Did this get nerfed again?
・The effect of enhanced attack power granted by certain statuses will be shared across the number of arrows nocked.
To me this means the following:
In the old system, Raging Strike gives 100 attack power (for this example).
I nock 3 arrows, each arrow gets 100 attack power for a total of 300 attack power.
In the new system, Raging Strike gives 100 attack power.
I nock 3 arrows, each arrow gets 33.3 (repeating of course) attack power for a total of 99.9 (or 100) attack power.
Is it just me or is that how it is?
1.19 multishot
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10-01-2011, 05:02 AMAelphais1.19 multishot
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10-01-2011, 05:04 AMShyd
Yea sounds like it.
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10-01-2011, 06:00 AMViridiana
Took me about five readings to come to that same conclusion. I'm guessing this means we'll either save our buffs for something else, or use them as we get them. Should be interesting. . .
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10-01-2011, 10:00 PMAlcide
Sounds fair to me.
I enjoyed doing massive damage with my archer and the whole multishot rotation pattern was fun, but there's something wrong in Light Shot being the strongest skill in game ^^' -
10-02-2011, 01:15 AMUriko
If this is the case, what skills would you recommend using Raging/Ferocity on for the best effect? Obviously Foeseeker is great if you have nocked arrows, but what else? I think most of us expected that a nerf was coming though.
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10-02-2011, 01:18 AMPrettyPrincess
Finally. I dont see a problem with this. Archer is still OP even after 1.18
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10-02-2011, 01:20 AMBetelgeuzah
It's funny. Usually nerfs stir up forums for weeks.
Maybe that will be reserved for Tuesday. -
10-02-2011, 01:46 AMAgoven
I'm an archer and I'm fine with a nerf. I mean I use a rank/level 35 weapon and still do more damage and take aggro over others with all rank/level 50 gear...so a nerf is fine.
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10-02-2011, 02:33 AMKliveI agree completely. I may not have an archer but my wife does and her damage is ridiculous compared to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
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10-02-2011, 02:38 AMLienn
I would rather other classes being boosted instead of ARC being nerfed...
Still, it's understandable when you think it will become BRD...i could already see people stacking multishot, raging and the attack/STR songs and raping mobs even harder than ARCs do now. -
10-02-2011, 02:42 AMRathSkybreaker
Yes i'm ok with a nerf honestly out dpsing every job is nice, but as a lancer also, its ridiculous..
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10-02-2011, 02:48 AMBetelgeuzah
people are gonna be so confused when we have both classes and jobs and will mix them up all the time
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10-02-2011, 06:53 PMTakinagi
First of all I love my Archer but really....up the nerfing SE or atleast give a boost to all the other DoW. My archer even with a nerf on multishot will still destroy my lancer.
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10-02-2011, 09:43 PMTheonate
I'd rather have them do "baby steps" with thier nerfs than bring down the hammer all at once. It was painfully obvious Arc is way ahead of everyone in terms of dmg. Hopefully with stats being fixed with the patch that will help everyone too.
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10-03-2011, 02:15 AMMurugan
The top archer damage I have seen personally was ~33 DPS w/o BR (questionable accuracy due to how log works but good enough for comparison between classes) whereas the top non-archer DD DPS were between 20-25.
With Light shot comprising the bulk of our damage, and a significant portion of our lightshot damage even in Carroway's Light Shot spam efficiency method coming from buffed multi's/trifurcates so this could actually balance us with other DD just fine (archer will likely still be top damage, and safe damage on top of that but lacks the utility being given to Lancer/Pugilist/MRD in 1.19).
As for what to use buffs on that depends if they change the way damage works overall with all this stat re-balancing they are doing, maybe multihit TP skills like Quick Knock/Barrage will be a better option for use with buffs than they are currently. Multi/Trifurcate may be relegated to the role of TP building and the bulk of our damage may be less in light shot and more evenly distributed through our abilities like other melee DD. -
10-03-2011, 03:18 AMAelphais
Not related to the 1.19 multishot changes but I'm not sure why you guys are complaining that Lancer gets out DPSed by Archer. Aside from DPS, Lancer has a number of support skills. Buffing allies and debilitating enemies. Archer only has damage skills. If you take away Archer's damage what are we supposed to do?
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10-03-2011, 03:28 AMTheonatelol Bard >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Aelphais
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10-03-2011, 03:40 AMAelphaisOh yeah. Don't remind me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theonate
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10-03-2011, 04:23 AMUriko
It'd be nice to use skills like Barrage more (although PLEASE fix Quick Nock's aggro range, I sometimes hit enemies I can't even see). I've been trying to adjust my playstyle to use Multi/Trifurcate with Light Shot to build TP, then use that TP on shots like Barrage and Foeseeker. Seems to work well enough but obviously makes progress slower than it is now. Still, I always found it stupid that Light Shot was our most damaging skill instead of something like Barrage...
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10-03-2011, 06:05 AMMuruganIn 1.18 those "support skills" didn't amount to much, hopefully in 1.19 on they will be a little more useful. However even if Archer were not DD kings they would still have the advantage of being able to do sustainable damage (no prohibitive MP cost) from a distance, and having the best native enmity reduction of any class. So they wouldn't be useless by any stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aelphais
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10-05-2011, 02:21 AMExni
Pretty big nerf to ARC's DPS, as a buffed multishot was BY FAR our best spike dmg. That should be more than enough to balance out with other DDs (not saying that our dmg should all be equal, but it should bring it within a reasonable difference). As an ARC, I'm cool w/ this.. but they shouldn't continue to nerf it down into oblivion.. I'd imagine other DD classes will likely get a nice boost in DPS from w/e job it becomes associated with.. while ARC is likely to lose practically all DPS as a DD when crossing into a BRD. The ARC class shouldn't lose much DPS because I'm thinking it will need to compete against the DD 'Jobs' down the line.
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10-05-2011, 02:28 AMelreedI agree with you, but i feel that they need to upgrade classes instead of nerfing, in other games if a class is too powerful they upgraded the other classes so at the end everyone was happy about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lienn
But yeah as bard archer will be most likely a very powerful class casting attack buffs and raping mobs for that. -
10-05-2011, 05:06 AMCoglinActually, I think your making this statement with little knowledge of what other games do. Because I have played ALOT of MMOs over the years, and your statement is pretty much off the mark. Generally the only time they buff other classes if they just raised a level cap. Otherwise they pretty much scale down a class that is that OP over the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by elreed
Its hard to tell how it will actually play out with the changes in how stats are supposed to effect us after the update though. -
10-06-2011, 07:41 AMLavaniIf you think about it carefully, when one class is more powerful than every other in the game, nerfing the one is really the best choice. If the developers decided to buff every class to match the one that is overpowered, any content in the game will be trivialized because the entire group as a whole is doing a lot more damage than intended. the only way to counter trivializing content is to make enemies stronger. Overall it is a lot more complicated than just saying, "why nerf me, buff everyone else".Quote:
Originally Posted by elreed
In most other games the same thing is done, if a class is significantly more powerful than the others it get's nerfed. The only time a class gets buffed is if it's significantly weaker than ALL of the other classes in comparison. -
10-09-2011, 01:37 AMDoctor_Jekyll
I think we will be ok.
Yoshi isn't going to cripple the only DD class that has to shoot gil at the enemy for damage.
We will still be at the top of the Melee DD heap, and there is nothing wrong with having to work a little to maintain excellence.
Now we can't just show up wearing basic gear with Warped arrows and expect to smash the thing for 1500 Damage at the drop of a hat.
Good Gear, Good Food, and skillful playing in exchange for a little damage nerf is fine with me. -
10-11-2011, 03:53 PMSpider-Dan
Sadly, buffed Multishot is still ARC's best damage option. Barrage fires 4 arrows, but even fully buffed Barrage arrows do less damage than unbuffed Multishot (definitely less per shot, probably even less total damage).
Bloodletter does pathetic initial damage now, and the fixed damage proc went from 500 to 372.
Foeseeker with nocked arrows does respectable damage (maybe a tad more than a fully landed Multishot), but you have to use up your arrows to do it, so it comes out behind, say, Multishot + Skull Sunder II (and you have 500 more TP if you do the latter).
The single biggest hit for ARC (besides the general damage reduction across the board) is the TP nerf on Multishot. Only 500 TP for a full set of arrows is crippling. -
10-11-2011, 11:39 PMTheonate
Currently my buffed barrage does more than my buffed Multishot. Foeseeker is definitely hitting harder.
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10-12-2011, 08:27 AMExniYeah buffed barrage has been about my best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theonate
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10-12-2011, 09:34 AMNexxus
Damage proc and also the proc itself, i tend to miss often the dot effect with my ws.
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10-13-2011, 11:45 PMExniYES! I thought it was just a fluke or sumthing at first, but for Bloodletter it seems much harder to get the DoT to proc. Trying to be at least somewhat viable in the Ifrit(hard) I tried to keep 100% uptime on the Bloodletter DoT while roating between buffed Barrages and the occasional nocked/buffed Foeseeker, but I literally would have to spam Bloodletter 4-6 times before it would proc most of the time, which killlllllllled my dps even more cuz Bloodletter actually hits for crap, and I'm burning thru my TP. Geezus they really burned ARC down hard.. This was no 'little nerf' as some people who obviously didn't play ARC much in this thread claimed in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxus
I was hoping for some 'fixes' in 1.19a tnite with regards to ARC.. but looks like we got nothing..
Side note: In another thread someone mentioned that we should stack Mag. Accuracy for the Bloodletter DoT to proc, anyone know if thers truth to that? -
10-14-2011, 12:00 AMTheonateI haven't done any testing, but it wouldnt surprise me. Remember Arc is going to unlock Brd, so we're going to get buffs/debuffs that we will want to stick. Looking at it that way, the random mnd and piety on rainmaker's and some other items arc can wear makes much more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exni
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10-14-2011, 02:05 AMJayvirDeforte
Personally, I've been using Foeseeker buffed up but only when I'm able to use Trifurcate to stack up the arrows. I steer away from Barrage just because of the enmity it generates. I mean, if you are solo thats cool, but I don't want to have to use Chameleon after every Barrage because I'm pulling the mob