Ingredients for the NM' Weapons? Unless LS' have crafters which can make those themself, they have to buy it. Same with Arrowheads for CRP Rankups.. Those Stuff is selling fast in Wards.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Being able to craft vendor trash does not make the job more useful.

Read what i said.. you said its expensive to rank up. I said no its not. I was not talking about what kind of Items you could sell the most effective way, to make the biggest amount of Gil.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

And yeah. I already gave mention to the half dozen weapons that goldsmith will be needed for. But whoohoo, goldsmith gets 6 things to upgrade while all other crafts can upgrade practically everything they make.

Whats the point here? With the new Patches, the Stat Acessoires will become more usefull. So you can be sure about the fact that you will sell more of them.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Yeah, you REALLY proved me wrong, dude. /sarcasm

I never tried to prove you wrong?! Fail comprehension Skill? I gave my opinion to your statement how "GS" sucks, and i just said no they dont suck if you use it the correct way. Its simply a fact that every Craft is usefull in their own way, if you dont understand that you shouldnt blame the game.
10-03-2011, 09:48 PM
Falcus

So the fact that goldsmith is needed for some of the best weapons in the game makes it useless?
Just so you know, people actually buy +3 weapons for quite a considerable amount of gil.
10-03-2011, 09:54 PM
TonyMontana

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Originally Posted by Punainen

ALC and CUL both make items that require replenishing, thus maintaining a steady purpose. People will always need more shards (and potions whenever they make them actually useful), and other mats that ALC creates, and when people can actually tell what food does, people will always need more food. But once you have rings, you have them and you never need more.

I have all 8 at 50, nothing compares to how bad cul is. On my server the food that people use sells at a loss on the wards. thats right you make one and sell it you lose money.
10-03-2011, 10:02 PM
neizero

craft some engraved buhj+3's, only R32 synth and worth 5M+ each
10-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Griss

i thought se hated culinarians, or puppies, cant remember what players are saying the company hates these days.
10-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Punainen

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Originally Posted by Nero

Im not missing the point, you simply didnt understand what i said. I never said i only do leves.. actually there are times when i didnt touch them for weeks. And that peoply only want to buy Stat rings i just not true, so maybe lower the Price for the Rings you want to sell? So noone want the Ingredients for the NM' Weapons? Unless LS' have crafters which can make those themself, they have to buy it. Same with Arrowheads for CRP Rankups.. Those Stuff is selling fast in Wards.

Read what i said.. you said its expensive to rank up. I said no its not. I was not talking about what kind of Items you could sell the most effective way, to make the biggest amount of Gil.

Whats the point here? With the new Patches, the Stat Acessoires will become more usefull. So you can be sure about the fact that you will sell more of them.

I never tried to prove you wrong?! Fail comprehension Skill? I gave my opinion to your statement how "GS" sucks, and i just said no they dont suck if you use it the correct way. Its simply a fact that every Craft is usefull in their own way, if you dont understand that you shouldnt blame the game.

Well then apparently you're not talking about what I'm talking about, at which point...why are you here?
10-03-2011, 10:07 PM
Nero

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Well then apparently you're not talking about what I'm talking about, at which point...why are you here?

That comment made me laugh.. Beside the fact that you didnt even notice the other Posts, which are saying basically the same as i do, you totally failed to understand anything. So you are just another whining Troll who was just bitching and dont want to learn anything. Farewell.. dont really have time to bother with trolls anymore.
10-03-2011, 10:29 PM
Nilheim

The slot costs on accessories will be lifted soon, so you'll have more variety than other crafters. What do you think tanners sell these days? It's always the same items and they just hope they'll HQ to make a bigger profit, welcome to crafting. You could argue that with the materia system, other crafters will have a steady income, but who knows what's gonna happen to the economy.

Accessories aside, Goldsmiths make most of the parts needed to craft the best weapons in the game at the moment. Of course that may change but you're complaining about right now anyway.

And finally, I'll say it as well: Goldsmith isn't expensive to level. No craft is, it just takes patience and a list of recipes to know what to make and when.

And as far as SE hating Goldsmithing, I'll just assume that's a figure of speech or it's just plain sad.
10-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Volsung

From what I read it seems you may be able to turn accessories into materia, even if you cannot attach materia to them. This would be wonderful for soldsmiths if true. Here I'll quote the patch notes:

The following types of items do not possess spiritbond:

Smallclothes / Pack and Pouch Items (Arrows, Bait, and Lures)

The following types of items cannot have materia affixed to them:

Accessories / Smallclothes / Pack and Pouch Items (Arrows, Bait, and Lures)

So if accessories can be turned into materia, then they will be gone through a lot more, which is good :)
10-03-2011, 11:17 PM
MariyaShidou

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Originally Posted by Falcus

So the fact that goldsmith is needed for some of the best weapons in the game makes it useless?
Just so you know, people actually buy +3 weapons for quite a considerable amount of gil.

Not any more. Patch 1.19 has barely any Goldsmith weapon recipe, bar the THM's. Banneret Lance, Thunderstorm Axe etc. all gone. The dated recipe might not be Meldable with Materia from the pictures http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...ee/1214_29.png so those dated +3 will be not as much coveted as before, and not to mention level nerfed on old equipment (Crab Hora from 46 -> 41).
10-03-2011, 11:43 PM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by Punainen

But we create items that people only need in extremely limited amounts. No one wants MOST of what we can make. They want rings. That's all.

You're trolling... Right?

Please tell me you're trolling. Of all the crafts that could complain about getting the short end, Goldsmithing is not one of them, and if you think it is, then crafting in general is not for you.
10-03-2011, 11:58 PM
darkstarpoet1

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

I have all 8 at 50, nothing compares to how bad cul is. On my server the food that people use sells at a loss on the wards. thats right you make one and sell it you lose money.

yeah, i have to agree cul is for sure the lowest on the totem pole.

i can see where the op if coming from, but there will never be enough support for him on these forums. someone makes an honest observation and, of course, gets flamed. why should that be a suprise?
10-04-2011, 12:01 AM
PrettyPrincess

You know...the whole "Does SE hate X class" is pretty ridunculus. If they hated it why would they make it in the first place?
10-04-2011, 12:11 AM
Felis

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Not any more. Patch 1.19 has barely any Goldsmith weapon recipe, bar the THM's. Banneret Lance, Thunderstorm Axe etc. all gone.

ehm, what?
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...sId=D&rankId=6
10-04-2011, 12:26 AM
Petdo

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Not any more. Patch 1.19 has barely any Goldsmith weapon recipe, bar the THM's. Banneret Lance, Thunderstorm Axe etc. all gone.
ehm, what?
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...sId=D&rankId=6

Wow! So it very likely that they will extend level cap to 60 soon?...?
10-04-2011, 12:29 AM
Viridiana

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Originally Posted by Petdo

Wow! So it very likely that they will extend level cap to 60 soon?...?

Doubtful. Remember, you can make anything that's your rank +10.
10-04-2011, 12:35 AM
Jinko

Maybe make a segestion to make goldsmithers the main smelting class in the game, it would give them a much needed niche if other metal workers had to rely upon them to make their nuggets and ingots.
10-04-2011, 12:44 AM
EdenArchangel

I'm more disappointed in how the tier 3 gems are becoming mine-able --- the only rare-ish synth pre 1.19 /prepares for the flood of tier 3 stat rings

But yes, this is not the goldsmith most here are used to; no expensive and rare items delicately crafted into the finest of shinies, just hammering out a few stat rings every now and then and upgrading reskins to the next tier every 10 ranks.

/sadface
10-04-2011, 09:19 AM
MariyaShidou

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Originally Posted by Felis

ehm, what?
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...sId=D&rankId=6

You know you actually proved my point, the only weapon in the lvl 51-60 is Ivory Staff. Goldsmith no longer makes decorated weapons like Banneret Lance, Electrum Guisarme, Thunderstorm Axe, Engraved Bhuj etc.
10-04-2011, 09:31 AM
Nuru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punainen

First off, being a Goldsmith is pretty expensive. That's to be expected.

But we create items that people only need in extremely limited amounts. No one wants MOST of what we can make. They want rings. That's all.

We at LEAST used to have the niche of being needed when those items got damaged. But after patch 1.19, not any longer! (and who needs a goldsmith to take your accessories to 100% when 99% is really just as good?)

Also I see that accessories will not be able to get materia attachments. Thus furthering the uselessness of being a Goldsmith. Once everyone has all the rings they want, we are left to become 'starving artists' as it were, with no real purpose left.
Sure there are SOME weapons that a Goldsmith may attach materia to, but really, its not enough to make up for all of our losses.

...I knew I should have gone weaver...

I may not be a high level Goldsmith (im only 28), but I think that the Slot Limit should be lifted, and a variety of different jewelry should be available.