I was just thinking after looking at the names of the 12. It reminded me of FFXII where we got our own new esper's, the name system is about the same with the descriptions after them to. I believe this time instead of The old school esper's showing up as Airships, they are enemy/evil esper's and we will get our own which are maybe of the 12 to combat them and the Empire as some of us have said is being controlled by their own esper.
It could also be the other way around. I am looking forward to seeing how the story arc makes this! I do understand that there are other threads discussing the Esper's but this is more for lore speculation where we can put our own idea's into it and "like" ones that we like most or seem most plausable. Also just to have some fun amid all these "the dev's got it wrong" threads!:cool:
Espers FFXIV style
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10-02-2011, 05:44 PMXmbeiEspers FFXIV style
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10-02-2011, 05:47 PMXxOstiaxX
They are called Primals i believe, and they are gods or diety's in this world.
Also the espers from FFXII Where mostly new or old bosses made espers. -
10-02-2011, 05:51 PMXmbeiThank you for making corrections. Though there is going to be good and bad Primals but last I checked the "civilized" races only call the Beastman gods Primal's while calling their own gods just gods. I am just trying to have a NICE story speculation thread not to insult other people because of how they see the story. (I am not saying you are being insulting just making it clear for future posts) Edit: Also the Empire calls them Eikons.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX
edit: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E...al_Fantasy_XII) heck the Legends on the Esper's is to me very similiar to what I have read for XIV and they are even zodiaced like the God's of XIV. Also it was said in interviews prior to release, that there is going to be good and evil god/primal/espers whatever people want to call them. For me I would like to call the evil ones Primals and the good ones Espers to me Primals sounds dark and Espers sound good. -
10-02-2011, 07:13 PMFensfieldNot at all, the Beast Tribes refer to their deities as 'The Primals'. Meanwhile, the Garlean Empire refer to the Primals as 'Eikons'. The Spoken of Eorzea; that is, the 'civilised' races, are split between the two terms, with one being the name the Beast Tribes prefer other races use, and Eikons being considered insulting and liable to get you killed if used around their followers, since by it the Garleans mean 'icons' in the Christian sense - that is, getting lost in the worship of icons (statues, concepts, pictures) and losing sight of the 'real' god/s (whatever that may be - most likely they also believe in The Twelve).Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
The Primals are just the Primals so far as I follow the story, there is no distinction between good and evil (seriously, you'd try to lump Fire and Water and co' in with good or evil?) and to my knowledge the term Esper has, at this time, no bearing on the story. The Primals are so-named because they represent and control the primal aspects; they are the elements and base concepts incarnate and wholly separate from the notion of being bad or good. That's also where the question of which are the 'real' gods comes from: the Primals are obvious, real, powerful, but do not stand for the more cultured and complex concepts and philosophies of civilised society. Meanwhile The Twelve are an abstract pantheon, whose power, if they exist at all, operates far more subtly, rather than so directly as the powers of the Espers were represented in their own games, but still represent things with which the Spoken are more familiar and comfortable.
In other words, if the Espers have anything to compare to in this game, it's The Primals. They're certainly an ill-fit for the celestial pantheon of The Twelve and their much more subtle (unseen hand that guides and all that) approach to those who follow them, and it is definitely a mistake to lump Primals and members of the Twelve together as simply being, respectively, malevolent and benevolent coin-sides. -
10-02-2011, 07:21 PMXmbei
lol I was hoping people just understood what I was thinking of the story and I wanted to hear other's interpretations. All I have gotten is I am wrong responses >.<.... I was just making this thread for fun so we can have a fun discussion over the Primals/Eikons/dieties. I was explaining how I think it would go, I was just hoping other's would have their own interpretations and post them, not just keep correcting me >.<.
I mean Yes I am getting some interpretations but they are more directed to my posts when I just want people to post their own ideas without argueing over other's interpertations. -
10-02-2011, 07:31 PMXmbei
Fensfield, wasn't it said a bit ago that they will give us an option to change or guardian from the 12 in the future because we might find out something about the ones we chose that we won't like? That is why I am thinking there is a sinister side going on behind the scenes that we haven't seen yet. I just want to have fun with that bit of information and see what other's might think about the twelve and primal lores.
like there is Umbral and Astral Months and we worry about the Umbral era because it means destruction and not good for us. I am stretching with this statement but after reading Nald'thals description, makes me think Ifrit. Nald'thal is connected with the Umbral 6th month of the Eorzean calander, he is fire elemented, the trading is more to do with how the Amajaal are trying to control the trading and flow of crystals, also the fact that Ifrit is in Thanalan and so is Nald'thal. Yes far stretching but we will find out as we learn more of the 12 and their connection with the umbral era's. Which has also been said in Lore that they are the cause of the Umbral era's. -
10-02-2011, 07:35 PMFensfieldI'm afraid my memory of that quote is more along the lines of, 'We will probably give you the opportunity to change your Guardian at some point in the future, when we make the choice more relevant to gameplay.' I've no memory of this 'something you won't like' bit (aside from the implication that the choice may have an unwanted impact on gameplay), but I'd appreciate it if you could link me through to the Dev' post in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
Also, discussion and debate generally involve differing ideas that very often will not mesh very well. I delivered my contradictory interpretation as a part of explaining why I believe that your interpretation is incorrect, not as an attack on you, and I'm sorry if you read it so. If discussion cannot at any point say 'I'm sorry but I think you're wrong', then you're limiting acceptable posts to ones that agree with you and this whole thread becomes pointless beyond 'here's what I think, and I'm sorry but I'm not interested in everyone else's thoughts on the subject.' -
10-02-2011, 07:46 PMXmbeiheh I didn't take to much offense by your post. I am not trying to steer it I just would like to see more interpretations with yes some disagreements but I was hoping for disagreements of "oh this is how I see it.... I don't agree with your statements but I see the lore evolving this way....." Is all I was meaning I want some interesting interpretations from peoples own experiences ^.^. Also I will try to find the post but that might take awhile lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fensfield
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10-02-2011, 07:58 PMSephrQuote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
I think that's what you mean? I noticed that recently too, very interesting and makes me look forward to what the story has in store for us.Quote:
DP: You can choose your guardian deity during character creation, but can you switch during the course of the game?
KI: We’ll probably make it possible, since there are some SERIOUS revelations about the deities during the game (Iwao laughs). There will most likely be a penalty, though.
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10-02-2011, 07:59 PMXmbeiyes that is what I was refering to! thanks for finding it ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephr
edit: actually another thing that has interested me is the tattooed necked beings we interact with in the main story cutscenes. With all the power and spells that they have that we don't I think they are Avatar's of the 12 and also the 2 evil or proposed evil beings that we interact with in either LL storyline or (for the life of me I can't remember his name) but the Arcanist that everyone is trying to hunt down, (he also has the neck tattoo) is avatar as well of a greater being maybe the 12 as well. Because they can disappear at will not teleport. I know I might be overthinking this to some people, but it is how I am seeing it. I mean they come out of no where, when people search for them no one can find them, they talk in riddles, and they know a lot about the 12. lol I just like the story and making my predictions of how the story will evolve, I want to see what others have formulated in their experiences ^.^. -
10-02-2011, 08:29 PMXmbei
lol I do have to say... I was hoping for more imaginative people in the FF community that would tell their interpretations, I am surprised. Considering all the lore talk in every other aspect of the game from weapons and armor.
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10-02-2011, 08:36 PMFensfieldOoh... thank you o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephr
As for this, well, obviously I like indulging in this sort of speculation (roleplayer and all), but still my interpretation remains fairly different and I don't really see the deities going the route you seem to be imagining .. although I do wonder about this revelation they're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
Honestly I imagined things taking a more 'crusade-y' turn along the line, with factions forming around followers of the Primals and the Twelve - certainly that does seem to be the route along which the storyline seems to have been meandering, what with the Garleans lumping the Woken in with the Beast Tribes and other followers of the Primals and seemingly earmarking them for purges. -
10-02-2011, 08:39 PMXmbei^.^ thats what I am talking about thanks ^.^ I like that someone has posted their own ideas now ^.^! I actually like that idea too! Thanks ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by Fensfield
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10-02-2011, 08:51 PMRinsuiLike, you want to speculate, but when other people base their speculations on what they know, you don't like it?Quote:
I mean Yes I am getting some interpretations but they are more directed to my posts when I just want people to post their own ideas without argueing over other's interpertations.
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10-02-2011, 08:54 PMXmbeiread the rest of the posts -.-;;;; I had stated I want peoples opinions not to just jump on other peoples they can say yes i like it or don't like it.... but don't go into picking the persons interpretation apart just say if you like it or not and then give yours, that is what I was asking... Maybe I am wording it wrong, I just don't want drama over people's own interpretations.Quote:
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edit: heck if you actually read fenwicks last post and my response I said "oh thats cool thanks that is what I was asking for that is pretty cool interpretation of the events" -.- why do people just always want to start arguements? -
10-05-2011, 03:13 AMFensfieldFenwick ... XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei