Patience and Fisheyes

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07-29-2015, 03:40 AM
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Patience and Fisheyes

While I like the idea of Patience, there is a serious problem with it. A rage inducing one honestly.

While 2 minutes is annoyingly short as is, if the buff expires while you still have your hook in the water, you KEEP the hook deficiency for that entire cast, but you're locked out of using your hooksets to counter it, which is an annoying problem. So many times have I hooked exactly what I was aiming for right as the window ended, with Patience, only for Patience to fall off seconds before the hook pulled, and I had to rely on pure luck to fish the thing up because I cant use my hooksets. Which doesn't go well.

Could we possibly have the effect not wear off even if the timer expires, until your cast is finished?

As for Fisheyes, 2 minutes for something like this is too short. The fact that you NEED it to catch the folklore fish in general is just annoying. I feel like we could go without it, there is enough of a weather/time requirement on catching things, adding GP and a 2 minute buff upkeep to even hook the thing is just overkill.

But if it's staying, extending it's duration would be nice.
07-30-2015, 01:24 AM
Zorlinta

Fish eye time seems to be dependent on the hole. If u use it on anyx old, you will get 3 mins instead 2.
07-30-2015, 01:45 AM
Tint

yes, the problem with patience is really annoying. easy way to fix it: make it possible to use that hooksets ALL the time.

fish eyes seems only exist so we can't use patience. that's okay. but in the 2 mins we can't recover enough GP to use it again. so yes please, the buff should last a little bit longer. think 4 mins are enough.
08-01-2015, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tint

yes, the problem with patience is really annoying. easy way to fix it: make it possible to use that hooksets ALL the time.

fish eyes seems only exist so we can't use patience. that's okay. but in the 2 mins we can't recover enough GP to use it again. so yes please, the buff should last a little bit longer. think 4 mins are enough.

The inability to use Patience is also annoying.

I enjoyed fishing up to this point, and still enjoy it in some places, but I just don't enjoy fishing with Fish Eyes at all. Think it's the only change to fishing that I don't like at all.
08-02-2015, 03:03 AM
UknowUknow

Fishing isn't what it use to be because fishers now have to look at the screen more.

By looking at the patience timer and knowing the secs of each tug, power/perc has a higher chance of being active.

There isn't anything wrong with fish eye. Fish is still catchable when timer runs out, and FSHs should have enough Tp to use it 2x before using a cordial. Plus Cordial is on a 4 min CD.
08-02-2015, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Fishing isn't what it use to be because fishers now have to look at the screen more.

By looking at the patience timer and knowing the secs of each tug, power/perc has a higher chance of being active.

There isn't anything wrong with fish eye. Fish is still catchable when timer runs out, and FSHs should have enough Tp to use it 2x before using a cordial. Plus Cordial is on a 4 min CD.

Cause it's possibly to know what is completely RNG, huh?
08-03-2015, 01:38 AM
UknowUknow

Using fishing actions such as Patience and Fisheyes is considered RNG now? Huh?
08-03-2015, 06:20 AM
Verdan

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Fishing isn't what it use to be because fishers now have to look at the screen more.

By looking at the patience timer and knowing the secs of each tug, power/perc has a higher chance of being active.

There isn't anything wrong with fish eye. Fish is still catchable when timer runs out, and FSHs should have enough Tp to use it 2x before using a cordial. Plus Cordial is on a 4 min CD.

You even read the post dawg? If patience runs out during a cast, the penalty is still there but you have no way to counteract it. Since fishing is a roll of the dice every time, it's easy for you to be waiting for a bite and have patience run out right before you get something, which would be cool if you didn't have your ability to catch things totally destroyed but can't use stuff to make it better. When patience fades everything about it should fade.
08-03-2015, 08:30 AM
UknowUknow

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Originally Posted by Verdan

You even read the post dawg?

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

By looking at the patience timer and knowing the secs of each tug, power/perc has a higher chance of being active.

Yes, yes I did, and yes I know fishing is RNG. FSH actions and Fish RNG are two topics. Below extends what I said earlier.

Example:
Bladed jig bite time, 30 Secs for hard tug, 20 secs for medium. If going for big fish and patience timer is below 30 secs after mooch why mooch again? Simple solution, just wait for the buff to drop, then mooch for the big fish.

Now use that and apply it to frilled shark for example, would a FSH start the mooch after giant octopus when patience is below 30 secs?
08-03-2015, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Yes, yes I did, and yes I know fishing is RNG. FSH actions and Fish RNG are two topics. Below extends what I said earlier.

Example:
Bladed jig bite time, 30 Secs for hard tug, 20 secs for medium. If going for big fish and patience timer is below 30 secs after mooch why mooch again? Simple solution, just wait for the buff to drop, then mooch for the big fish.

Now use that and apply it to frilled shark for example, would a FSH start the mooch after giant octopus when patience is below 30 secs?

So in other words, your answer is to just sit there and wait for Patience to wear off completely.

So not only do we have time and weather windows to worry about, and fish eyes, we now also have to sit for up to 29 seconds because if we don't, we get screwed out of our catch.

No.

And I'm fairly sure there isn't a static catch time for certain baits. I've had catches that are within seconds, and I've also had some that take a while to pull, all within the same type of tug. And if it were true, does mooching even apply? Because it feels like it sure doesn't. But deficiency does.
08-03-2015, 02:01 PM
UknowUknow

Here click on my lodestone, I think i know a thing or 2 about fishing in this game
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...t/category/32/
08-03-2015, 03:50 PM
MichiKyou

I would like to see patience last maybe 5 fishes. Seeing as for the same GP, miners can generally gather 2 more items or up to 3 collectables with 200 more guaranteed.
08-03-2015, 09:33 PM
LineageRazor

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Here click on my lodestone, I think i know a thing or 2 about fishing in this game
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...t/category/32/

I think that you'll find that many posting in this thread have a similar lineup of achievements.

Regardless, whether or not you can predict how long it will take to fish up a fish, it's still ridiculous that a player should still have a penalty, while removing the tool that was designed to remove that penalty.

Your suggestion to just not cast if the Patience timer is low is a WORKAROUND for an obviously poor design. It's a band-aid, not a solution. The folks in this thread have it right: Hooksets should be usable at ANY time, not just when Patience is active, to cover the (frequent) cases when it wears off while your line is still in the water. Sure, you can wait, but you shouldn't have to.
08-03-2015, 10:55 PM
UknowUknow

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Your suggestion to just not cast if the Patience timer is low is a WORKAROUND for an obviously poor design. It's a band-aid, not a solution. The folks in this thread have it right: Hooksets should be usable at ANY time, not just when Patience is active, to cover the (frequent) cases when it wears off while your line is still in the water. Sure, you can wait, but you shouldn't have to.

Heh, linked to show that I am not bullshitting, and not some 2000 feet long e-peen. At least you got it, I am only here to make a suggestion/workaround/band-aid/solution.

Patience action still makes mooching and getting HQ fish helluva easier, poorly designed or not . 20 HQ Silver Sovereigns? No problem. HQ Storm rider? No problem. Spend the whole window trying to HQ a Wahoo? Not a problem. Going to a spot, 1 window early just to pre-mooch for the next window? Not anymore.

Did I jog some of those fond memories?
08-04-2015, 04:49 AM
Zorlinta

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Example:
Bladed jig bite time, 30 Secs for hard tug, 20 secs for medium. If going for big fish and patience timer is below 30 secs after mooch why mooch again? Simple solution, just wait for the buff to drop, then mooch for the big fish.

Now use that and apply it to frilled shark for example, would a FSH start the mooch after giant octopus when patience is below 30 secs?

The tug time is variable, not allways the same time for same size pull. Also it often fails after it goes off, so its like the penalty buff were applied at time of the cast doing.

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Originally Posted by UknowUknow

Patience action still makes mooching and getting HQ fish helluva easier, poorly designed or not . 20 HQ Silver Sovereigns? No problem. HQ Storm rider? No problem. Spend the whole window trying to HQ a Wahoo? Not a problem. Going to a spot, 1 window early just to pre-mooch for the next window? Not anymore.

Did I jog some of those fond memories?

indeed it may be wonderfull, but the trouble is that is level 51 skill, and from there you can easily buy a npc shop rod/equipment for this level instead going to go painfull hell to do those exchanges now :(
08-04-2015, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorlinta

The tug time is variable, not allways the same time for same size pull. Also it often fails after it goes off, so its like the penalty buff were applied at time of the cast doing.

It does. Your HQ rate seems to stay as well even after Patience wears off, but catching the thing to begin with without the hooksets becomes the problem.