PvP Stat Caps i150

Accuracy is in need of testing, but otherwise all other numbers are current. Vit caps for accessories increase to 30 vit if there is a tank present, 64 for chest/legs, 38 rest.


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*Some vit values are with a tank present, will edit when I have the opportunity - done

Best in Slot lists are questionable at current gear levels, not all caps can be reached for all slots at this time (3.05).

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Does this even matter (I'm asking honestly)? I'm confused about something. There seems to be no gear between levels 110-180 for pvp. The 180 gear is over the ilvl 150 sync, and, even with moral, the ilvl 110 gear is below level sync by 20. So, basically, unless your PvP level is capped at 50, you don't have any PvP gear options, right? Which means we'll all mostly be using the 1lvl180/190 gear from PvE. All of which is above level sync, so, in theory, stat caps don't really matter because we're all overgeared anyway, and, with the current state of PvP gear, there's no point in trying to customize your PvP stat options short of mixing up what kinds of accessories you're using... Am I wrong here? Did I miss something? I kinda hoping so, because I think not being able to customize your PvP loadout to optimize your performance is a big pitfall of PvP right now...

Technically the 180 pvp gear should still be our best option. The 180 pvp pieces seem to be better allocated with secondary stats. For instance if you're the Februs Ive pvp'd with lately(flames) than I believe you're main class is a tank. So you can take your tank body. The 180 is stat'd with crit/det, theres no other body with that. You have the choice to meld acc/ss or cap the crit as the cap for that is 52 on chest and it currently has 48(trivial at best to cap).

Basically the pvp gear should allow us to get as many points into our secondary stats as possible, since they're caps, you can play/meld around that. Since you cant meld the pvp accessories, those will be the ones you can pick between pvp/pve pieces whichever has the better stat allocation.

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Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

Technically the 180 pvp gear should still be our best option.

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Uh oh... I should probably be worried if someone remembers my name out of a pack of 72 people XD. I Hope I didn't bring the team down too much @_@.
That aside, I figured this was the case and that the pvp gear was all about secondary stats (and glamours, I suppose). I guess the only real question I have, then, is why there is no pvp equipment between Ilvl 110 (130) to ilvl 180 (210). Options seem a bit limited, and, for those of us who are still shy of level 50, we're stuck with the regular PvE gear until we can slowly claw our way up through the painful PvP grind. It's not a huge issue, honestly. I don't think I've been doing too badly with my regular i190 set (I hope), but I feel like PvP is a little too neglected by the dev team.

You communicate, and I happen to have a decently good memory.

I have no idea, I would hope/think SE is planning on raising the PVP ilvl cap to 180 perhaps with 3.1? I would like that, but a part of me wants them to postpone that a bit longer as I too am climbing my way up the ranks and when I finally get the gear and meld it Id rather not have to re-meld it anytime soon again to meet 2ndary stat caps for the new ilvl cap.

Tbh myth gear was i110 when upgraded, frontline was i80 cap 30 levels below

Law are new myth gear is i180 once upgraded frontline i150 cap30 below again

I doubt they will raise cap

The only issue with the pvp gear and as I mentioned the melds, is that the pvp entry says "during pvp, materia bonuses are also ignored" Is that to imply any materia over the cap? or just materias themselves are not counted period? This would be a bit strange as why put pvp gear with melds and then not count them. Can anyone confirm?

Either way, unless you need accuracy, some of the pvp items are still good options with crit/det or acc+ 2nd, as some of the other gear pieces have acc/ss or acc/parry if you're a tank or something parry.

Its sad that SE neglects this part of the game content.

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Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

The only issue with the pvp gear and as I mentioned the melds, is that the pvp entry says "during pvp, materia bonuses are also ignored" Is that to imply any materia over the cap? or just materias themselves are not counted period? This would be a bit strange as why put pvp gear with melds and then not count them. Can anyone confirm?

Either way, unless you need accuracy, some of the pvp items are still good options with crit/det or acc+ 2nd, as some of the other gear pieces have acc/ss or acc/parry if you're a tank or something parry.

Its sad that SE neglects this part of the game content.

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Under an ilvl sync (Frontlines) materia is ignored even if it's on PvP gear. The materia slots only function in PvP with no sync (Wolves Den)

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Originally Posted by Layth

Under an ilvl sync (Frontlines) materia is ignored even if it's on PvP gear. The materia slots only function in PvP with no sync (Wolves Den)

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Well that sucks... The biggest flaw I think tanks have in PvP is that they're often just a bit too slow to finish the death blow on their attacks, so I was looking forward to melding some extra skill speed into my gear (after I did the math to find out if it would actually get me that extra second I need). Guess there won't be a point one way or another if the materia is void during actual matches.

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Originally Posted by Stupiduglytaru

Tbh myth gear was i110 when upgraded, frontline was i80 cap 30 levels below

Law are new myth gear is i180 once upgraded frontline i150 cap30 below again

I doubt they will raise cap

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I doubt it as well, and it's a darn shame. Honestly, one of my pvp concerns right now is that SE will just let it die, like they did with frontlines. Updates for everything else in the game, from PvE to the dumb little stuff like crafting and gathering, gets patched every other day, it seems, but PvP gets no new content, no updates, no fixes, and no improvements. There's a reason the lobbies start to die after a while.

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Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

Its sad that SE neglects this part of the game content.

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Totally agree. SE seems to completely ignore PvP. I've seen a lot of good ideas fly around the forums, but I don't think SE will implement any of them. They patch everything else, but PvP seems to get no love from the dev team.
Thanks for answering my question, though.

To be fair though, as I said before a lot of the pvp gear still has good stat allocations. I dont know how good parry are for tanks for pvp(I know in some pvp games , stats that are good for pve arent for pvp and viceversa) but assuming that crit/det is still the way to go, the pvp armor has good pieces with crit/det det/ss crit/ss combinations, and can fill in your acc slots with accuracy, this is assuming we arent hurting for accuracy.

The OP was saying something about 568-570 but this was being blinded. So that has to be taken into consideration, how much acc people feel comfortable with.

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Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro

To be fair though, as I said before a lot of the pvp gear still has good stat allocations. I dont know how good parry are for tanks for pvp(I know in some pvp games , stats that are good for pve arent for pvp and viceversa) but assuming that crit/det is still the way to go, the pvp armor has good pieces with crit/det det/ss crit/ss combinations, and can fill in your acc slots with accuracy, this is assuming we arent hurting for accuracy.

The OP was saying something about 568-570 but this was being blinded. So that has to be taken into consideration, how much acc people feel comfortable with.

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Parry is a nice alternative (but not as good as) the shield white mages lost from going to lvl 60, 1 crit/parry acc gave me just under 0.5% extra parry rate over the course of the average FL match

not as good as a crit/det accs of course

I just got Bard to 60, and PVP rank to 50, and comparing my new i180 PVP bow to the i180 law tome bow, I realized the law tome bow had better stats at the same ilvl (Crit/Det). So, off I went to make a glamour prism and stash my shiny new bow in my retainer's inventory.

I'm at 500 acc and only miss like once a game once in a while. I max out dex and crit. no problem getting fever.

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Originally Posted by Februs

The biggest flaw I think tanks have in PvP is that they're often just a bit too slow to finish the death blow on their attacks

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Mercy Stroke, that shit has gave me most kills and its also good way to humiliate your opponent :P

PS: What comes to accuracy its not needed at all, having a base 354 still gives me 100% hit-rate unless you are hitting a healer that popped Attunement(duh).

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Mercy Stroke, that shit has gave me most kills and its also good way to humiliate your opponent :P

PS: What comes to accuracy its not needed at all, having a base 354 still gives me 100% hit-rate unless you are hitting a healer that popped Attunement(duh).

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Until we get some published parse data its just a guessing game, it could very well be that SE have removed the accuracy requirement for sieze

That being said, it's pretty fun watching peopel claim accuracy isnt needed and then watch them parse less than 90% accuracy in matches

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

Until we get some published parse data its just a guessing game, it could very well be that SE have removed the accuracy requirement for sieze

That being said, it's pretty fun watching peopel claim accuracy isnt needed and then watch them parse less than 90% accuracy in matches

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Well i have no hard data just personal experience, i have always stacked crit/det or ss in pvp and never had issues hitting players unless they used said attunement or other immunities.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Well i have no hard data just personal experience, i have always stacked crit/det or ss in pvp and never had issues hitting players unless they used said attunement or other immunities.

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I'm the same way. When I'm in a dmg dealing situation, I forego Acc. It's never been a problem so far, not even in PvE. Let's be honest, most of the tank gear offers the bare necessity of acc anyway. I remember, back in the day, people were singing from the mountains about how Tanks absolutely had to put Acc on their relics... and then Ironworks and Dreadwyrm came out and it became an utterly useless stat to use as additional. I was very happy I went with Det/Crit/skill speed instead. My combo's never fail to go off, so, if I ever was looking to meld extra stats into my PvP set, Acc would not have been my first choice... Not that it matters, since materia is, apparently useless in seize.