Thinking of starting tanking

I main NIN and was looking at leveling another DPS but recently the long queue times and the thought of just doing everything again to see a marginal increase from another DPS class put me off.
So I was thinking of learning tanking ive never played a tank before and was looking at a warrior to start learning with?
I was just wondering if they are good tanks, easy to learn with? How is tanking is this game? Ive just recently unlocked heavensward im yet to unlock and learn any mechanics in the new dungeons.

Thanks for any help!

WAR's pretty kickass tank right now, especially if you're accustomed to DPS. You will need GLA to 22 for Provoke, though. It's not really optional.

Healers are in higher demand than tanks at the moment if you're eyeing queue times.

WAR are in a really good place right now. I would suggest taking GLD to 34 though, Awareness + Raw Intuition is pure WIN.

PLD is abit easier to tank on though, so if your not too confident about tanking may wanna take a look at that. DRK has high DPS too for a tank, although my DRK is only 53 I cant speak for them at 60, just feels kinda lacking to me atm @53, Will push through and level it to 60 though and see how I feel then. Mostly I play WAR atm though, the stance changing is nice and has a fluid feel to it.

Queue times are pretty good for tank atm but the above poster is right, you'll be waiting on healers some atm. No where near as bad as DPS queues tho :)

As PWilson mentioned, you need provoke. So IMO start with GLA. WARs are really fun though!

I want to mention though, if your just starting out, you are going to make mistakes that you and everyone else in the party will be immediately aware of, and of course the Internet will provide you with d-bags occasionally.its just kinda the way it is. Keep at it though, it is worth it in the end.

I kinda feel like I waited too late to start tanking. content less than Heavensward kinda has no room for "learners". I grouped with people in DF (since PF is all about that Heavensward) who are Lv60 (I'm still Lv50) that wouldn't really let me "learn" to tank T11 and Shiva Ex (I was choosing random duties).

I feel I need the practice now, or I'll stink it up in Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Akei

WAR are in a really good place right now. I would suggest taking GLD to 34 though, Awareness + Raw Intuition is pure WIN.

PLD is abit easier to tank on though, so if your not too confident about tanking may wanna take a look at that. DRK has high DPS too for a tank, although my DRK is only 53 I cant speak for them at 60, just feels kinda lacking to me atm @53, Will push through and level it to 60 though and see how I feel then. Mostly I play WAR atm though, the stance changing is nice and has a fluid feel to it.

Queue times are pretty good for tank atm but the above poster is right, you'll be waiting on healers some atm. No where near as bad as DPS queues tho :)

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lol... I remember when no one wanted a WAR to tank, especially healers. Now, folks are saying PLDs need more/better stuff.

Well, once mitigation got evened out, and there is not a single fight balanced around needing paladin's mitigation (or really, any of their other tools), aside from LB issues and possibly debuff application, there is no reason not to bring the highest dps tank.

Which is why...the reasoning behind why pali is behind on dps makes me sad. PLD's loss of dps is way, way higher than the amount of dps a healer would gain from healing a marginally easier to heal tank.

Warrior is my favorite tank so far (without playing DK though). It is harder to be good at then PLD though so be prepared to put some time in to learn it properly.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Well, once mitigation got evened out, and there is not a single fight balanced around needing paladin's mitigation (or really, any of their other tools), aside from LB issues and possibly debuff application, there is no reason not to bring the highest dps tank.
Which is why...the reasoning behind why pali is behind on dps makes me sad. PLD's loss of dps is way, way higher than the amount of dps a healer would gain from healing a marginally easier to heal tank.

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Agreed. It is kinda sad how far behind warriors paladins are. But don't forget warriors have too much dps compared to paladins too little so it looks worse. As it stands, a war offtank can outdps dpsers, which needs to be toned down significantly as im seeing them fill dps slots in pf groups. even in my full str set, a comparable geared warrior has 400 dps over me.

Cannot wait to get to 60 and Triple Fell Cleave...

OP the reason everyone says get Provoke is because it will put you at the top of the enmity list immediately, even if you're somehow number 3 or 4. But you have to, I mean have to follow it up with an attack that generates enmity ASAP, or you will lose aggro again quickly. It really isn't 'optional'.

How do warrior and dark knight compare? I don't know much about either and the only thing putting me off warrior is that 1-30 fates seem dead now so it would be a pain to level!

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Originally Posted by Mantra

How do warrior and dark knight compare? I don't know much about either and the only thing putting me off warrior is that 1-30 fates seem dead now so it would be a pain to level!

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Very different playstyles. Other than that, DRK is very similar to PLD in terms of mitigation (mitigation options, that is) but magic focused, WAR has a stacking resource called wrath/abandon that is used for both their mitigation and damage burst.

DRK is all about managing your mana and using a plethora of oGCD abilities. WAR is all about big burst and timing your inner beast for mitigation/healing.

WAR brings a universal damage down (ridiculously good), and slashing debuff (ridiculously good), DRK brings int down, and if MT can bring a damage down (good, but basically DRK is just as much a MT as a PLD).

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Very different playstyles. Other than that, DRK is very similar to PLD in terms of mitigation (mitigation options, that is) but magic focused, WAR has a stacking resource called wrath/abandon that is used for both their mitigation and damage burst.

DRK is all about managing your mana and using a plethora of oGCD abilities. WAR is all about big burst and timing your inner beast for mitigation/healing.

WAR brings a universal damage down (ridiculously good), and slashing debuff (ridiculously good), DRK brings int down, and if MT can bring a damage down (good, but basically DRK is just as much a MT as a PLD).

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Damn thats a shame, everything to do with warrior makes me want to play it apart from what the class actually is! I like looks and story etc and the dark knight armor and the idea of it and the story thus far seems really good. I dont really know anything about the warrior or its story or armors, might have to a look at it later on.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Mantra

How do warrior and dark knight compare? I don't know much about either and the only thing putting me off warrior is that 1-30 fates seem dead now so it would be a pain to level!

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It's actually more time efficient to run dungeons until about level 45 or so. At least, I always found it so. I've tried levelling in parallel with another FC member, and I dungeon'd while they FATE'd, and I levelled much faster, even without the daily bonuses. Probably about 20% at a ballpark?
It's also good practice, especially for tanks and healers. Just the first few levels until you can run Satasha sucks, though the very first few you can just whip through beating on the noob gardens.

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Originally Posted by Mantra

How do warrior and dark knight compare? I don't know much about either and the only thing putting me off warrior is that 1-30 fates seem dead now so it would be a pain to level!

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I did WAR 15-30 with a mix of dungeons and fates.

I prefer warrior over paladin and now I think I like dark knight over warrior. It feels like dark knight combines what I do like about paladin with what I like about warrior to make an interesting playstyle. I have been leveling up multiple jobs so I've only got dark knight to 40 but I have done most of it through dungeons. Leveling roulette every day usually gets me a level and a half, and then I've run the highest level dungeon available for extra XP. The good thing about leveling DRK right now is that people are going in with low expectations when they see DRK so if you mess up a bit they seem to be a little more forgiving.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

OP the reason everyone says get Provoke is because it will put you at the top of the enmity list immediately, even if you're somehow number 3 or 4. But you have to, I mean have to follow it up with an attack that generates enmity ASAP, or you will lose aggro again quickly. It really isn't 'optional'.

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Another good example is that if you die, you will never catch up in threat to another tank.
So If you need to pull the boss off the other tank, before 5 stacks of X kills them, you HAVE to use provoke. It's 100% impossible to ever catch up, the GCD will always keep you behind them by 2-5mins worth of attacks.

Provoke is taunt. If you don't have it. You aren't a real tank. No need for stories or situational of using it. Taunt is required. Period.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

Provoke is taunt. If you don't have it. You aren't a real tank. No need for stories or situational of using it. Taunt is required. Period.

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Skull Sunder generates threat and does dmg, PLD MUST have it.

The reason we give situational examples, is to show WHY it's important.

There's a LOT of bad advice given, and being told to "just listen, because I said so" can lead to someone who plays incorrectly, because they picked the wrong person to blindly follow.