Red Scrips

Maybe I misunderstood the whole point of scrips. I thought it was supposed to be an alternate method of getting gathering and crafting gear (while saving Gil) but the fact that it takes 8-9 weeks just to gear one class seems a bit ridicules to me.

I also find it odd that it takes scrips to get the mats necessary to craft the normal gear anyway so most people that plan on leveling most if not all of their crafting and gathering classes will spend it on materials. I mean, to me it looks like another wall they put up on crafting and gathering when I thought the whole point was to make it easier for the average Joe crafter/gatherer to get to that point where they can make the stuff they want to make.

tl,dr
Scrips are used for favors to collect materials and not for actual gear progression.

I personally think it's good. Theoretically it should allow more people to make money on stuff as theres a limit as to how much people can gather or make. Since there isn't an unlimited supply of 1 and 2 star mats. Whether or not it works we have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Theoretically it should allow more people to make money on stuff as theres a limit as to how much people can gather or make. Since there isn't an unlimited supply of 1 and 2 star mats. Whether or not it works we have to wait and see.

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I can't speak from experience and I know the intent of crafted gear was never meant to be as good as raid gear but I've been seeing words like, "useless" and "pointless" being tossed around to describe current high level crafted Disciples of War and Magic gear. All because of the effort needed to get them crafted because of that restriction to scrips. You need people to buy the stuff otherwise there isn't any money being made.

Well, the problem with Red Scrips is twofold. First there is the problem that the gear you trade the scrip tokens for directly is beyond worse than the gear you obtain through crafting it yourself. Secondly, the gear you craft yourself costs more time and effort than the traded gear, so much time and effort that people are estimating the gear is worth millions upon millions of gil before even beginning to meld it simply due the time sink. The idea originally was that hardcore crafters could do things "quick and dirty" while casuals could do things slower but with assured results, what ended up happening is that hardcore crafters can do things "horribly long and grindy with no end goal" and casual crafters can do things "horribly longer and less grindy with no end goal."

So who else is ready to spend another exciting 24+ hours of running around in circles of mindless gathering after reset tonight? I know I am, because the only thing running through my mind is, "Kill me now."

I have spent a lot of time looking at both the crafting and gathering red scripts over the passed few days. The gathers have it the worst, hours of running in circles to get 2 or 3 of the 20 items needed for 1 crafting item. The last beast tribe in 2.0 was boring but do able to get crafting mats. Placing the mats for the i110 DoW/DoM gear in coil was a slick move in my opinion. I was hoping they would continue that in 3.0. At this time I see little point in crafting. On the flip side this system is so bad in my opinion it has given me motivation to unplug from the game and go back to something more productive and fun, killing zombies in Black Ops. Way to kill crafting SE.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

So who else is ready to spend another exciting 24+ hours of running around in circles of mindless gathering after reset tonight? I know I am, because the only thing running through my mind is, "Kill me now."

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dont worry you have until thursday before you have to do it again. Red scrips apparently reset on thursday

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I personally think it's good. Theoretically it should allow more people to make money on stuff as theres a limit as to how much people can gather or make. Since there isn't an unlimited supply of 1 and 2 star mats. Whether or not it works we have to wait and see.

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First of all 1 stars are unlimited mat-wise. Secondly you can't make money from 2 stars because you'll have to sell these at 100 million+ each as that is the minimum they are worth in time and effort.

Therefore there is no money to be made.

Red scrips is the Esoterics of the Land/Hand.

Personally... I really like it. I like that we get ''AF2'' for them as well as the fact it costs me 0 gil to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

dont worry you have until thursday before you have to do it again. Red scrips apparently reset on thursday

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Correct.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

Red scrips is the Esoterics of the Land/Hand.

Personally... I really like it. I like that we get ''AF2'' for them as well as the fact it costs me 0 gil to obtain.

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That's funny, here I thought it took over 1 million Gil for the lowest cost red scrip gear. Unless you tell me you're going to farm all the mats to cap your red scrips? That is possible right? I mean if you play 10 hours a day and do nothing but gather then it's certainly possible. Otherwise, not a chance.

None of the gear is free. You either have to sell your soul and become a gathering drone for endless hours or spend lots of Gil.

Well, anyway, see you at Christmas 2016 after you've spent 100 million Gil and finally got all your weak red scrip gear.

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

That's funny, here I thought it took over 1 million Gil for the lowest cost red scrip gear. Unless you tell me you're going to farm all the mats to cap your red scrips? That is possible right? I mean if you play 10 hours and day and do nothing but gather then it's certainly possible. Otherwise, not a chance.

None of the gear is free. You either have to sell your soul and become a gathering drone for endless hours or spend lots of Gil.

Well, anyway, see you at Christmas 2016 after you've spent 100 million Gil and finally got all your weak red scrip gear.

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I farmed my job to 60 for free.... in fact it paid me a lot of gil between leves and quests.

My retainer and I combined gathered all mats needed to make my lvl 60 gear (I have 1 lvl 60 retainer)... I had a couple of dear FC mates craft my lvl 60 gathering gear and tools... the only thing I didn't have was HQ Adamanite nuggets but i got a few from a Dragonskin map so that saved me from buying them on the MB.

I already had 5 perception III materias and a CP+3 materia so I asked them nicely to meld them on for me.

This gives me the perfect stats for red scrip items. I capped my red scrip farm on botanist only. you need 450/8 = 57 items. I get 2-4 items a node so at the very most I need to visit the Cysahl node 28 times in an entire week of play to cap.

^^;;;; I am the type of person who is happy to wait for the things I need (Gathering it all myself)

To be honest, I thought you meant crafting scrips which are as my post states.

Though please do give favor nodes a go. Try and see if you can keep your sanity after 11 hours of hardcore gathering that relies 100% on RNG.

Anyway, the system is utter garbage - that's absolutely the community's stance, so let's hope for some changes real soon.

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

To be honest, I thought you meant crafting scrips which are as my post states.

Anyway, the system is utter garbage - that's absolutely the community's stance, so let's hope for some changes real soon.

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Ah, when you mentioned Gatherer I just ran with it.
Personally I think the crafter red scrip system is too harsh, which is why I am not participating.

Actually I have not been a 'crafter' since Lucis because I think its very monotonous and offers no reward because all the nice things to craft at the very top end require materials that are often obtained through RNG only.

The problem with crafting is that progression is effectively dead until changes are made to this new system, but beyond that there's the fact that we have nothing to craft anyway. 3.05 gave us 2 new housing items and various gear sets, including outdated i180 gear which uses the exact same model as the i160 version.

Indeed, the problem with crafting is that you grind more the any raider but get absolutely nothing in return since everything is effectively useless.

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

dont worry you have until thursday before you have to do it again. Red scrips apparently reset on thursday

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THANK THE LORD! i was so worried trying to get everything done!

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Originally Posted by MiniPrinny

Well, the problem with Red Scrips is twofold. First there is the problem that the gear you trade the scrip tokens for directly is beyond worse than the gear you obtain through crafting it yourself.

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Red Scrips gear is actually really good and only beaten by hq crafted with melds.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Red Scrips gear is actually really good and only beaten by hq crafted with melds.

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Actually is not really good, nor is HQ melded.

Both are doomed to become obsolete by 3.1, that is, 2-3 months from here. By then, most people will only have 1 or 2 pieces of i170 or crafted i180, which will either take this stupid nonsensical progression or the gil sink only a few ones can take. So no, they are not worth even be gotten as they are now. Even if by 3.1 they just add more 2 star recipes and save the 3-star/artisan set for 3.2, you already can get the stats to craft anything with just the i150 (chimerical) so, the worse part of all the red scrip stupid system is that is not even usefull.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Red Scrips gear is actually really good and only beaten by hq crafted with melds.

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Red Script reward gear is better than entry level 60, not as good as red scrip mat, crafted gear.
The problem I see is the gate to red script requires you be able to make the entry level 60 blind folded, as such make the red script mat gear.

The way they engineered it with lock outs, any one who is collecting red scripts can by default ignore the turn in gear. If there had been lower criteria to get red scripts, there might be a desire to take the 'easy out' and accept the reward stuff. That's not the case.

2 bad u need all those red scrips from both gather/crafter x months for a 1x set for 1/14 classes or w/e

Are you for real?

Look man, here's the deal... This is an mmo.
Every single thing they do is to draw out the amount of time it takes to do, well everything, to the point of insanity..

Everyone is running around complaining about red scripts, why'd they do it, can't understand.

Lmao, their entire motivation behind every single function in this game is "how can we make this take longer?"

Is ridiculous, the hole point was to make crafting more friendly, instead it made it so much more complicated, I just wanna quit crafting altogether. GG SE.

And as crafting falls gathering is soon to follow

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

The problem with crafting is that progression is effectively dead until changes are made to this new system, but beyond that there's the fact that we have nothing to craft anyway. 3.05 gave us 2 new housing items and various gear sets, including outdated i180 gear which uses the exact same model as the i160 version.

Indeed, the problem with crafting is that you grind more the any raider but get absolutely nothing in return since everything is effectively useless.

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glamour items are now and always have been my money maker. Just like in the real world people will pay good money for rare pretty items.