which eso piece you all getting first?

look at those parry!!! get it off!

Weapon first. No contest.

The weapon? I'm pretty sure that's standard.
Or do you just mean armor? Haven't decided yet.
Wouldn't plan it yet since that's 2 weeks away and would depend on drops from Savage as well.

Chests in particular are usually at the end of the raid, so that's probably after the weapon.

I'll actually probably get Chest first, then weapon next (as a paladin the weapon will only take me 2 weeks).

The weapon would be replacing an i190 Ravana weapon, whereas the chest is replacing an i180 chest (Alex one is pretty meh so will combo eso chest with Alex normal legs). The weapon will still give a bit more threat/damage of course, but given the weighting I saw that 1 weapon damage is about the same as 8 in a primary stat, you're getting 2 weapon damage going from i180 to i200 just via the strength on the Chest, so the damage increase isnt as significant as you'd think. Also the Esoterics sword is slower than the Ravana so doesnt perform quite as well in sword oath.

Usually I'd go with the weapon anyway as it IS a bit more damage/threat for a 10 ilevel upgrade than 20 on the chest, but given the size of the tankbuster in A1S and the sheer damage of A2S, I think I'd rather have two weeks of being sturdier from the chest and delay the sword.

Weapon is the best choice, doesn't matter what job you are.

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Originally Posted by Sapphidia

I'll actually probably get Chest first, then weapon next (as a paladin the weapon will only take me 2 weeks).

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You are severely overestimating how much of a defensive boost the body will be.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

You are severely overestimating how much of a defensive boost the body will be.

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Not especially, just weighing up the value of replacing a Ravana Sword with the Esoterics one vs the Asuran Chest with Esoterics. If anything, if the values I've read are correct, some people are overestimating the effect of the weapon.

Going from Ravana Sword (i190) to Antequated Hauteclair (i200) you gain: +2 Weapon Damage, +6 Str, +8 Vitality, +6 Det and swap 41 skillspeed into 46 parry.

Going from Asuran Chest (i180) to Antequated Creed Chest (i200) you gain: +15 Str, +19 Vit, 14 Acc, 64 defense and swap 48 skillspeed for 60 Parry.

From what i've read of preliminary testing, Weapon Damage is about the same as 8 of a primary stat, so you can roughly equate the +2 Weapon damage with +16 strength, and the 6 det is just under 1 str. Ignoring the swap of skillspeed to parry on both, your rough decision is thus (+23 Str and +8 Vit) for the sword vs (+15 Str, +19 Vit, 64 Def, +14 Acc) for the chest. Thus the choice is really +8 Str vs +11 Vit and 64 Def (assuming the 1 weapon damage = 8 Str estimate is correct).

Given how nice a little extra Vit can be in the early Alex Savage floors, I'd probably prefer the +11 Vit and 64 Def the chest replacement gives over the roughly 8 Str extra the Sword upgrade would give. If I already had the Alex i190 chest then weapon would be a no brainer first choice, but when you look at the numbers like that they're both very similar. You gain a fair threat/damage boost from the chest, not enough to beat the weapon but still a reasonable amount.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the TLDR is that replacing Ravana Sword with Eso sword vs Asuran Chest with Creed Chest is a decision of whether you want about 8 Strength or 11 Vitality with some free extra Def and Acc. Both are decent upgrades, there's less difference between them than people might think.

Or you can wait another 2-4 weeks, get the 190 Alex body, and not waste your first tomes on a marginal upgrade.

Also "a little extra VIT" is basically nothing.

For PLD,

The weapon is 2 weapon damage, 6 str, 8 vit, 6 det
2 weapon damage = ~18 str.

Going from i180 chest to i200 chest gives you 15 strength, 19 vit, 64 def / mdef.

I don't know the mitigation the def will give you but 11 vit and the ~160 hp that gives you isn't going to save you from anything.

With how bad PLD's enmity generation currenty is, you need all the help you can get. So the weapon will not only add what it inherently does to your DPS, it will also allow you to Royal Authority more.

Imma get a big bad axe.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

For PLD,

The weapon is 2 weapon damage, 6 str, 8 vit, 6 det
2 weapon damage = ~18 str.

Going from i180 chest to i200 chest gives you 15 strength, 19 vit, 64 def / mdef.

I don't know the mitigation the def will give you but 11 vit and the ~160 hp that gives you isn't going to save you from anything.

With how bad PLD's enmity generation currenty is, you need all the help you can get. So the weapon will not only add what it inherently does to your DPS, it will also allow you to Royal Authority more.

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I don't know how the rest of his gear looks like, but picking chest first will allow you to swap one fending accessory for slaying sooner while still maintaining HP level you are comfortable with. I will go for chest first, people will get their esoterics weapon after 3 weeks, while I get it after 4 weeks, so thats one tough week fighting for aggro, I think I can live with that :)

I'll be getting the paladin weapon. 60 DRK at present, but levelling and focusing on PLD for endgame.

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Originally Posted by Dynalon

I don't know how the rest of his gear looks like, but picking chest first will allow you to swap one fending accessory for slaying sooner while still maintaining HP level you are comfortable with. I will go for chest first, people will get their esoterics weapon after 3 weeks, while I get it after 4 weeks, so thats one tough week fighting for aggro, I think I can live with that :)

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Esoteric weapon (74 wd, 72 str, 75 vit) + i180 Chest (78 str, 78 vit) + i190 accessory (40 vit) or i190 accessory (40 str)
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Ravana weapon (72 wd, 66 str, 67 vit) + Esoteric Chest (93 str, 97 vit) + i190 accessory (40 vit) or i190 accessory (40 str)

You are looking at 168 str, 193 vit or 208 str, 153 vit vs. 199 str, 163 vit or 159 str, 203 vit

Basically, it's a wash but you get more top-end str and flexibility with the weapon purchase.

Also, in 2 more weeks, with a chest purchase, you will be locked into buying the weapon. With a weapon purchase, you can upgrade 2 pieces of your other gear while picking up the i190 chest (even though the secondaries are garbage). So, the overall gear growth is far superior.

If you aren't looking to help your progression in the short term, then it doesn't matter. Otherwise, it's simply the wrong choice.

IMA GET THAT BIG ASS GREATSWORD

DRK Body! Gotta look good in raid yo! Weapon can come later :P

weapon of course

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Originally Posted by Awful

Weapon first. No contest.

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This, no matter what job you're on imo. Plus the axe looks cool AF.

Weapon Damage formulas were previously based on stat weights back in 2.XX
Weapon damage is no longer 1-7 like it used to be...
On my Paladin, I would out DPS a monk by 300 just by having my law weapon over the monks green 160 weapon. Only took him the law weapon to come even with me again.
I believe weapon damage is used as the base multiplier that the strength is weighted into for our damage output, so Weapon Damage is FAR more heavy this time around in the level 60 Era.

Based on that I was noticing, 2 weapon damage is more closely equal to 40 strength, possibly even 50. (20-25 each)

If you are not getting your weapon, no matter what, you are making the wrong choice. (Especially paladins!)

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

Based on that I was noticing, 2 weapon damage is more closely equal to 40 strength, possibly even 50. (20-25 each)

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See, this is the key. If this IS the case (and it may be) then yes, the Weapon is 100% the only choice regardless of class. A value I saw quoted before had 1 weapon damage equal to a bit over 8 strength, and if THAT'S the case then Weapon vs Chest (assuming 190 weapon 180 chest) is more of a 8-10 str vs 11 Vit difference. Basically less difference than choosing to wear a slaying or fending item in one slot.

It's all about the exact weighting of Weapon Damage and sadly it's a bit shrouded right now. Certainly weapon first anyway is at worst going to be an equivalent choice, or else strictly better. The main advocacy for Chest first depends on how an individual has ended up with Alex drops and how viable the alex chest is in the first week or so. I imagine most tanks have full i190 in every slot bar one or two. With two springs next week I'll be full i190 bar chest, which will take 2 weeks more to get, so regardless of whether i went Sword or Chest first I'd have to get the other one in the week after as I'm stuck with a 180 chest for the duration.

I'll likely get sword first anyway in the event that the weapon damage weightings are more heavily weighted now, but I still hold that in the event that Weapon Damage is an equivalent dps increase to about 8 str then the Weapon or Chest first argument (for paladin alone) is more personal choice than clear cut as the two upgrades are near identical.

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Originally Posted by Sapphidia

I'll likely get sword first anyway in the event that the weapon damage weightings are more heavily weighted now, but I still hold that in the event that Weapon Damage is an equivalent dps increase to about 8 str then the Weapon or Chest first argument (for paladin alone) is more personal choice than clear cut as the two upgrades are near identical.

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It's sad, but not getting the 190 chest by tomorrow was a horrible uninformed decision as a tank. (Not anyone's fault, but I made sure to plan it all out. I'll be full 190 - the gloves tomorrow, and then I can grab those the following week)
The ting is, for Paladin, the shield is not such a big deal from Esoterics, however the sword being cheaper is an amazing boost to what you can get the following week, while still benefitting from the +2 weapon damage. It's absolutely imperative for paladins who are in Savage to get that weapon. =P
If your doing casual content though, then it's all about style, since were not going to make or break any Esoteric farming runs by this point, with gear being what it is.

Just trust in weapon damage, it's always been the absolute panultimate choice in this game. Not to mention it IS giving you as a paladin (Talking shield here) potentially more armor and Mdef.

Well I wouldnt call it uninformed. It was a choice to ignore the chest. You had two ways of grinding the alex drops - it depends where you want your "item spike" to be. Hands, Chest and Pants all come from 3 and 4, so you either get hands week 1 and then wait 4 weeks with nothing and get pants/chest together, or you get hands week 1, Pants week 3 (ready for alex savage), and have two weeks being stronger but delay the chest until week 7 (or never buy chest and get the eso).

Getting 4 Shafts is fine, but you delay other items so are slightly less powerful in the first couple of weeks. The chest has garbage stats on it so I'm not unhappy - in 3 weeks anyway I'll have weapon + Eso Chest + full i190, it just means I had a stronger opening week but a slightly weaker midweek spike! It also means when I get the 190 chest in a few weeks I can use it on my scholar >_>

But yeah I'll probably buy the sword anyway and actually use the purchase to check on parses how much it boosts me. We're making great progress on A1S and I -can- survive the tank busters fine so I guess it's better to focus on hitting the 8:40 enrage.

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The secondary stat weights ATM, are totally insane. Almost to the point where I would nearly ignore them. (NEARLY!*)
People are reporting Determination to be 72 for a 1.5 DPS increase... Though I'm not sure on this one at all.
Crit has been found out to be 43 points to 1% crit chance, and 1% crit damage. (All points from gear)
and Parry has also been figured out to where the best possible set (i210) gives you a 29% parry chance, @20% damage per hit mitigated. (I calculated this to be a 7% physical damage reduction over time set) Still not worth it to matter... >.>

However what this means for right now is that the i190 gear is senseless in "statting" for, when you look at the significantly more than 10 ilvl boost to primary stats they give over law gear.
Then Alex Savage being a very gear check fight says you would want the strongest 190 pieces asap, with all others being so easy to grab. I just got my gear 1 token per week in each left side piece. So my items ramp up each week, with tomorrow being my spike, and full 190 before any Eso gear. 1/2/2/4/3*

Page3 and nobody has mentioned the delay is lower on Ravana sword!

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Page3 and nobody has mentioned the delay is lower on Ravana sword!

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ermahgerd!

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Page3 and nobody has mentioned the delay is lower on Ravana sword!

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But lower delay means less TP gain per hit, and... Oh wait, this is XIV. Weapons have delays here?

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

But lower delay means less TP gain per hit, and... Oh wait, this is XIV. Weapons have delays here?

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They do when there are 2 per ilvl and have the same weapon damage. =P This only applies to Sword Oath DPS though.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

But lower delay means less TP gain per hit, and... Oh wait, this is XIV. Weapons have delays here?

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Weapon delay is a big deal for PLDs. (and BRD still???) Lower delay = more AAs = large sword oath advantage.

Weapon, this isn't even a real question.

Weapon then belt then chest.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Weapon then belt then chest.

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Basically this ^

Someone has figured out the math for the most efficient route of getting all upgrades. Doing this allows you to get 3 left side upgrades in 5 weeks. I'll have to post the link when I get home but basically

Week 3 = Weapon
Week 4 = Belt
Week 5 = Chest

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Originally Posted by Nabian

Basically this ^

Someone has figured out the math for the most efficient route of getting all upgrades. Doing this allows you to get 3 left side upgrades in 5 weeks. I'll have to post the link when I get home but basically

Week 3 = Weapon
Week 4 = Belt
Week 5 = Chest

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PLD;

Week 1: 450
Week 2: 900 - 695 sword
Week 3: 655 - 295 Shield
Week 4: 810 - 375 belt
Week 5: 885 - 825 body
Week 6: 510 - 495 head


The only catch would be if you are lucky and get i210 belt from AlexS. Then you can save up towards legs or get a slaying accessory.

My DRK greatsword. It looks badass cool, is quite stronger than my current ilv 180 sword and fits very well with my current silver/gold outfit. Also... it glow when drawn! x_X

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Originally Posted by Valenth

My DRK greatsword. It looks badass cool, is quite stronger than my current ilv 180 sword and fits very well with my current silver/gold outfit. Also... it glow when drawn! x_X

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The NQ glows?

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

The NQ glows?

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It would seem that way. It doesn't glow the same as say a relic would glow, the detail lines within the sword glow white (iirc). I only briefly looked at it when using "try on" from vendor so I can't say for certain.

Yes Deathbringer has a little white glow on the inner lines of the blade when unsheathed.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...athbringer.png

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Originally Posted by Freyyy

Yes Deathbringer has a little white glow on the inner lines of the blade when unsheathed.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...athbringer.png

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the glow actually changes color its not 1 solid glow its like the sword that sid has in the class quests where when drawn is constantly changing color...

Yeah it goes white, light blue, light pink/purple, but it's in the "white" range.

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Originally Posted by Nabian

Basically this ^

Someone has figured out the math for the most efficient route of getting all upgrades. Doing this allows you to get 3 left side upgrades in 5 weeks. I'll have to post the link when I get home but basically

Week 3 = Weapon
Week 4 = Belt
Week 5 = Chest

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Do you mean this one?
http://i.imgur.com/O29JcVX.png

I'm getting the DRG Helmet.

Ninja chest next week <3